Newbie Student Mafia XIII

On July 23 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:

Really though are you coaching this game ? I would love to have tips on townreading people.

On July 24 2015 03:54 Blazinghand wrote:
In newbie games like this especially, you can expect a more relaxed and friendly environment, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

On July 24 2015 18:50 ruXxar wrote:


I disagree. Weak argument.
His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself.

On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:


Obviously to get reactions from people?

And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post...

I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed.

And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well:
Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame.

Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people.

On July 24 2015 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:


Well I'm trying to see past the poetry and just look at the words he's using to describe people, although I see Damdred was able to get a read off ruxxar, my only hesitation with Damdred is when he says "tone and frequency" how is he so sure that ruXxar or anyone else isn't faking the tone with his poetry? I know the argument is made that mafia have hard time making reads but I thought from some of the games I've read before mafia can spam the thread too, so the frequency part of the argument doesn't make sense to me.

As for the disformation read, he is saying he waffles a lot which makes me hesistant to read him town, I don't know if he should be scum whether he's trying to make an excuse for himself early on but I need to read the rest of the thread.

On July 25 2015 02:34 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Sorry will tone down the curses.

On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

On July 25 2015 02:48 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy, you threw a lot of shit on me for not giving any reads.
Yet I can't find a single one of your reads besides me.
When are you going to contribute this game hmm?

What are your reads?

On July 25 2015 03:14 ruXxar wrote:


Where did he give his reads?

On July 25 2015 03:15 ruXxar wrote:
Either way I don't want inbetween lines.
I want an explicit list of reads.

On July 25 2015 03:17 Rels wrote:

No I think he's likely scum. But I gave him until tomorrow to post more stuff and convince me.

On July 25 2015 03:17 disformation wrote:
Where is barakos lying? I feel like I missed something.

On July 25 2015 03:23 disformation wrote:


You sound pretty confident/convinced. Let me look at his filter for a moment.

On July 25 2015 03:30 ruXxar wrote:


I thought that I remember at one point TL had a multiquote option.
Is that my mind playing tricks with me?

On July 25 2015 03:26 Rels wrote:
Because when he said his post was scummy it implied that he was starting to make good posts. Which I want to see so we have something to discuss and we don't lock an auto Lynch for 24 hours.

On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.

On July 25 2015 03:34 ruXxar wrote:
rayn rayn rayn

On July 25 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:


Are you mafia?

On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:

Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger.

On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:

So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so.

On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that?
And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there?

On July 25 2015 03:50 ruXxar wrote:


I don't think so yet, I'm asking you.

PS: where is the voting thread I can't find it.

On July 25 2015 03:52 ruXxar wrote:


I have to make sure. You're a sneaky guy.

On July 25 2015 03:59 Tictock wrote:


Ironic...

I will in due time.

On July 25 2015 04:15 ruXxar wrote:
He linked his own games and exposed his meta for all to see.
Mafia doesn't do that, they want to hide information about themselves, especially newbies.

On July 25 2015 04:18 ruXxar wrote:


Rayn give me juicy info desu.

On July 25 2015 04:37 ruXxar wrote:


He was town in both.
? The less attention they bring to evidence that show discrepancies between their current play as mafia and their play as town the better.

On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:
Most of my reads will have to come later tonight when I have decent time, besides much like reading tarot reading people can often be an interesting battle of interpretations. This causes the read to change and flow as new elements are discovered.

For now...


I find it very interesting that Rels decided to dedicate his entire opening to attack another players opening.

The entire time I was reading his idea about Noc giving us a forced opening post I'm thinking "what a forced read on someone this is"

Rels even mentions


But why does that not apply to his opening post as well?

On July 25 2015 04:42 ruXxar wrote:


zzz i hate comparing meta so I'm not going to do it.
It's the action itself that is towny, he opens himself to scrutiny.

On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:

Point 1 is useless.

On July 25 2015 04:46 Tictock wrote:


The point of tarot is not always what the card "means" but rather what the card "implies". The difference is that one is a wrote definition whereas the other is a subjective interpretation.

