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On July 11 2015 00:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 00:54 ruXxar wrote:lol, i was about to read through your filter and just realized it's 24 pages long -_-. On July 10 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote:
more importantly, MZ. the big scummer. Can you tell me why you think MZ is scum? didn't buy his umming and ahhing on BM when he came back his treatment of milo/ritoky made zero sense. i explained this very well tbh. angry scummy ad hom at me his posts are literally written in red
The milo/ritoky disparity is what convinced me. Then led onto milo looking like he has far too much information from scum reading MZ and everything around it.
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Not to mention I don't really think that was indicative of ritoky's play at all since he kind of stepped it up towards the end of the day.
AND i'm pretty sure he scum reads milo today but the majority of the reason WE scum read milo is because of tmi in regards to mz which means he's STICKING to that same scum read that you've written there despite ritoky being the same STILL.
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Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me.
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On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me.
I mean even if you look at my "arguments" with milo (who is not actually confirmed mafia, his posts don't actually sound too bad sometimes) they are constantly bringing up valid points about his stances not matching up to what he's said previously. Arguably, I've been doing a lot of work while people just chill out and say they'll do stuff tomorrow instead.
On July 11 2015 03:01 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. The thing is that you were insulting and shitting on players way before being ignored. And yes, I would say being overly emotional like this is alignment indicative for you.
That's not the case at all. When did I shit on players d1? I simply made an exaggerated case on Trfel to get his posts actually started and when they didn't it was a bit frustrating while another player hard defended him and kept throwing accusations my way instead. Another player that claimed miller ignored me for scum reading her with valid points? You didn't even respond to my other points on people at deadline when a lynch was already locked in. You disregarded my points on milo which are seemingly entirely valid now. Like 2 people have even talked about my rsoultin posts and all in the mean time people just keep idly saying i'm mafia because i'm annoyed. I think it's totally justified.
Please. If you think emotion is indicative then make a case because I certainly would love to hear it.
If you think i'm mafia and don't really give a shit then i'd ask that you just keep me in a list and refrain from mentioning me until you actually want to lynch me. It would be helpful if everyone did that actually because then I feel I could be far more productive (and please respond when I post something)
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Let's get back to trfel though. His case which you disregarded as his best post because it has words in it:
On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.
I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.
If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?
Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:
Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.
For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.
Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.
Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people.
The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here:
On July 07 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too  1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different
So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in.
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On July 11 2015 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
HF are you actually gonna defend milo?
after calling him mafia the entire game? clearly no
I'm just not treating him as confirmed mafia as everyone else seems to be
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On July 11 2015 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play.
But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two.
In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"? being right =/= being town. You are hardly in a position to talk about Vivax not posting. Why is that scummy? I feel like you literally are not reading my posts oats. I asked why people didn't want to lynch vivax after what he posted last night. This is not the first time I've had to clarify myself for you when you could simply have read my posts -_- Why is what Vivax posted last night scummy? No let's do this. Do you think what he posted last night is not scummy? I think its pretty damn null. Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me. I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people.
Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today.
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On July 11 2015 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play.
But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two.
In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"? being right =/= being town. You are hardly in a position to talk about Vivax not posting. Why is that scummy? I feel like you literally are not reading my posts oats. I asked why people didn't want to lynch vivax after what he posted last night. This is not the first time I've had to clarify myself for you when you could simply have read my posts -_- Why is what Vivax posted last night scummy? No let's do this. Do you think what he posted last night is not scummy? I think its pretty damn null. Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy. On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me. I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people. Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today. You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself. For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:Let's get back to trfel though. His case which you disregarded as his best post because it has words in it: On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.
I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.
If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?
Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:
Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.
For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.
Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people. The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here: On July 07 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier? On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in. As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective. Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind. Show nested quote +If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman.
No. This is pretty much trfel's only constructed post of the game, what else is there to go on when he doesn't post? I'm not defending myself as town although that is a byproduct but is certainly not my intention. I'm asking how he can possibly believe this to be true if he is reading the thread. You say i'm yelling at scum reads and that's his point but literally in the same bolded part of the post he says I was yelling at my SCUM READ alakaslam in guardians of the galaxy as TOWN. What is the difference here? I yell at scum reads because of the simple fact that I do not know whether they are mafia or not. He even says it. Right there in the bolded.
