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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 29 2015 23:29 GMT
#1801
@moosy

1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?

2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:31 GMT
#1802
On July 30 2015 08:28 scott31337 wrote:
Who do you think are the last two mafia then?

Me and n00bKing.

If I'm being serious, then you all already know how I do my lynches. The people I am currently suspecting are: NocturneMage/Breshke/Sulfurus. I don't think of associative cases which is more n00bKing's thing but just narrow my list through town reads for a townie circle before looking at people outside of the circle and lynching the one that seems most scummy. However, I will definitely bet that there HAS to be at LEAST one Mafia in these 3.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:31 GMT
#1803
On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy

1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?

2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

What's up ruXxar old buddy?
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 29 2015 23:33 GMT
#1804
On July 30 2015 08:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy

1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?

2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

What's up ruXxar old buddy?


Not much. Just catching scum, that's all.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:37 GMT
#1805
On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy

1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?

2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

To be serious, I already explained #1 but you just haven't wrapped your brain around it.

As for #2, it's very simple. scott had a likely chance of being PR BEFORE he claimed. However, afterwards, he claimed he said that he had a green check on me. Now the strange thing about this is when you look at the timeline of things. Flexes said he'd make a post then went afk for more than 24 hours. HOWEVER, this means that he had to have put in an action without having followed up on his promise to post reads and not having been active for 24 hours. Which we all found strange because he was replaced by scott. EVEN RAYN pointed this out and we can see his flip flopping before the vote went through. n00bKing also pointed this out (like rayn) which is why he was saying that scott's claim was illogical.

So for your simple brain to process #2:
BEFORE CLAIM:
- scott has likely chance of being PR

AFTER CLAIM:
- scott says he has green check on me
- It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours
- scott could have been lying
- n00bKing and rayn point this out

AFTERWARDS:
- no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:38 GMT
#1806
However, note that there's a very simple explanation for it all. Before night time ended, Flexes comes back into the game after being inactive, hurriedly told host that he couldn't play, asked for a replacement, and inserted an action before leaving.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:45 GMT
#1807
On July 30 2015 08:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
However, note that there's a very simple explanation for it all. Before night time ended, Flexes comes back into the game after being inactive, hurriedly told host that he couldn't play, asked for a replacement, and inserted an action before leaving.

However, even this has its problems. This explanation relies on Flexes having asked the host for a replacement. On the other hand, if the host instead replaced Flexes automatically due to inactivity then we have a problem. Because this then means that scott is lying and that the real cop is not counter claiming.

But i don't personally think that this is the case because it's strange for the cop to not be counter claiming if scott is lying because it would be a really easy Mafia lynch. Unless it's a weird scenario where the cop wants to check more people under relative safety before going to end game where he can then counter claim and flip the tables on Mafia's heads. This is possible as well.

But before your brain implodes from too much thinking ruXxar, I'll keep it simple and say this: for now we have to believe that scott is cop because no one counterclaimed.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:48 GMT
#1808
For reference ruXxar here are rayn's posts who you seemed to trust so much:

Him basically asking about whether or not Flexes got replaced automatically due to inactivity or whether Flexes asked for it.
On July 29 2015 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Waitwaitwiat.
if a power role gets replaced while having not sent in an action, what happens? Is there no action or what?


rayn's flip flopping after initially realizing that scott's vote made no sense.
On July 29 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont care.
It doesnt make any sense at all.

The dude is in the middle of writing a reads post.
He disappears, as a cop. He never comes back, gets replaced.
BUT HE HAS SOMEHOW SENT IN A COP CHECK?!?!?!

rofl

On July 29 2015 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
NOBODY SENDS A COP CHECK 24H INTO DAY FUCKING ONE.

On July 29 2015 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Whatever.
Lets not lynch scott then unless cc.

##unvote
##vote tictock


And n00bKing did the same thing but you want to lynch him? Right....smart thinking man.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:49 GMT
#1809
Alright I'm done spamming. Any more questions? Now would be a good time while I'm calm.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 29 2015 23:53 GMT
#1810
On July 30 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 08:29 ruXxar wrote:
@moosy

1) your explanation of n00bkings statement failed to explain why rels isn't the cop and also failed to explain why he wouldn't check n00bking.
Would you like to try again?