In other words, we can all use google to see what the card "means" but what I was interested was in what the card implies to you. Reactions to me asking you to read the card instead of the card itself are also valid ^.^



Possible.

I realize full well what I am doing.

On July 25 2015 04:45 Rels wrote:

I used vt to say townie.

On July 25 2015 04:51 Rels wrote:
Sorry to give so short answers but I'm with friends and I just check this topic from my phone when I can. I'll reread all tomorrow.

On July 25 2015 04:53 Tictock wrote:


Interesting you ignore that my post is regarding Rels and instead want me to discuss Noc...

For now I'm not certain of either, but they are far from my top scum atm. Consider them weak townreads for now...

Rayn on the other hand has a strong possibility of being mafia...

His pushiness and argumentative nature have been very telling to me. Especially when it seems a lot of his points of discussion were brought up by others...

On July 25 2015 04:58 ruXxar wrote:
Only reason rayn is scum here is for abusing town sentiment of bad barakos post to push a mis-lynch.
Otherwise I think rayn is town.

On July 25 2015 05:02 ruXxar wrote:


Don't you worry, moosy is my #1 mafia all day every day.

On July 25 2015 05:05 n00bKing wrote:

It's how a few of the veterans around here post sometimes. And Moosy has picked up some of the mannerisms and stylings of those players. Just because he now says something that sounds like "how you tend to post sometimes" doesn't mean it is anything like how he would have tended to post before he got here. You see the same thing when some of the Newbs will start playfully taunting one another and calling each other "bby" with winky faces. It's mimicry.

I don't think this makes Moosy more suspicious, because I've seen the same mimicry from him when he was Town. But don't let it make you think he is LESS suspicious, either.

On July 25 2015 05:06 ruXxar wrote:


I didn't say your case is bad, I haven't evaluated it yet.

And I don't like barakos posts at all tbh. I wouldn't be sad if he got lynched, but I think he's also an easy target if he's town.
I'll give you input on barakos when I've read your case.

On July 25 2015 05:09 ruXxar wrote:


Why moosy is scum:

On July 25 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:


Because it's logic.
What you say is not as important as what you do.
Putting things in context it's plausible that mafia want to push barakos for his bad post.
It's also possible that mafia aren't touching barakos with a 10 feet pole to draw suspicion to him and are trying to subtly defend him.

wow logic *mindexplosion.gif*

On July 25 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
You could be right rayn currently I want Barajas dead the most.

After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead

On July 25 2015 05:25 ruXxar wrote:


The issue is he tells breshke of all the expectations he has for me as town, and when I do all these "towny" things his reaction is "wtf" instead of "oh yeah that's town ruxx"

On July 25 2015 05:30 disformation wrote:


I second the question to Damdred.
Rayn why exactly do you think ticktoc is scum? I think I can guess, but I'd rather have you type it out in like 1-2 sentences or something.

On July 25 2015 05:31 n00bKing wrote:
More on the topic of Barakos:

It is definitely possible that Barakos is scum. If he's scum, then I want you (rayn) to be successful in this attempt to get him lynched. But for you to get him lynched, your reasoning has to be sound, or Barakos can CORRECTLY point out the flaws in your arguments. So you need to be fair here, and try to get him lynched for things that ACTUALLY happened, and not just say whatever you think makes him look the worst.

He didn't call you mafia in his reaction test. He said he disliked you for making an alibi post. And when someone quickly asked him point-blank about whether he meant that he just disliked the post in general, or if he thought the post was mafia-indicative, he said that he only disliked the post in general.

Even so, I agree with you that he should expect a reaction from you. That doesn't mean that he's intending to gauge your reaction though. Your inclusion in the post could just be so that he can get reactions from other players, regarding what he's said about you. If they haven't played with you before, that's not an obstacle. They can still have an impression of what the post would mean from most players, even if they aren't sure of what it would mean from you specifically. If he was intending to gauge your reaction, it is possible that he is still doing so. This is a simple and straightforward explanation for why he would not have reacted to your reaction yet, and I don't get why you've overlooked it.

