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Your whole "fuck you holyflare" was totally blown out of proportion and silly, you are complaining that nothing is happening "because of hf" yet you aren't actively trying to do anything yourself. You have silly impossible town reads on people (me) while people are constantly telling you otherwise, in fact JAT told you that my scum read on Obi was entirely fictitious and you didn't bat an eyelid and still called me towny. You keep saying i'm town based on nothing and won't ever look at my mafia games to tell you otherwise and are constantly saying you'll check but never do. You have a lot of questions and stuff saying "gj" but not much content yourself other than little side remarks on people.
Despite JAT saying my read on Obi was fictitious and HtS telling you otherwise you still made a scenario where you would base your read on Obi on my flip. That is both irrational and silly (scummy) because you can just go "oh look what hf said must be true let's lynch obi!" A lot of your play has been similar to all the things I have just mentioned.
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On July 16 2015 07:38 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Your whole "fuck you holyflare" was totally blown out of proportion and silly, you are complaining that nothing is happening "because of hf" yet you aren't actively trying to do anything yourself. You have silly impossible town reads on people (me) while people are constantly telling you otherwise, in fact JAT told you that my scum read on Obi was entirely fictitious and you didn't bat an eyelid and still called me towny. You keep saying i'm town based on nothing and won't ever look at my mafia games to tell you otherwise and are constantly saying you'll check but never do. You have a lot of questions and stuff saying "gj" but not much content yourself other than little side remarks on people.
Despite JAT saying my read on Obi was fictitious and HtS telling you otherwise you still made a scenario where you would base your read on Obi on my flip. That is both irrational and silly (scummy) because you can just go "oh look what hf said must be true let's lynch obi!" A lot of your play has been similar to all the things I have just mentioned. I was gonna do work but then you martyred so now I'm just policy lynching you. Are you gonna play? There's plenty of time still. JAT said the case was wrong but I disagree *shrug*
How does me martyring excuse you from playing the game? This is the second time in a row that you have used this excuse to dodge doing anything productive and the last time that happened the town cop milo died. A locked in martyr policy lynch does not stop you from getting scum reads and playing the game, especially as you have telegraphed that I am going to flip town numerous times.
How can you simply disagree with JAT when my case was partly based on meta which JAT said Obi does as town? HtS has also given you games to compare it in and you STILL maintain that you like it? I don't believe that in the slightest. It's simply another case of you disregarding actual facts from other games and meta for no reason and it's pretty scummy.
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On July 15 2015 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:38 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
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i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me. Seriously though I think HF is totes town. I literally just told you that Hf does every single thing you said makes him town as mafia. He is on record as doing so and your points on him being town are bad. Why is he so town to you, like really?
^ this is the exact point i'm making basically
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Obiwan is probably also mafia for my case and the fact that he's super hedged on me despite calling me scum all the time last night and seeing me "clearly misrepresent his meta" and he's only not voting me because there's a wagon on me? That's super bs too. Don't listen to HtS his filters are lies.
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I fully intended to absolutely not post again.
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Man I just read obi's filters from his other games and this is exactly like his mafia game? There is no way he defends so many people so many times in his town games, he's super unsure and lost and a lazy pile of crap in town games and free town reads, silly defences and questions in mafia games. Just like here.
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i think it's certainly enough, keep defending your mafia partner though! defending town and soft pushing his mafia partners all game and just sheeping along and dodging afk town lynches seems pretty mafia to me
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On July 16 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:36 Holyflare wrote:
i think it's certainly enough, keep defending your mafia partner though! defending town and soft pushing his mafia partners all game and just sheeping along and dodging afk town lynches seems pretty mafia to me ah so i'm mafia again in hf-world ^^ good to know. do you want me to bother looking into your case or not? xP
you actually always have been i just lied so people wouldn't be whiney bitches about me clogging up the thread about you, I don't think you've done anything at all for the past 3 cycles but comment on people's posts and do nothing
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On July 08 2015 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also clarity is mafia.
On July 08 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm inclined to agree that sparing MZ was the correct play.
Someone who defends themselves is always more valuable than someone that doesn't play.
Anyhoezels.
I can back a Clarity lynch tomorrow.
EBH should be on the list as well.
I have my doubts about Harkon.
The cop claims are likely to resolve themselves with time, so who cares even.
On July 08 2015 13:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have literally 0 interest in even discussing MZ anymore.
I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves.
Clarity is mafia. Discuss.
On July 08 2015 14:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ruxx, talk to me about someone else for now.
Talk to me about clarity or EBH.
Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore.
On July 08 2015 14:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I was going to go for Clarity because the reasoning behind almost all of his votes was completely awful.
I guess that works too.
Show me where it happened and why it's scummy?
On July 15 2015 04:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Clarity, I literally cannot be fucked listening to a person who doesn't read the thread.
Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist.
On July 15 2015 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:38 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:
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i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me. Seriously though I think HF is totes town. I literally just told you that Hf does every single thing you said makes him town as mafia. He is on record as doing so and your points on him being town are bad. Why is he so town to you, like really?