Also, please respond to my linked thing. I think you'll find it quite enlightening that your posts complaining about me are not actually true.
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In fact I hardly see how defending myself is relevant. If I defend myself by proving a case false then that means that the case is made up and shows that the person isn't in fact reading the game properly and is trying to discredit the person. Please stop telling me to not do that. If you don't like that fact then it's as simple as just acknowledging it as meaning nothing.
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On July 11 2015 03:43 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 11 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 11 2015 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 02:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sigh. Marv just because you can't see why I liked ritoky over milo doesn't mean it isn't there. In fact if you look at everything that's happened subsequently I've been right about their play.
But if you're hell bent lynching me we'll cross that bridge in a day or or two.
In the meantime can anyone justify why they don't want to lynch vivax after the little shit he posted last night about "being lazy"? being right =/= being town. You are hardly in a position to talk about Vivax not posting. Why is that scummy? I feel like you literally are not reading my posts oats. I asked why people didn't want to lynch vivax after what he posted last night. This is not the first time I've had to clarify myself for you when you could simply have read my posts -_- Why is what Vivax posted last night scummy? No let's do this. Do you think what he posted last night is not scummy? I think its pretty damn null. Newsflash not every post scum makes is scummy. On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote:
Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me.
If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance.
I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. It's not. Be emotional that's fine. But you are very often shitting up the thread and burying important shit with your whining. You are doing this consistently. Town can definitely do this but only when they are bad. Are you bad? No one else seems to think so. So you're pushing a scum agenda in that way, and it worries me. I have looked into rsoultin just not very deeply yet, there's really no rush on it at the moment. I'd rather someone on my list do something useful so I can strengthen my reads. But townies are saying "fuck it we know the lynch so I'm afk" which allows scum to hide in that group of people. Off the top of your head what emotional shitting up the thread did I do today. You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself. For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage. On July 11 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote:Let's get back to trfel though. His case which you disregarded as his best post because it has words in it: On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote:
I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.
I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.
If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.
I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?
Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:
Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.
For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.
Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. Let's start with the bolded. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? I'm pretty sure I cased him, rsoul, hts, milo etc etc etc. So, even though I was angry at HtS and Rsoul I was still scum hunting. It's irrefutable. Then, what else is contained in that read? The dropping of reads for objectively little reason which I'm also pretty sure I did multiple times (him, hts at night but that's after this post, wave clearly disappeared from my first list, etc etc.) My list posts have been updated pretty constantly all throughout day 1. So. How can he even make this read if he has been reading the thread? I don't think i've been throwing suspicion at everyone either, sure I've been argumentative with my town reads but anger is just a thing that gets displaced onto other people. The next paragraph after that, yes I've been angry a lot but if I've dropped my town read of Trfel why does he assume he's confirmed mafia to me? He can't, it doesn't make sense. You cannot even say that I haven't been trying to point out why he's mafia to people. That's legitimately just not true in the slightest. I've been getting into fights with rsoul because I've been trying to point out scummy things and questioning them. I even made a case on his read not existing beforehand and appearing magically and then never featuring in his read on LS in the slightest here: On July 07 2015 10:50 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier? On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more. everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different So how on earth does it look like i've not been trying to show people he's mafia? It doesn't he's simply just posting things to attempt to blend in. As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective. Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind. If he believes this is the case then he is saying I did not scum hunt at all day 1 which is unarguably false, correct? No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman. Yeah, basically this. Thanks for saving me the effort.
And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.
This is where he says it get's in the way. If i'm able to make cases on 5 people and poe my list down to about 7 people then I think i'm doing pretty well in terms of scum hunting. How is it a strawman in the slightest? Arguing simply just did not inhibit my ability to scum read people at all.
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On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?
I dont think so.
Look. I don't get it. You all see this as defending myself perhaps because i've been a whiny bitch. I don't really give a crap about that at this point. I'm trying to point out scummy people and putting in the work to point them out at the moment. If you consider that defending myself then sure. I'll keep on doing that. I'm certainly not concerned about Trfel of all people scum reading me but I am concerned at how he can write that post in the way he did when it is a false representation of this game. It is scummy.