As for why he would townread people for jumping all over his post (when you think it's something Mafia would definitely do) I can see a simple explanation for that too. Mafia might be wary of a trap/ruse. Town can just see a scummy post and say it's a scummy post. That's their job, so if they're just doing their job, they won't worry about the consequences. Mafia have a different job, and they have to balance "calling out a Town player for sounding scummy" (so that they can achieve mislynches) against the knowledge that if they can get the player lynched, they WILL flip Town. That's why scum players like to sheep arguments against Townies more than they like to MAKE arguments against Townies. It reduces accountability. So when Barakos (if he's Town) sees someone recklessly attack his post, he townreads them.

There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.

On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:

False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/

On July 25 2015 05:44 n00bKing wrote:

He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet.

Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at.

On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense.

So you say.

On July 25 2015 06:10 n00bKing wrote:

I didn't say he is suspicious, and I'm not trying to convince you (or anyone else) to vote for him. I only mean that you shouldn't take the phrasing he used to be Town-indicative. It seemed like you wanted to do that. Don't do that.

On July 25 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:
The fact this damdred is showing anger is a strong town tell for damdred IMO.

On July 25 2015 06:16 n00bKing wrote:

...really? You said "posting so I don't get modkilled." That's a throwaway post.

On July 25 2015 06:18 ruXxar wrote:


This post is what I call a display of negative emotions.
He did not do that once in our last game as scum from what I recall.

On July 25 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote:
Barakas is ny #1 lynch.

TT, Breske are on the next level also here is sulfur

Rels is also someone I'm really curious scum leaning on.

Really it's really to many people and I need to refine my list a bit.

On July 25 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:


A post that doesn't signal "I'm not gonna do shit this cycle?"

On July 25 2015 06:24 ruXxar wrote:


Your first post said that loud and clear, yes.

On July 25 2015 06:24 Damdred wrote:


I don't give a crap rayn, I think your town you thought I was town at some point I'm not interested in calling you bad. So just make your read

On July 25 2015 06:35 n00bKing wrote:

I can't tell what you're asking.

On July 25 2015 06:48 Damdred wrote:
And that's not,my meta lol

On July 25 2015 06:49 ruXxar wrote:


I didn't read any alignment from your first post at all, I just answered your question.

On July 25 2015 06:51 ruXxar wrote:


Stop pushing yourself into my scum list damdred.
Can you stop making posts in a tone like this.
My brain automatically thinks your tone is mafia.

On July 25 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:

Okay. I guess I don't see that read on you as being "wonky." It's just WEAK. So again, I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1.

On July 25 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:

I think rayn is the only one making a big deal over rayn's entry post. I don't think anyone disagrees that it was NAI. There just also shouldn't be anyone who disagrees that it's a throwaway post. *shrug*

On July 25 2015 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean, and this is to ruxxar aswell, whatever i do post as my first post (unless claim something), how is that alignment indicative - or how is that not considered anything but a "throwaway post" (which you should not call it because it is just --- a post)?

On July 24 2015 07:03 ruXxar wrote:
Thank god I feel so free.
No restrictions or leashes on me this game.
The air smells so good when you can take the time to actually stop and enjoy the scene.
No looking behind your shoulders, no worries of scrutiny.
The stars have smiled upon me and blessed me as VT.

Welcome to TL mafia.

On July 24 2015 07:05 disformation wrote:
disformation present and accounted for.
whatup ppl?

On July 25 2015 07:14 n00bKing wrote:

Oh? Is there any reason why you think Rels might be Town? I don't see one, from viewing your filter.

On July 25 2015 07:18 n00bKing wrote:

ruXxar's post is not a throwaway post because it has game-relevant information in it. He is making a roleclaim.

disformation's post is every bit as much a throwaway post as yours. As was the first post from Barakos. As was the first post from Damdred (even though it didn't come until Page 10).

A lot of people's first posts will be throwaways posts. I wasn't making a big deal of yours being one. Find something worthwhile to talk about.