On July 15 2015 05:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I probably should have probed at clarity harder night 1.
I knew the points he was making on other people day 1 were garbage then too.
Oh wells. I'm heading to work. I'll try to check in as much as I can until later but I don't suspect that I'll be able to.
On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that.
So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it.
I can't find any.
Bleh.
So he scum reads clarity all game and see's clarity hard defending me but there's evidence against me that points to me looking scummy that clarity ignores. For all the reasons obi should be scum reading clarity still but does he? no, it's completely disappeared and the ONLY scum read he has is EBH? After saying he can't find mafia too!
After having absolutely no read on me, I pointed out previously how obi's scum read on me randomly appears out of nowhere. Then all of these posts happen:
On July 15 2015 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 03:41 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 03:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous I'm working under the assumption that he could be town, not the fact that he is town. Try harder. If you say so. You also haven't called me mafia the entirety of the game. I've searched your filter for hf/holyflare/holy etc and i've only ever come up for you to say nothing towards you and no it's suddenly "hf is scum so who gives a shit" and "hf is possibly mafia" and "hf is mafia"???? none of this is logical in the slightest, reading through your filter is actually enlightening because this is the first time i've actually been bothered to do it all game and it's absolutely littered with defences of people, little bits of unintuitive tmi in regards to people's alignments and reactions that don't quite make sense with the information you can see i'll probably make a case on you at some point but i'm fairly sure you are mafia You might want to get that out before the end of tonight because I'm shooting you.
On July 15 2015 04:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
How has Hf been useful, exactly?
It's such an excuse to read someone as town I swear.
On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is?
On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ???
On July 15 2015 05:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons.
On July 15 2015 05:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
I mean i don't think i've ever mentioned that you're omgusing people as a way to call you scummy this entire game, where does that feature in my read and why are you mentioning it? Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.- Anyhoezels. I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all. It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage. And your point on defenses is garbage.
On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense.
On July 15 2015 05:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues.
Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:
lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points
Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote:Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: On July 15 2015 03:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly if you get lynched at this point then you have nobody but yourself to blame. We've given you plenty of opportunities to try to make sense of things and all you do is come up with excuses to not explain things or not post.
Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open.
Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia.
Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case.
You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
Well he seems dead-set on shooting you so there's that :/.
I don't feel good about it but in a way it sort of clears up things.
LS said that he's fairly confident there's 1 mafia between you and rsoul, so if you flip green then we're probably going to lynch rsoul I hope. if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 05:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? The reasons you are townreading Hf for are bad specifically because he can do everything you said makes him town as mafia. Hf is on record knowing that I play exactly the way I'm playing now in yet he's trying to sell it now as a scumtell. It is mostly based on meta, yes, but this push is garbage to anyone who knows both of us.
On July 15 2015 06:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso go read the scum qt of my most recent newbie game to see that Hf is lying through his teeth.
On July 15 2015 07:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ebh or Hf today.
Pick one.
On July 15 2015 08:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post  lol as if ksc reading you town for bad reasons has anything to do with either of our alignments. Flail more lmfao.
For someone that says i'm flailing/lying out of my teeth/posting bull shit/misrepresenting etc etc which would make me outrageously MAFIA over EBH who he scum reads for... doing what VA does every game lol???? Why is he quite content to NOT vote me?
On July 16 2015 04:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Honestly I feel like the thread is too stagnant for this to be a 100% mafia lynch. I keep looking for reasons to not jump on this lynch but I can't find any aside from that.
So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it.
I can't find any.
Bleh.
like it doesn't make a single bit of sense in the slightest other than dodging another town lynch and is completely ass backwards from what he should be thinking in his mind about me
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On July 16 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 08:40 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote:On July 16 2015 08:36 Holyflare wrote:
i think it's certainly enough, keep defending your mafia partner though! defending town and soft pushing his mafia partners all game and just sheeping along and dodging afk town lynches seems pretty mafia to me ah so i'm mafia again in hf-world ^^ good to know. do you want me to bother looking into your case or not? xP you actually always have been i just lied so people wouldn't be whiney bitches about me clogging up the thread about you, I don't think you've done anything at all for the past 3 cycles but comment on people's posts and do nothing -snorts- if i need to put you on mute again, i will. this push of yours is retarded, baseless, clearly demonstrates you're not actually reading any of my posts, and at best just plain wrong ^^ and i've no interest sitting here fighting with you you think that you should get special treatment "oh don't say bad things about me, don't scumread me, don't you see it just antagonizes me?" yeah. i'm done treating you with kid gloves, prima dona and if you start your sniping shit whenever i try to do anything again, i will lynch you ^^
i don't particularly care, you ARE doing exactly what I said, it's not a snipe
if you think the opposite can you give me the work that you've done the past 3 cycles and how it has affected the game?
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Well it's quite a simple question that deserves an honest answer. Not an argument or anything, if you're town then I am simply wrong on you and I have actually read your filter to get to that comment. I feel like my statement is correct. If you think the opposite can you please just tell me what you think you have pushed and what you have achieved in the past 3 cycles?
