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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think your "i think Sulfurus is the GF" is a valid point. It’s a joke. Sulfurus got Mafia Godfather for two games in a row before this. It would be pretty cool if this is his third time. I’m tempted to lynch him just to see. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: It’s a joke. Sulfurus got Mafia Godfather for two games in a row before this. It would be pretty cool if this is his third time. I’m tempted to lynch him just to see. How about you lynch mafia instead? Like it's really cool when you play a perfect game and lynch mafia every day, i don't want to ruin it just because people are being lazy. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
My gut says it's flex,and breshke | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you lynch mafia instead? Like it's really cool when you play a perfect game and lynch mafia every day, i don't want to ruin it just because people are being lazy. I have never played a perfect game of Mafia before. And I’ve already given my thoughts. Mafia is definitely amongst Tictock/Breshke/NocturneMage/Flexes/Sulfurus unless I got fooled hard somewhere. I’m just waiting until night is over before re-reading filters from these people. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: I have never played a perfect game of Mafia before. I'll tell you a secret, it can happen if townies don't get lazy and dumb after D1 mafia lynch. Which usually happens. so, instead of posting a list of people and say "lynch here and there and ggnore" continue find mafia. this goes to everyone, not only to you. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll tell you a secret, it can happen if townies don't get lazy and dumb after D1 mafia lynch. Which usually happens. so, instead of posting a list of people and say "lynch here and there and ggnore" continue find mafia. this goes to everyone, not only to you. Um...I don't see how I'm being lazy. In fact I'm trying to help out by supplying my list and actually answering questions from people. Sure I put in a joke or two but if you find that as "lazy" then I guess you can't take even that... | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
In descending order from most trusted to least trusted. #1: n00bKing - I haz faith in my PM. I feel like I'm just as Town as it says I am. #2: ruXxar - If I had a button that I could push...and if ruXxar is Town I win the game...and if ruXxar is Scum then I lose the game, am the scapegoat for the loss, and get a 3-game ban...I'm pushing the button. I don't think a townread on ruXxar is very controversial, but I can go into it more if needed. #3: rayn - rayn kinda likes to tell us that he feels like he worked the hardest, for the Barakos lynch. I actually agree with Ticktock that a lot of rayn's filter is short and spammy posts. But even if rayn didn't *work* the hardest for the lynch, he still *pushed* the hardest for the lynch. And the target was Scum. That gives him a lot of leash to work with, in my opinion. I feel like I'll be pretty deep in tinfoil hat territory before I try to make a case on rayn. And although he and I don't always see EVERY matter the same way, we've seen a lot of them the same way, and in cases where we disagree, he *usually* seems inclined to work with me on getting things figured out. (Exception would be his refusal to tell me why he townread Rels during Day 1. I felt like that hindered the Town's win condition.) #4: Damdred - Copycatted one or two of the anti-Barakos arguments, including the one that I least liked. But here again, pushed pretty hard for a lynch on a guy that flipped Red. I have agreed with almost everything he has said during Night 1 except for the Rels topic. Seems generally helpful, and like a guy I could count on to get this thing done, if I were to be killed early. #5: disformation - As mentioned earlier, his filter doesn't read as Townie as I expected it to. There is serious "waffle" to his early game, but it sounds like he already had a reputation for his waffly nature, while playing as Town. Was still on-board with the scum lynch, and while he has several posts that strike me as fuzzy instead of Townie, they don't really strike me as Scummy. #6: Ticktock - As he pointed out, we're on the same page about virtually everything. When I notice a flawed argument and wait for someone to point out the same problem with it that I see, he has done that a time or two. When I ask him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see. And sometimes, when I think about asking him a question, he gives me the answer I want to see before I actually get the question posted. Hated the tarot stuff, but he's been a useful contributor since. Don't mind seeing him get a few answers from the "Town leaders" since no one else was doing it. Think his defense of Barakos would have been awfully bold if he were Scum, in a setup that guarantees either a Cop or Vigilante. #7: Breshke - This guy is in this game, too. In case anyone forgot. Short filter, but the posts that he does have, I'm generally a fan of. #8: Moosy - Hasn't given us much to go on either. Pulled this same "I am Scum and you should lynch me" card in a prior game, where he was Town. Don't know if he would go back to that play as Town for a second game in a row. But don't know that he would go back to that play as Scum either, and just hope that people would read him as Town for it again. (It did very nearly get him lynched last time.) Still null to slightly Town. #9: NocturneMage - Might be a bit higher, if it didn't seem like he can't be paired with either of my highest scumreads. (Hooray for association cases!) Later posts do seem better, but some of the early posts are pretty damn unhelpful. Don't know who mentioned it, but he had a tendency early to just ask people questions about what they thought about someone else's stated opinion. These questions had predictable answers, that would probably be short and not generate much interesting discussion. Asking questions is good. But asking questions like that is bad, because they take up just as much space in your filter (so it looks like you're participating and being inquisitive) but it doesn't actually go anywhere. Happily engages in a worthless discussion about his experience in RL Mafia games, while failing to actually draw conclusions about what is going on. #10: Flexes - Don't tell me that you are currently in the process of writing up your thoughts, and will post it as soon as it is done, and then disappear. Hate this play, but I think it is nearly as bad for a Scum player as it is for a Town player. I do not see much Scum motivation behind this action, so I think he's probably almost as likely to be AFK Town as to be lurking Scum. But if we get rid of him, we obviously are not risking a helpful contributor. #11: Rels - If there's one thing everyone should understand by now, it's why I am scumreading Rels. As I mentioned before, it is my belief that the circumstantial evidence works in Rels' favor. But when I read his POSTS, they ooze scum. #12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Some good people for the Doctor to heal: Folks that are high on this list? Some good people for the Vigilante to shoot: Flexes, Sulfurus, mayyybe Moosy Some good people for the Cop to check: Rels, Mage, mayyybe Breshke Rels is a way better Cop check than Vig shot, because if he's actually Town, he could be more help later than I would probably expect from my list of Vig shots. If nothing else, a Town check on Rels at least forces me to view the game from a fresh perspective (if I'm not the night kill). Flexes is excluded from the Cop check list because if the check comes back Town, it doesn't really give us a useful contributor that we know is giving us honest information. It gives an AFK first-time player who might get modkilled. Sulfurus is excluded from the Cop check list because like Moosy said, Sulfurus is probably the Godfather.  [This is a joke. I explain that since some people in this thread have trouble identifying jokes.] | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I promise i will look more closely onto Sulfurus in case i am alive on D2. As I said. n00bKing, thoughts about your list after looking at my most recent posts? Yours seems solid and more or less mine although I have people on mine in a slightly different order. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: As I said. n00bKing, thoughts about your list after looking at my most recent posts? Yours seems solid and more or less mine although I have people on mine in a slightly different order. Besides Rels ofc. Eh, if I address Rels I have to put on tinfoil and address you as well. I'll do it again but I hate reading both of your filters at this point. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote: #9: NocturneMage - Might be a bit higher, if it didn't seem like he can't be paired with either of my highest scumreads. (Hooray for association cases!) Later posts do seem better, but some of the early posts are pretty damn unhelpful. Don't know who mentioned it, but he had a tendency early to just ask people questions about what they thought about someone else's stated opinion. These questions had predictable answers, that would probably be short and not generate much interesting discussion. Asking questions is good. But asking questions like that is bad, because they take up just as much space in your filter (so it looks like you're participating and being inquisitive) but it doesn't actually go anywhere. Happily engages in a worthless discussion about his experience in RL Mafia games, while failing to actually draw conclusions about what is going on. That would be barakos confirmed scum: On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are both arguing about semantics so feel free to point out how what Rels says here is clearly another lie, because i don't really understand it. You seemed to understand what made Rels a liar, in your post at the end of Page 46. You say "Okay, I understand. Rels, please elaborate." Are you telling me that his "explanation" on Page 47 was actually satisfying to you?! Because what else could you possibly expect him to say there, if he's Scum? I would have expected yet another retcon job about what he meant. And that's just what we got. "When I said VT, I didn't actually mean VT, I really just meant Town." "When I said prepared post, I didn't actually mean prepared post, I really just meant that he thought about it a lot before posting it." "When I said that he thought long and hard before making the post, and that it wasn't just instant reactions, I didn't actually mean any of that. I really just meant that although the individual remarks each required no forethought, and were instant reactions, he still thought long and hard before going ahead and making the post, because it covers 3 separate topics." I just don't get how someone reads all of this backtracking and re-wording from Rels, and doesn't have their BS-detector going off like crazy. You find Rels' explanations for how his posts came to say what they SAY (INSTEAD OF what he MEANT) to be reasonable? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
shoot Fexexs. check tictactoe. i think they are the last mafia. i think moosy is not mafia. be aware of sulf and breshke, mayyyybe NM. i don't think anyone else has a chance of flipping mafia. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: i'll be honest i think Rels is town for this: I don't care to elaborate further but he is totally town because he was the only one who gets this. Hmm. I would have assumed that everyone "gets it." | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: It would be great if n00bKing could look into the associative cases of these three since he’s good at that and stop being tunneled on Rels for a moment. You gonna say stuff like this to me every single game? I have to keep going back to Rels only because no one else is posting any arguments against him where I can be like "Yeah, that." It's not going to keep me from looking at everything else. It's not like I'm so focused on Rels that I can't think about or talk about anything else. I read like 9 filters during this Phase, okay? I'll have my head in the game. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:36 n00bKing wrote: You gonna say stuff like this to me every single game? I have to keep going back to Rels only because no one else is posting any arguments against him where I can be like "Yeah, that." It's not going to keep me from looking at everything else. It's not like I'm so focused on Rels that I can't think about or talk about anything else. I read like 9 filters during this Phase, okay? I'll have my head in the game. Uh, which part. The tunneled part which is true? Or the the associative case part which you're the best at? Either way I'll read Rels filter and yours again just to make you happy. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2015 04:26 disformation wrote: Mh. Got kinda ninjaed by MoosyDoosy, Both his town circle and his PoE list look rather agreeable and is probably something town would avoid to post like this. ? Do you mean scum would avoid posting it, instead of town? Otherwise, I can't figure out that sentence. | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 27 2015 05:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: n00bKing, thoughts about your list after looking at my most recent posts? Yours seems solid and more or less mine although I have people on mine in a slightly different order. Yeah, your most recent posts fall in line with my thoughts better than your earlier posts. I think I have Breshke a little more townie than you do. And I have Ticktock more townie than you do (though you aren't scumreading him super hard or anything). So for the most part, we only sharply disagree on Rels. Much like how Damdred and I most sharply disagree on Rels. I could see bumping you up a Town slot. But it's not that big of a deal either way. | ||
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