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On July 25 2015 08:46 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 07:51 Sulfurus wrote:On July 25 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 05:44 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:48 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote: I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game I could say the same about you. So this was the first post that was made after I left. I'm really surprised to see that no one has commented on it, in the 10 pages that have followed. Sulfurus definitely could not say the same about me, unless he knows me from outside these forums, and just hasn't told me so. On the off chance that Sulfurus actually participates more today: What did you mean by that? And otherwise: Can anyone else make sense of what he's saying there? He either means it's easy for him aswell to distinguish your townplay from scumplay. Or that he wants to know what you have to bring to the table this game. He can't only mean the second one. He already edited things out of my post, since it originally said scum game in Newbie XII and town game in Newbie X. He took those parts out, but still left the rest of the sentence, so he must want it there for a reason. And he can't mean that he finds it easy to distinguish my townplay from my scumplay, (again, unless he knows me from outside the forums) because I haven't drawn a scum role yet. Now YOU might not have known that I've only been Town so far, but some of the other players in this game do know that, so it's a really weird thing for Sulfurus to say. I can talk about how I compared his scum play to his town play in earlier games. He never had the chance to do the same things with my earlier games. There aren't any scum games to look at. i was looking for this. tbh i assumed this is what you were after (didn't know and too hard to check on phone, when i got home i forgot). The mind-meld is real If the mind-meld between rayn and myself is real, then why do you have one of us on your Town reads and one on your Scum reads? lol The mind-meld is between me and rayn FailFish ...what? That doesn't make any sense. He wasn't talking to you, he was talking to me. And saying that he thought he had understood what I had been after, when making my post where I asked you what you meant. (A question you still have not answered.)
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On July 25 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote: n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.
Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit. What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me. Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive. This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it. First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost. Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect. Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway. Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus.
I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride. I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing. I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed.
I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way.
But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock).
I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say.
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On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote: And the 6 lynches thing is not an assumption it's basic math; if we wake up with 3 players alive we can lynch only one person (floor(3/2) = 1), if we wake with 5 alive we can lynch exactly 2 people (floor(5/2) = 2) and so on until you get to 13 (floor(13/2) = 6). If your still confused write down on a piece of paper how many players will be alive each day if we lynch once a day and mafia kills once a night until final 3 and then count how many lynches we get. Okay. You are so sure in your town reads after half of D1 you think you can no longer lose this game? If we lynch 4 townies in a row we lose (assuming 1 nk each night). I see what Sulfurus is saying about the 6 lynches, but I haven't seen anyone express it that way before. We only get 6 lynches if three of them are right. Because like you say, 4 mislynches can end the game. Which all means that if Sulfurus were to have even ONE bad guy (including himself, of course) in his townpile, then following his 'auto' blueprint would guarantee that the Town loses. He has to be absolutely right about all 7 of his townreads (again, including himself) or following his lists is a one-way ticket to a Mafia victory.
His confidence in his lists doesn't make me scumread him any more than I would have before, however. Because that confidence is just as strange if he's one alignment as it is if he's the other, given that his track record so far here is:
Town - Gets himself mislynched Scum - Gets himself lynched Day 2 Scum - Gets himself lynched Day 1
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On July 25 2015 13:51 Tictock wrote: So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy. Neat! Cuz I didn't even wanna get lynched anyway! :D
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On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. I see three different things wrong with this post from Sulfurus. And will award 5 Townie points to each player who notices one of them before I point it out. Two of them have already been pointed out, during discussion on Page 33.
1) I have never heard anyone talk about the "shape" of someone's posts as possibly being alignment-indicative. That's just not terminology that is used. Sulfurus later talks about Trfel and myself having distinctive formatting. That could make it difficult for us to Smurf or something, but did Trfel's distinctive formatting actually change, when his alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did, so what is he talking about? Did my distinctive formatting actually change, when my alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did (and he's never seen my alignment change) so what is he talking about? I don't see any indication that Barakos using the same "shape" in his posts would actually mean he's Town again, so there wouldn't be anything to get "very excited" about. All of this is dumb.