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On July 16 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Well it's quite a simple question that deserves an honest answer. Not an argument or anything, if you're town then I am simply wrong on you and I have actually read your filter to get to that comment. I feel like my statement is correct. If you think the opposite can you please just tell me what you think you have pushed and what you have achieved in the past 3 cycles?
I'm just going to repaste this because I cannot be more civil than I am already being. If you are town then it would be more than helpful to stop me calling you mafia and perhaps help me to look in other directions if you were just to succinctly paraphrase your play to me in a few sentences such as:
- I have done x yesterday
- when y happened I thought this and pushed it!
I am in no way being antagonistic here. I have read your filter and yes, you are at the forefront of everything but then so am I and people are calling me mafia. Why does that matter at all? The simple answer is that it's easy for high activity players to be at the forefront of everything because all they have to do is comment on things. I think you have done a LOT of commenting and not a lot of anything else (namely pushing scum reads). That is shown by today how you have defaulted to my lynch while calling me town but have not concluded who the mafia team are or are doing any intuitive digging like I would expect you to be doing as town, in fact it looks like your mafia play where you get lazy and just comment on things and I think this has been indicative of your play for the past few cycles.
So, in the interest of fairness I would like you to evaluate your own play to ME simply because I am interested to hear it. Please.
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In the interest of openness I can show you how my read on you has actually never disappeared and I just kept it on the down-lo to appease people and not shit up the thread, which proved meaningless anyway because I was in a bad mood but alas, here I am anyway.
On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay!
I also felt the same way last cycle about you:
On July 14 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Scott posting in newbie game and not here so not bad shot. Trfel is playing the most abysmal game ever. Not bad shot. Rsoul not done anything past 2 cycles. Good shot. Ebh lying about events pretty good shot. Wouldn't be surprised if mafia in oats/obi
On July 14 2015 22:15 Holyflare wrote:I mean i understand you guys are mad jelly over my milo reading skills. It's understandable. Anyway I'm just gonna call rsoul town forever and if she's in lylo kill her makes poeing easier too
^ is where I started trying to appease people
So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely).
^ yet still have you in my list
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I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right?
On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you?
On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip
It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later:
On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game.
On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up.
To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway.
Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town?
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I've ignored everything you have said to me for the past few cycles, it's as simple as that. I did not want to start any more nonsense. I don't think his game play was anything alike to his last game at the start of the game. I made that abundantly clear to you. Marv also agreed and so did Vivax. I have not ignored it in the slightest. I think he took the correct stance on you day 1 and upon re-reading my filter along with his, his push was indeed a good one on you because I was far better looking than I originally thought.
I have not read his filter in the past cycle or two, no, but being lazy/not at a computer for a week and a combination of my early town read based on his play made me avoid him.
Sure, he might be mafia and I certainly haven't put him in my town list like you are implying I am doing. I literally just said I do not have a read on him to Breshke while you attack me for something completely opposite.
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On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at?
Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it.
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On July 16 2015 10:10 Trfel wrote:
Also, Holyflare, did you have any reasons for possibly suspecting Harkon of being mafia?
Yes, everytime I pushed something or said something he was there repeatedly to discredit me at every occasion. The milo push on n1, he was telling me alternatives to dissuade me from it. He was also shutting down every explanation I gave for my OWN thought process in regards to the MZ/BM lynch day 1 and bypassing it all and just calling me scum repeatedly instead as if I didn't know what my own thought process was. When I was scum reading you and dissecting your case on me and saying how you could possibly not believe it he was at the forefront of the anti-holyflare brigade shouting "defence, defence! scummy defence!" instead of talking through the points like a rational person (clarity also did this too). When I was starting to think Milo was town he was just afking and randomly interjecting with "HF stop questioning him!" instead of trying to solve the game or think about Milo's alignment at all. When I asked people to stop scum reading me for a bit/a cycle so I could post cases and see if I could get people to town read me again after the first case I posted he decided to say all my posts were shit and I was definitely mafia and instead of talking through my points like a normal person was he was just dismissive and said "no" repeatedly, even to clarity asking for my meta. I thought at one point that my wifom scenario of JAT claiming the KP would allow him to live for quite a while all while shutting down all these things and proclaiming himself as "confirmed town" to confuse the poe for a long time. It was a massive tin foil theory though and that's the reason it's tin foil because it's so "out there"
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On July 16 2015 10:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at? Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it. Okay, I think I get what you are saying. But why would mafia not want to push a blue role? At best, you force them to claim. At worst, they adequately defend themselves. Is the towncredit for townreading a flipped blue really worth it?
What do you mean town credit? I'm just saying that if Oats was mafia he would know Geript was blue and would tell his team and geript would be dead in the night instead of random afk palmar and JAT. Especially as Geript was onto Damdred for a LOT of the game not only would it be good to relieve pressure from someone town read but also a blue shot.
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