2) you're claiming that n00bking knew that Scott was a cop before he claimed, yet n00bking wanted to lynch Scott after his claim because his claim was illogical.
Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

To be serious, I already explained #1 but you just haven't wrapped your brain around it.

As for #2, it's very simple. scott had a likely chance of being PR BEFORE he claimed. However, afterwards, he claimed he said that he had a green check on me. Now the strange thing about this is when you look at the timeline of things. Flexes said he'd make a post then went afk for more than 24 hours. HOWEVER, this means that he had to have put in an action without having followed up on his promise to post reads and not having been active for 24 hours. Which we all found strange because he was replaced by scott. EVEN RAYN pointed this out and we can see his flip flopping before the vote went through. n00bKing also pointed this out (like rayn) which is why he was saying that scott's claim was illogical.

So for your simple brain to process #2:
BEFORE CLAIM:
- scott has likely chance of being PR

AFTER CLAIM:
- scott says he has green check on me
- It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours
- scott could have been lying
- n00bKing and rayn point this out

AFTERWARDS:
- no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem


1) you said that no one would check n00bking because he was universally town read.
He out confirmed town rayn said that n00b was a good cop check.
Our almost confirmed town reels said that n00b was mafia and also a good cop check.
Sulfurus also called n00bking mafia.
I said that n00bkung was playing weird.

So you see, people did have a reason to check n00b.

Nowhere did you explain why specifically rels couldn't be the cop, and why he specifically would not check n00bking.

Even noobking said your post didn't explain it, but nice try.

2) Scott has a likely chance of being pr, but when he claims it's illogical because he put in a check?
How would you have any idea what the situation around flexes was like.
Only LS knows this.
Shouldn't you be exstatic over the fact that you got green checked?
Trying to pull the wifom card on this I could say it's just as likely that he put in a vote in.
But sure, it's definitely worth lynching an un'ccd cop anyway because his claim was illogical.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 29 2015 23:55 GMT
#1811
On July 30 2015 07:51 disformation wrote:
How would it be possible for me to be Scum, disformation? How can that reality exist, given the way that the game has played out? Are you just going to plaster a big "WIFOM" sticker over every single instance where I've done something that is detrimental to the Scum win condition? I knew Ticktock had to be Town because he and I had been step-for-step so much of the way, and there's NO chance that a Scum Ticktock plays against his own agenda so many times, in so many ways. There isn't enough WIFOM in the world to explain away all the things that he did (and I've done) that would have brought the Mafia closer to defeat, if either of us were on the team. I would really like to hear someone explain why, if I were Mafia, I would continuously be putting the dagger in my own heart. Is there even any theory at all for how that's possible, that can't simply be summarized as "WIFOM" and nothing more?

This post has 0 content. Of course it is possible for him to be scum. I could be scum, too. Damdred could be scum.[/quote]
Your reply has 0 content. Can you reason out a way (any way) that it is rational for me to be Scum here, or can nothing explain it but "cuz WIFOM?" I'll ask again after I post the Town Case on n00bKing.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 29 2015 23:56 GMT
#1812
On July 30 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Did anyone besides Scott claiming rb? XD

Not sure. Hey Moosy, was I roleblocked? If Moosy says I was roleblocked, I'll probably believe him.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:56 GMT
#1813
Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 29 2015 23:57 GMT
#1814
On July 30 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything else, you all should have lynched me off of a mistake in a post I made off the basis of TMI. Here I'll provide it to you all since ya'll be so clueless:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

Here we see me saying with complete confidence that we have a Vigi. I say this a couple of times as well and n00bKing is the only one who picks up on it and does this:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 02:39 n00bKing wrote:
On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

Decided my response to this post is counter-productive. Flagging just so I'll have it in my own filter to remind me later.

So he's the only one who saw this while the rest of you were blind and running around like headless chicken. And you're all STILL telling me you want to lynch him? right...

It's Cuz WIFOM, Moosy! Just like a million zillion other things I've posted in this game that fail to further a Scum agenda, I must have done it Cuz WIFOM.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:58 GMT
#1815
On July 30 2015 08:56 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Did anyone besides Scott claiming rb? XD

Not sure. Hey Moosy, was I roleblocked? If Moosy says I was roleblocked, I'll probably believe him.