On July 24 2015 08:53 n00bKing wrote:

False. Barakos and rayn each made a throwaway post after the Day started. If we decide to "lynch all liars" we can start with you! \o/

On July 25 2015 17:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I actually can't get my thoughts straight enough here for a good post, so here is the quick and dirty.

stuff I dont like about ryan
-Used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara
-very pushy and argumentative
-2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads
-spammy filter of quick one liner-ish posts

a few other things that are kinda meh and probably nai

sorry, my mind just started wandering in circles when I was trying to do quotes and dig through filters right now.... especially when I was looking at the Bara stuff.

On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:


i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread.
i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.

On July 25 2015 22:52 ruXxar wrote:


I don't generally believe in scumslips, but I am curious how you can say with absolute certainty that me and moosy are both town.
Not lynching you today regardless.

On July 25 2015 22:58 ruXxar wrote:


I already did.
I'm fine with either a moosy or barakos lynch today.

On July 25 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote:


This is why I think moosy is mafia.
The way he was so confident brimming with information about my meta when he was talking to breshke sounded to me like someone with perfect information just packing on excuses for why he's right and you're wrong.

Like seriously, these 2 early posts by moosy are just so damn weird in my mind.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594514
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24594619

On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote:
MoosyDoosy
TicTock
NocturneMage
Flexes

Found barakos scum partners right here.

On July 26 2015 05:36 Tictock wrote:


The bolded is a fairly decent point.

On July 26 2015 17:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not to mention his conclusion about the Barakos/Moosy is really townie.

On July 26 2015 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
n00bKing you need to explain how you think it is possible Rels is mafia, or rather how does his stance on Barakos and what he has pushed on D1 not clear him but on the other hand your stance on Barakos and other people and what you did makes no sense from scum perspective.

Like let me clarify:

Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it.

n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him.

And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??!

On July 26 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote:
As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers.

On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:

I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half.

On July 26 2015 16:41 Tictock wrote:
So... Based on this I'm going to go ahead and look at everyone votes and reads who were on Bara.

raynpelikoneet - a bit weird kus of his Vote post being drop-in and the read evolving based on it... probably town due to the solid push... tinfoil hat says keep eyes on him.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 26 2015 18:51 Rels wrote:

Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything.

On July 25 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia:
1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds.
2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this.
3) His read on disinformation

On July 25 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't like the bolded part at all.

On July 25 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also don't like the fact basically every read of his is "could be this BUT could also be that".

On July 24 2015 19:41 Tictock wrote:
Drew a few cards for some of ya. I would appreciate it if you could take a look at your card and give me your impression of it.

People chosen by some means.

n00b - 4 of Wands - Completion
+ Show Spoiler +

rayn - 4 of Cups - Luxury
+ Show Spoiler +

Moosy - Knight of Swords
+ Show Spoiler +

ruXx - Ace of Disks
+ Show Spoiler +

Noc -7 of Wands - Valor
+ Show Spoiler +

Flex - Kight of Cups
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point

On July 26 2015 19:42 Tictock wrote:


First 4 were my scummiest reads at the time.

NM and Flex had hardly posted anything at the time so I was hoping to get more from them.

Like whats so hard to understand?

On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:
I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.

On July 26 2015 23:03 disformation wrote:
TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum.

On July 27 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
You are in a self confirming spiral Noob. No matter what rels says/does you are interpreting it as scummy

Town contradicts themselves a lot more in my ! experiences than scum does. Its what it is and rayn is correct that we shouldn't assume anything so not sure why rels is scummy for that

On July 27 2015 02:38 n00bKing wrote:

I feel like everyone of my specific arguments is cut and clear. If there is any one of them that you're having a hard time "deciphering" then just let me know what it is, and I'll make every effort to crystallize it for you.

On July 27 2015 02:40 n00bKing wrote:
Alright, let's put this thing with Rels to bed.

Is everyone ready for the GRAND FINALE? I have to admit, I'm pretty excited.

So, I had said this:

And apparently, I'm the ONLY ONE who re-read his filter, or someone else would have caught this. Don't worry though, I'll do everything myself for the rest of this game, if I have to, until the bad guys can't take it anymore and kill me.

Here's this post from Rels. I normally trim down quotes to keep things shorter and more focused, and easier to read. But I'll quote it in its entirety, just to maximize the context.

