TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden

On June 25 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
i expect sexual favours

On June 30 2015 04:52 marvellosity wrote:

na, you've pitched that right on my level :p

/in

someone who shall remain nameless guilted me into it

sorry dad x

On June 30 2015 06:15 marvellosity wrote:

Very happy to see you back my friend

On July 01 2015 23:30 Palmar wrote:
/confirmar

On July 04 2015 08:18 marvellosity wrote:
yeah sure, i'm good either way

On July 06 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote:


lol it mostly means if you're town you're pretty gullible, but sure

On July 06 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:


Have you played with hf before? Bit curious

On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:


lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game

daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP

On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts?

On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:


Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it?

On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far?

On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:


do you have anymore town?

On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:


ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent.

what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum?

On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:


-squints at-

lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?

On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:


what do you mean by interaction though

you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum

On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:


well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself.
but now it just tastes like pre....
well it just tastes bad you know.

On July 06 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
considering you did 0 things, waves post is 0% correct and likely mafia wave

On July 06 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:


It's a bit of a gut/tone read I have going on her. Her little spat with clarity she was a bit of a pita and her not hostility but uhhh exaggeration makes me feel it's town rd, plus the follow up makes me feel it

On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:


Please answer my question.

Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings

On July 06 2015 09:17 Damdred wrote:
Clar will you respond to the post I made please, reading it over I still reading it as you like wos town reading you rather than leaning scum.

On July 06 2015 09:21 geript wrote:

You better start caring because you're not going to lynch him because I don't get to play with him often and we're both town. So find a different lynch to push.

On July 06 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote:
On one level I really like the explanation even though it's super obvious.

On another though, you had to wait on hf to point it out and instantly sheeped it instead of taking it yourself. So it just feels weird

On July 06 2015 19:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Out of everything that has happened in the thread so far clarity, you mention marv??
Do you have any reads at all?

On July 06 2015 19:40 boxerfred wrote:
I dont like first day claims at all. just creating more confusion and more "maybes". how serious were the cop claims btw? pure lel?

On July 06 2015 19:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
What a needless sheep post clarity. None of those are serious questions lol.

On July 06 2015 20:21 boxerfred wrote:

here this one

On July 06 2015 20:23 Palmar wrote:
##vote clarity_nl

Now that we're ganging up on you, how do you feel clarity?

On July 06 2015 20:23 boxerfred wrote:
to this one:

On July 06 2015 20:48 boxerfred wrote:
well kelsier it was like this:

I read up to page 20
I skimmed through the rest till 40
I did not like the sheep that was pointed out
I remembered the first post (which I did not read too deep into before), read it and was not liking that he instabelieved the VT claim.

the overly defensive + attentionshift post was not taken into consideration for my vote. thanks for reminding me, makes me dislike him even more.

On July 06 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im not gonna bother voting in the voting thread, just assume my vote is on clarity.

Even boxer who isnt even you knows what im talking about clarity.

On July 06 2015 20:54 boxerfred wrote:
You have been following the VT claim blindly, which is sheeping.

On July 06 2015 08:38 Harkon wrote:

Please explain this statement in more detail.

On July 06 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
@Clarity: Harkon got an answer.
The only thing I'll agree on is his entry being kinda bad but that's about it.

On July 06 2015 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I explained it.

Though I'm probably gonna move it to sheep marv.

On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators.

On July 07 2015 00:29 Harkon wrote:

Since you already did this at the start of the game the chance of something like that being a scumslip is almost nonexistant. I do not understnd geripts reaction though.

On July 07 2015 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:

ok so you arent a vet.
Hm.

On July 07 2015 03:20 marvellosity wrote:
my vote is still on mafia if anyone's interested

On July 07 2015 03:27 marvellosity wrote:

what's wrong with the Trfel lynch?

On July 07 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
That's not the reason for my scumread.

And I'm not going to tell you my scumread now, because you are not getting lynched today, and I want to see if you keep doing the thing I'm scumreading you for.

On July 07 2015 04:18 Vivax wrote:


In fact I'll take the conditional away and just ask why ritoky is suddenly so important in clarity's eyes. Cause the only reason I see for such a change is that he's the main wagon.

