Newbie Student Mafia XIII - Page 89

Rels

France13467 Posts

July 29 2015 20:20 GMT

#1761

Wow noobking and moosy are both using credibility attacks on people. Maybe you were right ruxx and that's the team.

Anyway good night all, can't see me dying over rayn so see you tomorrow.

MoosyDoosy

United States4519 Posts

July 29 2015 20:35 GMT

#1762

On July 30 2015 05:20 Rels wrote:
Wow noobking and moosy are both using credibility attacks on people. Maybe you were right ruxx and that's the team.

Anyway good night all, can't see me dying over rayn so see you tomorrow.

Yes we are the Mafia team. In fact, I'll make it easier for you and start a wagon on myself first thing on the next day. After I flip town perhaps THEN you'll finally come to your senses. But then I doubt it because you'll ignore the result and still lynch n00bKing.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

July 29 2015 20:43 GMT

#1763

On July 30 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
Scott, as town when your top scum read votes someone before you do. Do you become hesitant to lynch that person or just pile on.

I usually become hesitant until re-reading the votes or the reasoning - because it's either a bus or the person is town, and from my experience, they're town. A few times I haven't even had time to double check the votes before I add my vote because they seem to be the most scummy.

Is there a reason you are curious? From my experience, it makes sense to.

MoosyDoosy

United States4519 Posts

July 29 2015 20:47 GMT

#1764

On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:

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On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.

How about now?

This won't make a difference because you'll use some form of confirmation bias but I'll give it a shot.

n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.

...Is that simple enough?

MoosyDoosy

United States4519 Posts

July 29 2015 20:49 GMT

#1765

I don't see how posts like those show that n00bKing is not playing well. In fact they show that he is thinking multiple steps ahead and that he is playing smart. It's just that all of you seem to be blinding yourselves to this and just trying to force a random mislynch.

Although I might expect this out of Rels because he tends to get tunneled and ruXxar who's just dumb, I did not expects this at all from rayn.

Rels

France13467 Posts

July 29 2015 20:54 GMT

#1766

On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town. Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town.

You are saying noobking knew scott was cop during D2, before the showdown at EOD.

Confirm ?

Rels

France13467 Posts

July 29 2015 20:59 GMT

#1767

On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town.

When was that ?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 29 2015 21:02 GMT

#1768

On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:

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On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.

Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

BULLSHIT. Remember our first Mafia game together. LOL. THAT game was a prime example of n00bKing with his confirmation bias at work. However even if he's guilty of having confirmation bias your's is 100x worse.

n00bking played a million times better in our last newbie game than he did this game imo.
I could actually understand his logic that game. i gained tremendous respect for n00bking after that game even if he just lived for 1 day.

This game he's literally throwing that image in the trash.

I see the same things in both games. He has confirmation bias on a few people, is a bit overeager to pressure some over others, and his wordiness is kicking in when he's trying to explain something.

It's just that your bias for Rels is kicking in and is shading n00bKing in a bad light while putting n00bKing in our first game into a better light. If you go back and read that game, you can see all the traits still carried over into this one.

But then again you won't read it because you're dumb. And even if you DO read it, your confirmation bias will just kick in and refuse to accept that fact.

How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding.

There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question.

On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.

How about now?

n00bKing has been widely regarded as town until you two started piling shit on him after D2. No cop would and should waste a check on n00bKing because he is town.

- Rels called n00bking mafia day 1. So this logic doesn't apply for why rels can't be cop.

Really. So why does n00bking say this?

On July 29 2015 06:55 Rels wrote:

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Actually tell me why we should lynch Scott over TT I'm interested.

On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote:

Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread?

Are you trying to convince me that n00bking knew scott was cop?

I can't believe what you're saying right now.
You are sooo far off base it's unbelievable. Holy shit.

Rels

France13467 Posts

July 29 2015 21:04 GMT

#1769

ruxx. Beginning to sleep here. Make him answer my questions if I do. Especially this one.

On July 30 2015 05:54 Rels wrote:

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You are saying noobking knew scott was cop during D2, before the showdown at EOD.

Confirm ?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 29 2015 21:06 GMT

#1770

On July 30 2015 06:04 Rels wrote:
ruxx. Beginning to sleep here. Make him answer my questions if I do. Especially this one.

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I'm going to bed myself too soon. Been getting 4 hours of sleep last 3 days.
We're definitely on the right track here though.

I'll see you tomorrow, good night

Rels

France13467 Posts

July 29 2015 21:07 GMT

#1771

On July 30 2015 06:06 ruXxar wrote:

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I'm going to bed myself too soon. Been getting 4 hours of sleep last 3 days.
We're definitely on the right track here though.

