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On July 07 2015 20:45 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:41 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity? The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning.
In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info.
##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical. Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier.
my conclusion was that it makes Clarity mafia, except my evidence was incorrect.
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the post i quoted is the only one where he actually says why he thinks clarity is town and he still doesnt have a reason.
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On July 07 2015 20:46 Palmar wrote:This may be remembered as the worst read in the history of TL but the fact marv didn't bother to actually fact check that his case wasn't complete and utter shit makes me think he's probably town. I'm literally giving him a townread for failing 
it's a good basis for a read tbh.
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Wait now I'm confused....you're still saying that clarity's vote/unvote thing is scummy correct? Couldn't tell what you were referring to regarding the retracting part.
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Never mind, Marv you ninjaed me. Alright xD
Now back to reading...
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read my post HtS. Marv case was based on something not existing that in fact did exist.
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I still dont think clarity has any reason to unvote WoS considering the only thing WoS expanded on his townread on clarity is that either clarity is shit or is not shit.
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I feel so useful right now.
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On July 07 2015 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
I still dont think clarity has any reason to unvote WoS considering the only thing WoS expanded on his townread on clarity is that either clarity is shit or is not shit.
the point was that Clarity was voting Wave for TMI, but in the posts that Palmar showed, Wave was showing doubt about Clarity's alignment.
So at the very least it does make logical sense
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On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together?
Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that.
On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
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On July 07 2015 20:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:45 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:41 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity? The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. My point is this. So Clarity voted Wave at some stage. Wave originally said "clarity is town, tryhard as fuck" later when asked to elaborate on the read by HF, he said That's all that Wave says on Clarity. Clarity goes on to unvote Wave because "he talked a little about his townread on me" so he doens't like the lynch? How on earth is that Wave talking about the townread at all? This is the original reason Clarity voted Wave: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
geript, still happy with your vote? Would love to have some reasoning.
In the mean time, WoS gave me a very lazy townread. I'd like to think I always look townie but not a lot of people seem to agree at this point so it smells like he has extra info.
##Vote WaveOfShadow And then Clarity unvotes Wave because Wave says "narp not gonna elaborate" with the explanation that Wave explains the read ? Really? ... Are you saying clarity is scum and in a team with WoS and they're playing pretty badly? Or are you "only" saying that clarity's unvote does not make any sense, is weak and has no reasoning? What's your conclusion? so look at the 4 quotes i just posted in order. Clarity votes in post #2. Wave's only comment on Clarity afterwards is #3 Clarity unvotes in #4, look at the reason. it's nonsensical. Yes! But that being nonsensicel is "only" the observation. There's no conclusion. Like, if you say, "my window is wet", you observe it. The conclusion would be "well, it's raining". So what's your conclusion? Scum? Bad town play? Especially in light of the points I brought up against him earlier. my conclusion was that it makes Clarity mafia, except my evidence was incorrect.
Which sucks. I fear that the beautiful train will now derail.
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Wait I lost it. Can someone summarize how much of the "nonsensical unvote" thing is still valid?
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No clarity can still be mafia for thinking HF claiming is interesting.
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On July 07 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
I still dont think clarity has any reason to unvote WoS considering the only thing WoS expanded on his townread on clarity is that either clarity is shit or is not shit.
the point was that Clarity was voting Wave for TMI, but in the posts that Palmar showed, Wave was showing doubt about Clarity's alignment. So at the very least it does make logical sense
I thought clarity thought Wave was mafia for not explaining his townread on clarity, so TMI.
Then wave didnt really explain it further anyway, but clarity unvoted. Wave's reason for Clarity to be town wasnt even referring to the HF vt post in the first place, it was the "effort".
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On July 07 2015 20:50 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together? Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
so your list only has 3 real mafia and one town then?
also, are clarity and wave mafia together?
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On July 07 2015 10:40 milo109 wrote:Alright... Explanations for my reads. First of all, I've played one game. That game I happened to be scum and won. Perhaps my opening strategy is not indicative of alignment, as you have nothing to compare it to. I've not had as much time to devote to the game as I would like, so I threw out my gut reads. The game is hard when you're town. Almost everything is justifiable in one way or the other, which makes it hard to find certainty. I read this: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:01 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 milo109 wrote:
Holy Crap this game is big. like my dong Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote:
Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote:
It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. He usually waits to start calling people trash.
Did anyone pick up on this at the time?
So in milo's last game (as mafia) he voted ritoky for fucking around, because he "didn't like his playstyle"
and he kinda just admits it with the line starting "this is mildly amusing" - like "lol, i did this as mafia and i'm doing it again!"
i'm not sure i buy it. if he's town here then he knows that that kind of entrance is actually townie (given that he was jumping on a townie last game as mafia). So why is he jumping on kelsier here?
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On July 07 2015 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:50 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 20:43 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is hf bussing trfel boxer?
Where am I saying that? Assuming you mean this here: ...Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. ... I'm not saying I'm bussing, all it is is a comparison. Is that enough or should I elaborate? well they are both in your scumlist and you didnt say that if one was mafia the other was town. Is that the case? Can they both be mafia together? Hm, good question. I think there's nothing like "If a on my list is scum, b on my listis town" yet. I can see the technical possibility in a HF + Trfel team but I don't have any indicators towards that. On July 07 2015 20:37 boxerfred wrote:
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clarity_nl (voted on)
WaveOfShadow
Trfel
Holyflare
My read on HF is admittedly the weakest because it's a lot of #tinfoilhat stuff.
Trfel is on the brink on martyring and made a claim that isn't too great, however I'd prefer to not lynch into un-cc'ed blue.
WaveOfShadow has not put in any effort, spits out oneliners and is not contributing at all.
so your list only has 3 real mafia and one town then? also, are clarity and wave mafia together?
Read my posts before you ask such questions. However, I'll just answer one more time:
- no, my list has 4 real mafia. HF is only the weakest read, that is all.
- I have no idea if clarity and wave are mafia together. There's at least nothing that would make me thing "if wave is scum, clarity is town" or vice versa.
You can easily get such information from my post.
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ebwop: "think" instead of "thing"
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idk I remember thinking milo was town.
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