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On July 11 2015 03:47 Clarity_nl wrote:You're right Holy you haven't been shitting up shit during d2 all that much, I don't see how that means anything at the moment.
Do you think trfel is scum? Like the post you're deconstructing seems reasonable to me, I agree that he hasn't done much of anything since but does that make him scum? Dno. Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?
I dont think so.
This is what I've been getting at.
because you keep referencing me shitting up the thread when I put in work and it's pretty demotivating to me to keep seeing this when as you can see for yourself I'm actually doing things
I do think trfel is scum again. I don't believe he goes on this long doing absolutely nothing. The one thing that made me not scum read him was his defence post because I thought he'd be following it up later and that would be the start of something new. It hasn't been at all.
I mean you say it's reasonable but can you cut out quotes from the post and point out exactly what's reasonable about it?
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This is me being calm MZ. Lol.
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On July 11 2015 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:47 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?
I dont think so.
Look. I don't get it. You all see this as defending myself perhaps because i've been a whiny bitch. I don't really give a crap about that at this point. I'm trying to point out scummy people and putting in the work to point them out at the moment. If you consider that defending myself then sure. I'll keep on doing that. I'm certainly not concerned about Trfel of all people scum reading me but I am concerned at how he can write that post in the way he did when it is a false representation of this game. It is scummy. you literally are defending yourself, I dont care what skin you try and dress it up as.
Yes. In this respect in the Trfel case calling him scum relies on pointing out that the reads he is making is false. How else do you go about that without pointing out the places where those things occur or do not occur? You can't. Why is defending myself in this respect scummy if it points out that his post is scummy?
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On July 11 2015 03:53 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:47 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?
I dont think so.
Look. I don't get it. You all see this as defending myself perhaps because i've been a whiny bitch. I don't really give a crap about that at this point. I'm trying to point out scummy people and putting in the work to point them out at the moment. If you consider that defending myself then sure. I'll keep on doing that. I'm certainly not concerned about Trfel of all people scum reading me but I am concerned at how he can write that post in the way he did when it is a false representation of this game. It is scummy. you literally are defending yourself, I dont care what skin you try and dress it up as. ^^^
Do you think this is helpful to just keep pointing out things and posting one liners to agree? Why can't you do your own work and actually converse with me and find out my alignment for a change. All these interjections of "lol bus", "lol defence", "totally scummy" don't really help with someone who has been getting clearly aggravated by it does it?
Why is defending myself to point out someone's scummy post is fabricated scummy?
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On July 11 2015 03:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 11 2015 03:47 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 03:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does town HF really care this much about some not really that important scumreads on him?
I dont think so.
Look. I don't get it. You all see this as defending myself perhaps because i've been a whiny bitch. I don't really give a crap about that at this point. I'm trying to point out scummy people and putting in the work to point them out at the moment. If you consider that defending myself then sure. I'll keep on doing that. I'm certainly not concerned about Trfel of all people scum reading me but I am concerned at how he can write that post in the way he did when it is a false representation of this game. It is scummy. you literally are defending yourself, I dont care what skin you try and dress it up as. Yes. In this respect in the Trfel case calling him scum relies on pointing out that the reads he is making is false. How else do you go about that without pointing out the places where those things occur or do not occur? You can't. Why is defending myself in this respect scummy if it points out that his post is scummy? Because there isnt any need to defend yourself. I can quote like 5 points in your last page of filter where you defend yourself. you are phrasing your points more towards "I made this case earlier, you guys have been misrepresenting me", rather than, "trfel is mafia, this is why..."
SO how do I deconstruct his only other post in this thread and call him mafia then? There is literally no other way possible unless I prove it's false.
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On July 11 2015 07:11 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:17 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 08:38 geript wrote:
@HF who are your townreads.