For calling attention to it, I'll give Ticktock 5 Townie Points.
2) Sulfurus "starts with the read on Barakos" even though it was the one that people would be least interested to hear about, and then left for hours. And when he came back and posted again, he still didn't explain the controversial reads that people would actually be curious about.
For calling attention to that, I'll give Breshke 5 Townie Points.
3) ????
Whoever points out this problem in Sulfurus' post, will get another 5 Townie Points.
In Sulfurus' defense (yeah, I said it!) he didn't really make a full-on list post in either of his two recent scum games. He kinda/sorta gave reads, but there wasn't a list post like this one. Whereas there was, in Newbie X (where he was Town). On the other hand, considering that he was lynched EARLY in each of those scum games, you would think he would try to do SOMETHING to change up his scum game, even if it's just copycatting some of his behavior from Newbie X (since I've made it clear that I'm pretty familiar with all 3 of his previous games).
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On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter? Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses. Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout.
So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given.
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On July 25 2015 17:12 Rels wrote: Now I'll cover the accusation against me. I'll try to not do the same as newbie XI where I covered the thread with pages of defense. Actually thinking about it could it be what mafia wanted ... meh we'll see later. Doubt it? Because when you did that in Newbie XI it worked, and you went from having 7 votes on you to having 0, and were never lynched.
On July 25 2015 17:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote: Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.
But why does that not apply to his opening post as well? Because it has nothing to do with him being newbie. The fact is he prepared his post before posting. Now I'll let you analyze that fact as newbie indicative if that is your wish. For my part I think it's scum indicative. You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
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On July 25 2015 17:24 Rels wrote:If you're mafia that will make you happy: I cursed out loudly reading this post and woke up my GF. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 07:14 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 06:53 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 06:38 disformation wrote: 1) This one Okay. I guess I don't see that read on you as being "wonky." It's just WEAK. So again, I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1. we are not lynching rels 100%. Oh? Is there any reason why you think Rels might be Town? I don't see one, from viewing your filter. Will you curse even more loudly when you see that rayn did NOT try to give me a reason why he thinks you might be Town? And that instead, he simply refused to defend you?
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On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:14 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. I see three different things wrong with this post from Sulfurus. And will award 5 Townie points to each player who notices one of them before I point it out. Two of them have already been pointed out, during discussion on Page 33. 1) I have never heard anyone talk about the "shape" of someone's posts as possibly being alignment-indicative. That's just not terminology that is used. Sulfurus later talks about Trfel and myself having distinctive formatting. That could make it difficult for us to Smurf or something, but did Trfel's distinctive formatting actually change, when his alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did, so what is he talking about? Did my distinctive formatting actually change, when my alignment changed? Sulfurus doesn't say that it did (and he's never seen my alignment change) so what is he talking about? I don't see any indication that Barakos using the same "shape" in his posts would actually mean he's Town again, so there wouldn't be anything to get "very excited" about. All of this is dumb. For calling attention to it, I'll give Ticktock 5 Townie Points. 2) Sulfurus "starts with the read on Barakos" even though it was the one that people would be least interested to hear about, and then left for hours. And when he came back and posted again, he still didn't explain the controversial reads that people would actually be curious about. For calling attention to that, I'll give Breshke 5 Townie Points. 3) ???? Whoever points out this problem in Sulfurus' post, will get another 5 Townie Points. In Sulfurus' defense (yeah, I said it!) he didn't really make a full-on list post in either of his two recent scum games. He kinda/sorta gave reads, but there wasn't a list post like this one. Whereas there was, in Newbie X (where he was Town). On the other hand, considering that he was lynched EARLY in each of those scum games, you would think he would try to do SOMETHING to change up his scum game, even if it's just copycatting some of his behavior from Newbie X (since I've made it clear that I'm pretty familiar with all 3 of his previous games). You and trfel were just examples of people with distinctive shapes it doesn't seem to be alignment for you and I don't know how trfel posts when's he's town (btw trfel's big 'case' posts are long and thin, and for you most of your posts are standard but some of them like the one I'm replying too are overly 'dense' for some reason). Then again, I think it is silly to raise either Trfel or myself as examples, when those examples don't actually support your argument against Barakos.