On July 07 2015 04:27 ritoky wrote:


1-shot cop, not vig; you didn't even bother to check the op about roles?

On July 07 2015 04:35 ritoky wrote:


It is minds like this that have made it much easier to win as mafia on this website in recent times.

On July 07 2015 04:58 Holyflare wrote:
ritoky is likely town, it is what it is, just move on

On July 07 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote:

evasive bullshit. whats your read on ritoky? town or not town?

On July 07 2015 05:16 Harkon wrote:

If he legitimately believed this was instant majority then it is not as dumb as it looks at first sight even though he should have looked that up before claiming.

On July 07 2015 07:08 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
BONUS BLUE HUNT EDITION

ritoky was on my bluedar prior to the claim, im inclined to believe him.
Kelsier is on BlueWatch, slightly less abrasive posting style and trying to act stupid at points, could also be an attempt by his ego to think he might actually get nightkilled night one in this game and is preserving himself (?) weird playstyle so far
Oatsmaster is always a blue role so naturally he is on the watch list

Rest of my reads are unimportant at this point as there isnt really anything concrete just little notes and stuff

On July 07 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
ok i totally retract this entire line of reasoning

On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote:


no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from.

I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go.

I already didn't like this:



Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game.

On July 06 2015 20:53 boxerfred wrote:

that's a lie, page 16-21 are not all about your entry post. they are about a bit of "lel that claim", lots of shittalking and other stuff. nothing on you sheeping the VT claim.

On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting".

It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday.

Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia.

On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:
I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not.

Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight.

On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:
In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.

On July 07 2015 21:48 boxerfred wrote:
Clarity, why do you claim the lie I caught you at, then say just now that you "tried to go away from the claim" although you said it's interesting in the first place? Makes no sense.

On July 07 2015 22:02 boxerfred wrote:
Oh wow.

##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster

On July 07 2015 22:21 Harkon wrote:
Marv, I am too lazy to check his past games - does clarity's towngame usually consist of giving out loads of weak townreads and no scumreads?

On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.

I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.

The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.

The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.

The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.

TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.

This guy is scum vot ehim.

On July 08 2015 00:20 marvellosity wrote:

why is ruxxar a maybe and scott isn't there at all, for example?

On July 08 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:

Nobody went with you on WoS. Hardly an easy vote to keep.

FINALLY SOMEONE DOESNT SCUMREAD ME.

Why are you scumreading vivax?

On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim?

or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be?

On July 08 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote:

what's mechanical about it?

it's one-shot and mafia will have a RBer and no other target.

On July 08 2015 00:29 Harkon wrote:

???
You think he is misrepresenting you and the rest of your defense also does not indicate that you like the case. What about it makes him town?

On July 08 2015 00:35 Damdred wrote:
Honestly we should stop scatter gunning the conversation and focus on a couple of people to decide t o lynch, majority sucks honestly but we have to work within it.

On July 08 2015 00:46 marvellosity wrote:

you go

"good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the votes"

On July 08 2015 04:29 ritoky wrote:
i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff.

On July 08 2015 04:43 Harkon wrote:
The obvious benefit of not lynching into them is of course that scum can only rb one of them probably. So, if both of them claim rb tomorrow we can be sure that there is a mafia between them and if for some reason both of them are town they basically need to shoot one of them.
The problem is that we are not lynching into a pool of 2 people that likely contains mafia.

On July 08 2015 04:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Do you guys really think mafia makes this post?

On July 08 2015 04:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


It is literally the exact opposite of desperate.
What you think town should be doing and what town actually does are two completely different things.

On July 08 2015 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


No, I don't really think so.
Martyring almost always comes from town.

On July 08 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
anyone wanna do some crazy shenanigans onto people that nobody has mentioned for ages? :D

On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote:
I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads).

On July 08 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote:
This game is insane, at the start of the day with plenty of room to do things, some people go nuts about Trfel. When at the end of the day it turns out he didn't deliver jack for real, they start lynching into cop claims.

On July 08 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote:







anyone else see what I see.

On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

forgot the game started homes my bad

I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens.

In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip.

On July 08 2015 06:30 Harkon wrote:

You typed /confirm and then forgot?