This was confusing to me. I didn't understand how Rels could tell me that he never said the remarks required thought. If I was under the impression that he HAD told me that, then it probably had to come from somewhere. I had meant to go back and check, but then got distracted by other goings-on, and just happened to run across the answer while re-reading his filter for other reasons.

And VOILA, there it was: (again, I apologize for leaving the quote uncut. It's a huge, cluttered mess. But I'm making sure full context is available. The end is the part you want, though. The last post.)

Simple enough?


vs


OOPS.

So, ruXxar had tried to tell me stuff like this:

Well, I will have NO more of that, sir.

Yes, Rels has clarified his posts. And it's gotten him caught in a lie.

So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum.

We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr.

So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum.

We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr.

On July 27 2015 03:20 n00bKing wrote:

I think everyone understands you were early on the voting wagon, and isn't counting the misspelling against you. Like you say, you were effectively third, not sixth. Rels was sixth. Which is part of why I find it funny that people want to credit him for getting behind the lynch "early" or criticize me for switching to him "late" when he was the 6th vote and I was the 7th vote. *shrug*

On July 27 2015 03:29 n00bKing wrote:

Assume deduces = reduces? If so, then I don't think the fact that he continued to battle back makes it impossible that he's Town. Once he decided to make the lie, he could decide to try and stick with it, because admitting that it was a lie will be seen as suspicious. Like, let's say that he shows up and admits that he contradicted himself, and apologizes for it. You're going to then say it is "impossible" that he's Town, because he kept trying to discredit my point? In that scenario, you're actually motivating him to stick with the lie instead of coming clean, because if he tells the truth now you'll lynch him. See what I mean? You can say I'm overthinking it, but I don't think we should push him into a position where he feels like there is more downside to admitting the truth than continuing to lie.

On July 27 2015 03:35 n00bKing wrote:

I'm going to label this as "Rels having fun with semantics."

And I am going to label it as "the 3rd time Rels has been forced to retcon a story, after there being 5 times he has contradicted himself."

On July 27 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote:


Ruxxor makes a good post. Must be scum

On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos.
Why is the post you have been called out for scummy?

On July 24 2015 22:38 Rels wrote:

=D

On July 27 2015 04:20 Damdred wrote:
I was kinda thinking that rayn lol, just makes people look bad. Nit picking usually doesn't catch scum lol.

What about Breske though rayn

On July 27 2015 04:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

They might have flipped at different times. That's why I'm looking at Sulfurus/NocturneMage more closely. Or Breshke/NocturneMage.

On July 27 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:

It’s a joke. Sulfurus got Mafia Godfather for two games in a row before this. It would be pretty cool if this is his third time. I’m tempted to lynch him just to see.

On July 27 2015 04:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I have never played a perfect game of Mafia before.

On July 27 2015 12:58 n00bKing wrote:

Guess Vigilante could also have been roleblocked. But yeah, Cop seems more likely. Then again, Doctor was more likely than Veteran, and we have a Veteran claim now, so you never know.

On July 27 2015 13:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'd like a real case. I'd still rather lynch Sulfurus if I am to be honest.

On July 27 2015 13:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ How would you know that???

On July 27 2015 13:18 n00bKing wrote:

This is another thing that is likely, but not certain. Mafia didn't kill Kelsier on Night 1 of the last Newbie game because he was right about things YET. Mafia said they killed him because they were afraid he would figure everything out LATER. Could be the same case here with rayn, if he's a player of strong reputation.

*shrug* They probably do if they were in Newbie XII, which used a similar setup, and which contained a lot of discussion about how idiotic it would be for the Mafia to not roleblock their target, in a setup they know contains a Veteran. So assuming rayn's Vet claim is legit (obviously if there is another Vet or a Doctor out there somewhere, they should counter-claim him) then I think we either have: a Mafia team that is dumb, a Mafia team that wasn't in Newbie XII and just didn't think about it (and if they have a coach, the coach didn't bring it up either) or a Mafia team that decided to swing for the fences, because of the Day 1 result, as you hypothesized. I don't think that hypothesis is AS bad as Ticktock does. It's at least within the realm of possibility. Especially if they were reading rayn as Vanilla for some reason or other.