I'll see you tomorrow, good night

OK can't complain then. (=
Good night

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

July 29 2015 21:10 GMT

#1772

On July 30 2015 04:42 n00bKing wrote:

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lol, jesus, are there ANY players in this game that are NOT willing to tell blatant lies just to try and make their (mistaken) point? It was NOT 10 minutes before the deadline, it was 25 minutes before the deadline. Which was more than adequate, as nearly everyone was here to read it, digest it, and make a judgment.

And the reason I hadn't done it earlier is because until that point, it didn't look like it would be necessary! Scott had a runaway lead in the votes when I went to lunch. Only after his claim does Ticktock get into trouble again.

look at this guy.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 29 2015 21:14 GMT

#1773

On July 30 2015 05:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 30 2015 05:05 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 05:00 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:47 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:40 ruXxar wrote:

On July 30 2015 04:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
he is obviously a smart guy.
he is not playing smart.
i cant explain it better.

Exactly this.
His push on rels was so bad I couldn't believe n00bking is doing this.

How about you go on and explain n00bkings statement on rels which you apparently had no problem understanding.

There's no point in answering you unless someone asks the same question.

On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:

On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.

How about now?

N00bking, what do you think of this post? Checks out right?

n00bKing

United States1202 Posts

July 29 2015 21:53 GMT

#1774

On July 30 2015 06:14 ruXxar wrote:
N00bking, what do you think of this post?

Not impressed. He doesn't even touch on the common sense truth that the reason we know Rels the Cop would never turn in a check on me on Night 1 is because he said that's exactly what he would do if he was the Cop, and gave no alternate suggestions. I have never seen an investigative role do something like that. I WILL never see an investigative role do something like that. If Rels is the Cop, I'm not getting checked on Night 1. PERIOD.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

July 29 2015 21:59 GMT

#1775

So I'm pretty sure Rayn will be dead and I'll be roleblocked, but posting my last will just in case. I see 1% chance of sickplays but...and I'll high five rayn if it happens.

I don't want to town to tunnel on the "last four" (Breshke, n00bking, NoctMage, and MoosyDoosy) but I am pretty confident the last two mafia are here, and I think it's N00b/Moosy at the moment, but don't get tunnelled!

Scott31337 Yeah I'm the cop and I'm sure I got roleblocked unless Mafia is on more drugs (Hey they didn't RB their vet shot which is mafia 101 when they know the setup, so who knows)
Rayn Nuff said.
Rels Was roleblocked, 99% town, has good thoughts into the game and is doing well. if he's alive D5, then we get suspicious.
Disformation Would be my second in the list - trying to find holes, looking into the game critically.
ruXXar Also scumhunting, although I don't want him to get too tunneled. A Slight possibility his scumgame is pretty good and won the last two.
Damdred Has good thoughts and love, he'd be next.
NoctureMage - last filter dive of him I think he's a low posting town
Breshke - just soo In the middle - nothing interesting... I just don't know.

Moosy - has a green check - could be the GF - hard defends n00bKing -

n00bKing Is playing extremely different than his first town game he got killed day one - He's been extremely defensive, and his shitfest with Rels, possible bus - I just don't see him as town.

Shit I ran out of time guys

n00bKing

United States1202 Posts

July 29 2015 21:59 GMT

#1776

On July 30 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote:
Noob can you explain who you think is scum and why real fast

#1 - Scott if he's counterclaimed.
#2 - Sulfurus
#3 - NotcurneMage
#4 - Breshke

If Scott doesn't get counterclaimed, the order of 2-4 could move around some. I could re-read NocturneMage and Breshke, and figure out if either of them can jump Sulfurus. (I don't expect Breshke can though.) Mage's filter is surprisingly difficult to read, given how short it is. He keeps bringing up things that happened 50 pages ago that I haven't thought about in 3 days. If he's Scum, I'd say he's actually playing...good? Maybe? Because when I read posts in his filter, my eyes glaze over, and when I try to determine his allegiance, it makes me wish I was doing something else instead.

But no, I can't get reasoning out right now, as it continues to be a busy week at work. And I don't know that I'll feel like bothering later, given the absurdity I've had to contend with the in the thread lately. If I do, I'll have time to put out reads during Day 3, since there is no chance of me being night-killed when so many dufuses think I'm Scum. I expect to live, and I expect Scum will let dufuses live too.

If I die tonight....

Hallelujah!

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

July 29 2015 22:00 GMT

#1777

Stop Posting Please!

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 29 2015 22:02 GMT

#1778

On July 30 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:

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So he also didn't get your point.
That's 3/3 that don't get it.

What did you think of this part? Did you in fact warn moosy that scott was cop?

Also, it was able to be deduced that scott was cop for reasons that I stated before. n00bKing obviously didn't want to disclose this information so that Mafia would figure it out and he IN FACT warned me when I posted my reasoning for why scott should be town. However this ended up not mattering because Damdred made everyone pile votes on scott which made him role claim.