On July 08 2015 06:33 geript wrote:
Even I doubt we can get 12 on BM.

On July 08 2015 06:34 LightningStrike wrote:

I have a weird feeling that MZ is town based on how fast and little resistant the wagon has been.

On July 08 2015 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It's very easy to defend me because they know I will flip green. I haven't gotten to the point where people started calling for my death but I'd be suspicious of people who soft defended me.

On July 08 2015 06:39 geript wrote:
10 minutes to get 11 votes on BM

On July 08 2015 06:40 Breshke wrote:
Okay so who is actually here who is willing to switch could switch to BM

ME hf geript Marv LS rsoul harkon MZ

That's 8 am I missing anyone?

On July 08 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
if you're here, switch to bm it's quite simple

if it gets to 5 mins left and we don't have enough go back to mz

On July 08 2015 06:47 rsoultin wrote:


stupid question

more importantly, i don't think we have enough. we should probably switch back?

On July 08 2015 06:54 milo109 wrote:
Sigh. I think MZ is a much better lynch. I'm here to switch as need be though.

On July 08 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
We have 14.

98% sure BM flips wanderer though

On July 08 2015 06:58 boxerfred wrote:
this is bullshit and not fun at all. If I ever get to host a game, I'll make clear beforehand that a certain level of AFK will get you a 3 game ban or so.

On July 08 2015 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also clarity is mafia.

On July 08 2015 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
let's switch to trfel

heh


heh

On July 08 2015 07:02 ruXxar wrote:




The absolute worst that could happen is a no-lynch.
I was not taking any chances.

On July 08 2015 07:50 ruXxar wrote:


He flipped wanderer.

On July 08 2015 15:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Eh, maybe.
I want to see what he says about it. I feel like there's probably a reason behind it but I'm unaware of what it is.

On July 08 2015 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I rethought it and I think that it could be.

On July 08 2015 15:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I did the same already. I think his votes are nonsensical and scummy.
Oats already quoted the first bit where he voted MZ because he signed up and forgot and that made him mafia somehow (lol).

On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:

Also,
"im happy lynching town".

Mr Clarity.

On July 08 2015 16:02 Oatsmaster wrote:

How about he knew that his posts meant absolutely nothing and werent gonna convince anyone.

On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

TMI.
You dont know whether MZ is town.

On July 08 2015 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

Are you even looking at the votes? BM got lynched by a huge margin in the end.

On July 08 2015 17:16 Vivax wrote:


Pretty formulaic explanation and also disregards BM's claim entirely. Not impressed here.

On July 08 2015 18:07 Oatsmaster wrote:

But MZ is town because he didnt switch when he didnt need to switch.
That makes perfect sense.

Actually I just wanna ask you, as of now, would you prefer that we lynched MZ instead?

On July 08 2015 18:31 marvellosity wrote:
Really fucking hate people who bitch about lynches while not giving a fuck about it themselves.

makes me want to shoot them in the face.

On July 08 2015 18:33 marvellosity wrote:

no it was at EBD, fairly obviously.

and no i didn't do anything about the switch, do you expect me to have massively persuasive arguments in favour/against either MZ or BM?

On July 08 2015 23:45 boxerfred wrote:

Hm marv said the same but I don't see it. Please point it out to me why exactly he is "the towniest town that ever towned". If that's so obvious it should be easy to do so, right?

Another question: you did realize that I currently give HF a town lean and only go back to EOD because I want to solidify that read and hope to maybe find something that gives me a clue about marv? I mean marv should look townie to me at this point but I have a hard time believing it all. Can't give reasons for that sadly, more a feeling I guess.

On July 08 2015 23:46 boxerfred wrote:

Another thing is that you say "without meta" well without meta my points on kelsier are rather invalid. So you might consider to check his town meta in Himalaya with his meta in here and drop an opinion on that.

On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:

i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*

On July 09 2015 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

Is there any reason why you profiled these people?

On July 09 2015 03:57 ruXxar wrote:
@clarity: if I said I wanted to shoot HF tonight, would you be upset?

On July 09 2015 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
morning everyone, I still want to lynch milo since nothing he's written has in any way seemed townie.