On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote: Barakos is interesting because all of his posts when he was town had that rectangular shape I talked about but here only his first post was like that. Again, there were many posts from him in Newbie X that didn't have that shape. Again, the post in this game that you are referencing was not the last one in this game that DID have that shape. Again, there are good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This stuff isn't it.
On July 25 2015 17:28 Sulfurus wrote: I think it's because he was originally trying very hard to imitate his town game but couldn't keep it up in his later posts. He couldn't keep it going for more than ONE post, huh? He emulated his Town game for a whole ONE post, and then he was spent? That's your argument?
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On July 25 2015 17:33 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:26 n00bKing wrote:On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote: I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game. The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards. Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach. Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it. I need to engage in my own way. Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun. In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless. Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! [indent ]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia. Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up. Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here. Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter? Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses. Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout. So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given. This one too. It's also dense. Yep. That post had dense formatting too. And you should, like, read it.
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Okay, I'm off to bed too. I'll be dreaming of a world where we have 3 Nooses today. So that we could just lynch Barakos, and Sulfurus, and Rels, and see if we win yet.
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On July 25 2015 17:50 Rels wrote: Why is Rels mafia: an ironic accusation You didn't say anything about why the accusation is ironic. Nor is it ironic.
On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:OneThe fact that I used VT to mean townie is NAI. The accusation part of this point is that I tried to swip it under the rug when mentioned. But that is not true. I will put you in my head; and by that I mean, read these posts with the idea that VT=townie. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VTtownie claim + fluff about beer. Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote: 1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VTtownie claim in there? Can you now understand why I said: Yes, I understand why you would have said that Point 1 is useless, if you had thought that you said "townie" instead of "VT."
Now, do you understand why I don't believe you?
For your story to be true, not only do you have to SAY "VT" when you actually meant "townie" but when other people respond to you and talk about it, you also have to READ "VT" as "townie" instead.
And like I've said, if you thought the post was a Town claim and not a Vanilla claim...why bother mentioning it at all? People make random Town claims all the time, especially at the beginning of games. There's no reason to point it out as being alignment-indicative, and there's no reason to point it out as sounding "prepared."
On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:Two I already explained that by prepared post I meant he prepared his post before posting it, not that he prepared his post before the game. And I've repeatedly asked you to tell us in what way his post looks "prepared" instead of being off-the-cuff instant reactions, that he put to the page as soon as he had the thought. And you haven't been able to do it.
On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote: Three See the point 1&2; never changed my story. Yes you did. You changed your story in both of those instances. What you've told us is that your story never changed inside your own head. But we can't know whether that's actually true or not, because we can't see inside your head. All we can see is what you've typed. And what you've typed DID change. Both times.
On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:Fournoobking said this: Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote: 3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them? In this post he's asking why I thought NM's prepared post was necessarily scum indicative. NO. That is NOT what I ask you there. This is you misrepresenting my position. Again, right now. And I called BS when you did it before, and I'm calling BS on it now. If you were a Town player, I don't see how you could be reading my posts and trying to understand why I'm scumreading you, and then still display this level of willful ignorance. The only way your inability to comprehend makes any sense to me is if you're NOT trying to understand what I'm saying, because you don't care about what I'm saying, because you already know your allegiance, and mine, and everyone else's.
Obviously I am not having much luck in getting people to see the scummy behavior in you that I see. No one else is voting for you, and rayn and ruXxar have basically said that there's no way they would participate in a lynch on you today. So really, I've just been waiting for an excuse to take my vote off of you. I've been watching and looking for just ONE decent counter-argument from you, that would give me at least a little bit of pause, so that I could feel comfortable putting you on the backburner for now, instead of feeling like you are the best lynch today. I've just wanted you to say ONE thing to me that sounds like it would come out of a Town player's mouth. But you either won't do it, or can't do it. EVERY single thing you say to me is either a misrepresentation or a backtrack.
