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On June 19 2015 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here I just needed a break from talking to some brick walls this morning mainly in KSC who is just in a deeper tunnel then the English Chanel tunnel to France -_- Also GB did misrepresent Bugs on the fact that Bugs actually didn't push lurkers in our last game together he mainly pushed me and GB last game.
@Bugs do you think that GB is scum for misrepresenting you there or is it other stuff that makes you think he's scum?
The lie is pretty big, like even though he was scum last game I don't think anyone could have misconstrued my play last game that hard to view it as pushing lurkers. However that's like one small part in the overall big picture.
The other big things, like I mentioned, are the fact that GB repeatedly says he wants things like people to talk to each other and for town to consolidate/have a good atmosphere, e.g this post:
On June 19 2015 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:
My problem here is: if you're town, you're not helping your team when you don't narrow a lynch list for today and discuss it with your townreads.
This kind of disorganisation always lead into a mislynch, since it's very easy for scum to manipulate people into voting who they want to.
Like he says not narrowing a lynch list is being anti-town, yet he just made a case on Breshke who he himself called town earlier only now to derail the thread with a case on him. Yet, he isn't encouraging people to consolidate on boxerfred, where is vote ACTUALLY is, and I somehow doubt that he'd move his vote to Breshke either because he's not dumb enough to think that people are actually going to kill Breshke today. Breshke is like bottom 4 or 5 in the list of players I would feasibly lynch today and the fact that GB thinks he is scum now is really fucking weird.
The very interesting thing about his vote on boxerfred is that it seems that his only motivations for voting him are that he didn't like his opening and that HF is voting him. If we are supposed to be reading inbetween the lines here perhaps it's also because he's a low activity player, but that is not alignment indicative, so I don't understand why he keeps going back to the argument that we should not lynch active players today.
And that's the final thing that to me seems very weird. GB seems to be overly focused on this active players shit, which as I mentioned before is not very helpful to town. You do not want to prematurely eliminate possibilities based on surface-level things like activity, because later it'll bite you in the ass when you have subconsciously eliminated a bunch of people simply because they posted a lot. On the other hand it benefits scum a lot because GB's style as scum is to post more than average, and it makes it easier for people to ignore him if everyone agrees that inactives are bad (which is not at all a controversial opinion, that's like something literally 90% of the forum would support)
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On June 19 2015 03:22 GlowingBear wrote:+ Show Spoiler [from last game] +On June 08 2015 13:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 13:41 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. This post reveals how contrived his behaviour regarding smurfing is. He admits if there is a very good player smurfing, it is benefical to town because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. In other words, he understands that there is also mafia motivation to know who the player is, so they can know how to deal with him. Why does he insist in having the disguised person figured out then? This is also horrible because if you actually needed a player's background to properly play mafia, there would be no newbie games. So, his arguments are clearly forced / fabricated, as already revealed. It's not beneficial because the town smurf can avoid a night kill. It's only beneficial when that townie actually does something, which is usually the case when they are good. Which is why I told you, if that's the case (and you would know!) you certainly don't have to reveal yourself. Your failure to recognize this point is now really damning. I have pointed it out multiple times, yet you are completely fixated on cherry picking my posts. I have invited you to provide scumreads, and invited you to answer many questions that could prove without a shadow of a doubt that you are indeed town, but repeatedly you have failed to do so. If I were scum I would shoot the person with the best reads. It's clearly not you, because you're scum. It wouldn't matter if I'm talking to Foolishness in this game (and you're certainly not him) because your logic and your behaviour is unexplainable from a town perspective. You selectively cherry pick my posts in a way that paints you in the best light, and you repeatedly attempt to undermine my arguments by calling them bad without a shred of evidence backing you up. I'm going to stop crapping up the thread with you directly now, since it's probably just going to continue to scare people off from posting...although I don't really like how slow everyone is to come in and get involved. Again, to everyone in the game: PLEASE contribute, because we need a valid and diverse set of good perspectives to win this game of elimination. On June 09 2015 02:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yamato are you ignoring me or did you just miss my post?
