EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 96
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milo109
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boxerfred
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On July 07 2015 19:40 marvellosity wrote: he's right in that there's no consistent thread and push to your play. he's also right that people always think you're much scummier when you're town. i don't remember you irritating me very much this game. normally you're extremely irritating. what does that relate to? | ||
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marvellosity
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i am talking to oats about geript's read on oats | ||
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boxerfred
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On July 07 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote: if we're talking about the post on the last page, i'm not sure where in it you showed why it makes him mafia these ones, please read trough them. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2015 18:00 boxerfred wrote: no it's not. note: thus far I only caught up to page 76 which is where I quoted that post from. I hunted blues in my second game (trying to find masons). I did that as town and I went down the full newbie road. Bluehunter is saying nothing all game long. Then he comes up with that huge post, not being very solid, not following up on anything, but, well, going for blue roles. He's a smurf who called himself bluehunter. I don't buy the "he might be a newb" thing at all, no way, no. Instead, my tinfoilhat senses tell me that he throws that out, wanting people to exactly think what HF just said. like, "you wouldn't do that as mafia". Erm, of course you would. That's the same thought that is behind bussing a teammate. Do something that seemingly does not make sense for your alignment, wait for some naive town to point it out (or a teammate to point it out if no town member does it) and boom, there you go. I already didn't like this: Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same. We find this pattern of seemingly naive and honest posts in Bluehunter's as well as in Holyflare's playstyle in this game. On July 07 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote: Finished reading. I don't like HF. The scum lean I explained already, plus what HtS says (not sheeping it, but if we lynch HF and he flips scum, HtS is basically confirmed town for me for the quoted post). In addition to those things, he was responsible for like 1 million posts that were just stupid fight posts. I don't like that, it's artificially lengthens the thread, makes his filter hard to read and derails town efforts. I'm fine with lynching HF. Thing is, nothing really happened that would make me not vote clarity_nl, my points against him still stand. At this point, there's not too much on him so I'll let go of him but keep him in mind. ##vote Holyflare HF, I'd like to ask some things. a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting? b) Who are your top scum reads? c) What do you think about Bluehunter? as a tl;dr - I don't buy the naive claim - I don't buy the "bluehunter is not scum because he's hunting blues in the public" - The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player - his shitfights | ||
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boxerfred
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"The conjunction of those two things make me extremely suspicious of HF because I think he's an experienced player" who I see capable of pulling such plays. | ||
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marvellosity
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re: the initial claim - i hadn't read the OP before i got my role PM. So i don't think it's a stretch to assume HF didn't either. | ||
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marvellosity
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Palmar
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I like milo I sortof like breshke I do not like scott | ||
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marvellosity
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anyone agree/disagree? | ||
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marvellosity
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On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##Unvote This is really really weird. Wave really did no such thing. I can't possibly understand how this can be the basis for an unvote. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote: I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. Here it is. Initially I read this post because Breshke was throwing around weird "general" type accusations like: "His reads list was lackluster" "some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out" "But it feels like he is reaching" Like this is why I'm only half liking breshke even though I sorta like his case. This is the type of accusations people make when they don't know what they should be saying. But it's both conceivable that Breshke made this shit up as mafia, and that he simply doesn't quite know how to present his findings as town. As almost an afterthought I read scott's post that Breshke highlighted and it's really a terrible post. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that it seems rather unlikely that scott would try to call out the entire mafia team like that if he is mafia. So... as I write this I'm officially waffling. idk what to think about either of them. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 07 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote: Wave isn't a bad lynch. I can't point to a single post in his filter that i don't think he could easily make as mafia. anyone agree/disagree? Didn't know wave was playing but he was really obvious mafia last time I played with him, I'll actually read some. | ||
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marvellosity
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On July 07 2015 20:18 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda going through filters in a terribly haphazard way. This is really really weird. Wave really did no such thing. I can't possibly understand how this can be the basis for an unvote. i'm just going to quote myself because i think this is really notable and i'd like to know if i'm alone in this, it could be pretty important. | ||
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Palmar
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It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday. Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote: The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. This guy is town hero btw, I think I already said so. Found this looking for the clarity/WoS thing. But to be fair, WoS did try to somewhat defend Clarity. Although I don't know if that's exactly what marv meant with his thing. | ||
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milo109
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On July 07 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i'm just going to quote myself because i think this is really notable and i'd like to know if i'm alone in this, it could be pretty important. That is odd. Someone town reading you is not a reason to do the same. Mafia do have to town read town. | ||
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Palmar
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On July 07 2015 20:29 milo109 wrote: That is odd. Someone town reading you is not a reason to do the same. Mafia do have to town read town. That's super situational though. If someone townreads you for the right reasons it makes you feel super warm and fuzzy. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote: Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting". It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday. Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads! So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment. I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that. ##unvote ##vote clarity_nl | ||
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milo109
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On July 07 2015 20:30 Palmar wrote: That's super situational though. If someone townreads you for the right reasons it makes you feel super warm and fuzzy. Meh. Town shouldn't be playing to stay alive but rather to find mafia(unless a power role). | ||
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