Oh and btw Wubby is 100% town. Player List 1) Marvellosity2) Scott31337 3) WaveofShadow (filter)4) Clarity_nl (filter)5) ruXxar (filter) <--- pretty sure 12) Trfel (filter)16) KelsierSC (filter) 20) Damdred (filter)21) rsoultin (filter)24) Holyflare (filter) I'm not sure if you're right on Damdred. I'm sure you're wrong on wave. I agree about Ruxx. The big thing though is that you're wrong on Wave. He's town. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 04:14 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 03:42 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 03:41 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 03:40 Holyflare wrote:
well keep on being poop then geript, nobody is going to listen to a line of post that says 0 reasons on why someone is mafia Keep on being poop HF for not being good enough to understand my reads your attitude is pretty scummy because it looks like you're angling to be ignored while whining that you're being ignored. Nah, it's just that have no intentions of helping you guys and will ignore everyone and anyone who chooses to ignore my reads. It's a 2 way street marv. You know I tend to have very good reads early on and very strong well developed meta reads later on. Especially my townread early on are usually quite on point; exceptionally fantastically on point. It's one of the reasons why I've made a note that I still don't have a townread on Damdred. That should at least alert you to there being a problem there. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:42 geript wrote:
Not Voting (13): Scott31337, WaveofShadow, ritoky, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, milo109, Oatsmaster, Damdred, XEliteBlueHunter69X, Harkon, Clarity_nl
FWIW, there's probably a good amount of mafia in this group right here. Interesting how similar it is to my "not town reads" list. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:15 geript wrote:
Oh. And I still don't have a townread on Damdred. So I could definitely lynch him. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:53 geript wrote:
The more a Damdred posts, the more I yearn to lynch him. I'm really surprised by his desire to lynch Wave. Not because I have a townread on wave but more because he's definitely not the target Damdred would usually choose here. I don't recognize any of Damdred's thought process at all this game and as town I've been able to spot his quite early. Like I know you guys don't buy my magical reads. But they work. And Damdred isn't town. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 03:01 geript wrote:
~4 hours. I'll consolidate on Ritoky, but meh. I'd really rather lynch Oats or Vivax or Damdred or idk lots of other people. But meh. I'm pretty blah about who to lynch right now and I feel like being lazy for a bit. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 05:11 geript wrote:
Clarity_nl
Vivax
Bill Murray
Meapak_Ziphh
Trfel
ObiWanShinobi
Damdred
rsoultin
XEliteBlueHunter69X
I still think I'd rather lynch Damdred or Bill Murray. Damdred doesn't seem to be thinking anything like how he thinks as town and BM is a great fall back if we don't want to lynch into claims. Of the claims, I think Ritoky's the better lynch. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 05:18 geript wrote:
Basically here's the wagon options. If you're not on one of these, then you're not helping/mafia:
1. Ritoky--Of the claims, he's my preferred lynch. Plus he'll do anything as any alignment re: claiming. But I think he might be town from a few posts he's made
2. Damdred--Not playing his town game whatsoever. Maybe he's busy. Maybe he's trying new things. Maybe his wife's pregnant. Maybe his wife got shot again. IDK. But he's really off imo.
3. Rsoultina--I don't have a great read on her. HF thinks she's scum. I don't have a reason to townread her.
4. Bill Murray--A good D1 lynch if we can't find something better. He's been exceptionally useless and usually he says at least 1 interesting thing as town. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 06:44 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote:
geript, you said you didn't like Damdred. I went through his filter. I know a couple of people cited him for his pushes.
What is making you think he's not town? Is it his method of scumhunting? Is it his pushes on his targets (LS/Trfel/Wave, etc) or was it him dropping the LS read?
You didn't like his wave read, and Damdred is saying that wos doesn't seem to care about the game.
Are you lot thinking he's zeroing in on a pattern of "easy" lynches? I know we know the deal on LS (before he dropped it) and Trfel wasn't playing optimally regardless of what people think on him, and wos has been highly critical of his own town game. It's possible as a theory.
But I don't understand the part in your filter about "that's not whom Damdred should be choosing" as a lynch though when he goes on wave. KSC I know you found this read weird too. I'm reading the filter and I don't know if I'm missing something. So basically usually Damdred has a Damdred thought. Basically as town, he has this thought process that I can recognize. Like last game he made 1post while I was like," yep that's exactly what Damdred would push/think." And it's not there at all this game.
I was right there with you 
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Btw ls if you gave the gun to rsoul which you inevitably did because you're ls and she shoots anyone but mz (probably me) then you must promise to hunt her down as the mafia she is. MZ is incredibly likely mafia and she's been posturing hardcore to use it on me as an "oh whoops" situation.
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No i can see through your inevitable shitty mafia play and will get you lynched if you do it.
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