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On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. lol! How can you try to say that his remarks were prepared before he posted them, and also try to say that he didn't have to think about them before he posted them? This is like the 4th time you've gotten yourself tangled up in a self-contradiction already.
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On July 25 2015 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:On July 25 2015 02:59 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 23:47 Rels wrote:Useful list of useless peopleSulfurusTicktockIf one of the two still hasn't contribute something tomorrow, I'll push for his lynch very hard. Can probably add Flexes Yeah liked his first posts but he really needs to come back. i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread. i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished. It has been around 15 or so hours. You finished soon? Yeah, I had the same thought when it was only 7 hours instead of 15. Does this feel at all like "too scummy to actually be scum" to you? Have you seen scum players around here actually doing something like this?
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On July 26 2015 03:32 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why you are explaining your scum read of rayn to rayn? Because rayn asked him to. It's not like the rest of us don't get to read it too. This is kind of a dumb post, Damdred.
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On July 26 2015 04:28 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 04:24 n00bKing wrote:On July 26 2015 03:32 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why you are explaining your scum read of rayn to rayn? Because rayn asked him to. It's not like the rest of us don't get to read it too. This is kind of a dumb post, Damdred. Come on, you don't do everything your scum read asks you to do. You can't prove to them that they are scum. If you are on the fence about someone and have concerns that's one thing but his scum read looks more like an actual case than trying to figure out if someone is scum Come on, yourself. For him to tell rayn why he's scumreading him explains it to everyone else, too. Optimally, he would have already explained it when he first provided the read, but apparently, a lot of people can't be bothered to do that. There's nothing wrong with trying to convince the Town at large of your case by interacting directly with your target. That's what I've been doing with Rels, right? I'm not trying to get Rels to say "Okay, you're right. That's irrefutable proof that I am scum." I expect the other players to read what I'm saying to him.
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On July 26 2015 04:25 NocturneMage wrote: Barakos's first post - the first post that everyone's sort of gone through, besides it not really having conclusions, it has a "I'm going to wait and see" feel which is scummy. There isn't that search for information that I saw with other posts. Do you mean other posts from him? Or other posts from other players?
On July 26 2015 04:25 NocturneMage wrote:And in reading elsewhere, I would think a reaction test would be something like a fakeclaim/blue claim like happened in that game or a sharp read against what the thread is thinking, something that would actually provoke a reaction and shows alignment. Plus he also doesn't really draw alignment conclusions from that test either. Meh. He does draw conclusions from the test. His conclusions are just weak/worthless.
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n00bKing wrote: I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1. So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.
One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic.
He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up.
My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point.
Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels...
##Unvote ##Vote: Barakos
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On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction". Then IT'S NOT PREPARED.
On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: What I said is that Show nested quote + he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
And why would anyone ever care about that? Why would you even bother to mention that? Most people (if not all people) would combine those 3 thoughts into a single post, not split them out into 3 separate posts. You're being completely ridiculous. And this would mean that at least 2/3 of your original comments would be nothing that anyone would EVER care about. "Ooh, look! He claimed Town!" "Ooh, look! He combined multiple thoughts into a single post!" You expect me to believe that's what it looks like when Rels is scumhunting? Sorry buddy, I've watched you scumhunt before.
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On July 26 2015 06:50 LightningStrike wrote: Day 1 Votecount
barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar nocturnemage (0): Rels ruxxar (0): n00bKing barakas (0): Damdred rels (0): n00bKing rayn (0): ruXxar Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes Barakos is set to be lynched! You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote! Hrmm. When we lynched Scumfurus on Day 1 of the last game, it was with a 4 vs. 3 race. The complacency surrounding this 8 vs 2 race is a little troublesome, as everyone and their dog seems content to let Barakos hang, except for maybe Ticktock (who I'm townreading anyway).
Oh well. *crosses fingers*
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