I also think Wave is probably scum skating under the radar.

discuss

On July 09 2015 04:26 Harkon wrote:
It's the "why would I do this as scum?" argument you love to make as mafia and you made better ones than this as mafia. You would basically do anything as scum and if you think I believe you wouldn't push one townie over another then you are pretty stupid.

On July 09 2015 04:27 ruXxar wrote:


I'm curious of how upset you would be if HF died.

On July 09 2015 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
don't *believe* the milo push. esp over ritoky.

On July 09 2015 05:31 Harkon wrote:
MZ = best vig shot.

On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.

Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on

kelsier/breshke/obi

On July 09 2015 06:10 marvellosity wrote:

hahahaha

On July 09 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:

*cough*

On July 09 2015 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I disagree. I've got townleans on the other two there.
Marv not being in it is weird but I'd wager he still has a townread on Marv anyhow.

On July 09 2015 06:54 boxerfred wrote:

blablabla scummy

start doing something, you're not moving from my scum reads anytime soon.

On July 09 2015 07:30 Harkon wrote:

Yes. We are probably lynching ritoky today but I am also looking forward to this.

On July 09 2015 07:33 Harkon wrote:

I do, but you think scum leaves 2 claimed cops alive? Come on. Even if the way both claims happened wasn't suspicious in itself that would be quite unbelievable.

On July 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh we are never not lynching you ever.

On July 09 2015 08:32 geript wrote:
Not really. There are actually a variety of possibilities floating around in my head of possibilities.

For example, Ritoky could have been delivering a hit. Ritoky could have been receiving a hit. Neither of which lead to Damdred being mafia. Like there's even a bizarro world where all four are town.

Sure he could be RB, but he could also be rolecop. Like the milo/MZ/Damdred world looks all nice and pretty, but it's just that. It fits and it makes the most sense to me currently, but I really couldn't care less about it. It also doesn't actually tell me which one I want to lynch.

Plus I'm guessing that at least 1 more person has something interesting to add to the picture (hopefully). Since it would be fitting to have a third 1-2 shot investigative role around. I just hope it's not oats because he never uses his role.

On July 09 2015 08:45 Harkon wrote:

????

On July 09 2015 09:00 Harkon wrote:

He already claimed 2-shot.

-Scenario 1 is incredibly unlikely.
-Scenario 2 is incredibly unlikely.
-Scenario 3 is likely true.

On July 09 2015 09:42 ruXxar wrote:


I thought you were a pr yesterday and tried to tell oats to back off.



Classic oats.

On July 09 2015 09:45 ruXxar wrote:


What do you mean? What's bad about claiming VT?

On July 09 2015 09:49 Breshke wrote:
So if damdred is mafia does that mean milo is mafia?

Or could there be two mafia RB with this many roles I'm not sure

On July 09 2015 09:51 Clarity_nl wrote:


Pretty much. On the other hand if damdred somehow flips JK I think milo is likely town and ritoky scum.

But I expect damdred to flip scum.

On July 09 2015 07:41 milo109 wrote:
Red on Clarity.

On July 09 2015 07:53 milo109 wrote:
I was roleblocked by the way. I got reactions from the two I wanted. I'll post my thoughts after dinner.

On July 09 2015 11:14 milo109 wrote:
OK... Well. I'll look out at the reactions later. First I need to figure out this Damdred stuff. The problem is I think I might even believe Ritoky. Which means Damdred would have to be mafia. But I was RBed. Almost has to be by mafia. Which means Damdred is town. Okay. Ritoky is like confirmed mafia in my world. But that claim is so odd. Whatever. Get to see the lynch.

Quick note, as to why I reaction tested Clarity in particular, I thought he was the most scummy after MZ and HF. Hoped to see confirmation. But that is totally thrown out of whack by this.

So I never get a check this entire game btw. Ugh.

On July 09 2015 12:06 milo109 wrote:
Lol. What if Ritoky is mafia and Damdred is bad town and managed to somehow stop a kp. I know. It didn't happen. But would be hilarious.

On July 09 2015 11:26 milo109 wrote:
Geript will probably die in the night. Either Damdred is JK or you people lynch me.

On July 09 2015 12:24 milo109 wrote:


Bro. My fate is tied to yours. Of course I'm defending you. You're just making it hard.