I don't know man. You might want to ask ruXxar since he's clearly right about his reads. I'm not sure if I was roleblocked either.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 29 2015 23:59 GMT
#1816
On July 30 2015 08:57 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If anything else, you all should have lynched me off of a mistake in a post I made off the basis of TMI. Here I'll provide it to you all since ya'll be so clueless:
On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

Here we see me saying with complete confidence that we have a Vigi. I say this a couple of times as well and n00bKing is the only one who picks up on it and does this:
On July 29 2015 02:39 n00bKing wrote:
On July 28 2015 12:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

Decided my response to this post is counter-productive. Flagging just so I'll have it in my own filter to remind me later.

So he's the only one who saw this while the rest of you were blind and running around like headless chicken. And you're all STILL telling me you want to lynch him? right...

It's Cuz WIFOM, Moosy! Just like a million zillion other things I've posted in this game that fail to further a Scum agenda, I must have done it Cuz WIFOM.

On July 30 2015 08:21 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Oh wait oh wait. Let me guess what ruXxar is thinking:

"They thought that far ahead which is why Moosy is able to pull it up so easily! aha!"

^ This is a full case of confirmation bias.

And should i point out Tictock's post outlining exactly WHY he's not Mafia? If you have confirmation bias, you would also read it as a Mafia doing things differently on purpose.

"But no! But no!" says ruXxar, "Moosy thought that easily ahead and planned it all out! He's matching his play to be like Tictocks when he saw the mislynch coming throught! Yeah!"

^ And here, folks, is why ruXxar is dumb.

Here ya go man.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 30 2015 00:04 GMT
#1817
On July 30 2015 08:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
So for your simple brain to process #2:
BEFORE CLAIM:
- scott has likely chance of being PR

AFTER CLAIM:
- scott says he has green check on me
- It's weird that Flexes was able to put in an action because he was inactive for more than 24 hours
- scott could have been lying
- n00bKing and rayn point this out

AFTERWARDS:
- no one counter claims -> means that scott has to be cop as weird as it may seem

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(With the caveat that Scott may still be counterclaimed)

There are also 2 more elements to it, but I still shouldn't comment on them.

MoosyDoosy wrote: However, note that there's a very simple explanation for it all. Before night time ended, Flexes comes back into the game after being inactive, hurriedly told host that he couldn't play, asked for a replacement, and inserted an action before leaving.

Sure. Not hard to understand HOW it could happen. Just seems SO bizarre THAT it would happen.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 30 2015 00:08 GMT
#1818
On July 30 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense.


Except according to you(n00bking has yet to confirm that what you're saying is correct) noob already thought that Scott was cop, so why would he then say his claim is illogical? He should've been expecting it and be happy to see that he was right.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 30 2015 00:10 GMT
#1819
On July 30 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:
1) you said that no one would check n00bking because he was universally town read.
He out confirmed town rayn said that n00b was a good cop check.
Our almost confirmed town reels said that n00b was mafia and also a good cop check.
Sulfurus also called n00bking mafia.
I said that n00bkung was playing weird.

So you see, people did have a reason to check n00b.

Okay, now put your thinking cap on. 4 of you acting suspicious of me, and/or suggesting me as a Cop check.

If I roleblock Sulfurus...eliminates him as a strong mislynch candidate. Sucks for me a little, since I had expressed some suspicion of him.

If I roleblock rayn...no problem! This works great! He was the strongest advocate for the Barakos lynch, and was being townread pretty widely.

If I roleblock you (ruXxar)....no problem! This works great! You were already being DumbTown-read pretty widely.

If I roleblock Rels...it WRECKS MY WHOLE FUCKING GAME TO THIS POINT.

If I am Scum, HOW on Earth did that roleblock target get turned in?!!
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 30 2015 00:10 GMT
#1820
On July 30 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Have you read all my posts ruXxar. Based on your #2 posting you haven't. If we listened to you then we should have lynched rayn too. Like your reasoning makes no sense.


Except according to you(n00bking has yet to confirm that what you're saying is correct) noob already thought that Scott was cop, so why would he then say his claim is illogical? He should've been expecting it and be happy to see that he was right.

This has both rayn AND n00bKing in it for your benefit.

On July 29 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2015 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 29 2015 06:52 Sulfurus wrote:
Wait are you guys saying Scott's claim would be more believable if he didn't have a check?

Yes.

*nod*

"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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