I don't need your opinion on FF anymore but would like to know who you dislike aside from the lurkers. I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category. This post shows that Bugs would consider lynching lurkers if he didn't have a better target. He is just having a strong scumread NOW, against me. + Show Spoiler [more from last game] +On June 09 2015 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 04:08 batsnacks wrote:On June 08 2015 15:05 Tubesock wrote:
Hi world!
Kickstart and Breshke I think are town. I actually like Freezing's response.
For the Great Smurf Debate of 2015 I don't care if Freeze outs or not. personally, I'm happy if he/she doesn't. Obviously, she's doing it for a reason pre-game. I don't get why you want to ruin that for them.
Anyway, anyone still around? Someone also said they thought foots was rsoultin before. idk, I personally wouldn't put much into that. First it was he/she and it could have been a matter of convenience to say "she". I know some people default to female pronouns when they are unsure. Even so, Tubesock could know FF's identity through some other means, e.g. they talked to a particular player and knew they were going to smurf in this game. With that said though, if Tubesock indeed does know FF's identity then it makes them both far more likely to be scum. That would be unfortunate (and rather weird, too) because I actually don't really think that's the case right now. ##unvoteGonna think for a bit, the lack of feedback from players is a little disappointing. bats, talk to me a bit. What do you think of other players in the game right now? Is this what you would expect from town yamato, onegu, Lightning? Have you played with Bill Murray before, and do you think he is town this game? You can see that he is worried about people that doesn't post much. He clearly goes for batsnacks here. I don't see this kind of attitude in this game. He was way more open minded in the last game. I think his post style here is very different.
how the fuck does the bolded mean that I would be willing to lynch people that didn't contribute?
All the bolded meant was that I wanted people to contribute so that I could determine if my tunnel was wrong. When people started appearing in the thread the thing that ensured I knew what was happening was good was when I got so much resistance to the lynch yet people continually hemmed and hawed about lynching LS. That was one of the most painful lynches ever simply because half the players in the game weren't around and the rest of them found really stupid reasons to want to lynch stutters over LS.
and the second post is literally the same fucking mentality. I was worried when people weren't responding to my case because I was so confident on it, yet it barely swayed anyone until very late in the day. That has absolutely nothing to do with me wanting to lynch inactives, which in general I do not do except as a last resort. There is no such need in this game to lynch inactive people which is why I would recommend we NOT lynch BF, because there are plenty of players who look worse than BF and on more than just the basis of activity, which in general is a shitty heuristic in the first place.
This post seems so fabricated to me and such a stretch that there is almost no way GB is town here
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ALSO I EVEN SAID THIS IN A POST HE QUOTED
I think we have two potential lynches that are far better than lurker lynches. I aould give one of them like 95% chance of turning scum. I'm wondering if you have seen any player you would put in that category.
literal fucking contradiction, GB is not even reading the posts he is quoting, he is just misrepresenting me.
100% scum
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On June 19 2015 03:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:25 KelsierSC wrote:
GB look at the bottom of the second post in the first spoiler
Yes. In a sense, if he didn't have 2 better lynches, he would go policy. He didn't have any strong scumreads in this game until now. Therefore... Do you get what I'm trying to say here? He prefers 2 players BUT he thought about plynching lurkers.
ROFL
"that's not what he said...but if he didn't say it, this is what he would've done..."
ITT I learned that GB knows my play better than I know my own play
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LOL this post on that page
On April 21 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 05:22 Holyflare wrote:
nice you posted a useless post where you say exactly what i said
1. the sentence literally after what you wrote says: "this could just be awful vivax"
2. easy targets is such a bull shit reason for someone being mafia when they put cases on those people that are thought out like you can't pick and choose who is mafia in a game so what if they were all easy mislynch people???? people pushing them must be mafia!!!!
3. how the fuck are you an easy target?? which people in this game aren't easy targets then????????? THREAD SENTIMENT IS AGAINST ME ALL THREAD SENTIMENT GOING AGAINST ME IS BEING IN AN EASY TARGET TRY TO LYNCH SICKLUCKER WHO IS SCUMMY AS HELL JUST TRY IT YOU WON'T BE ABLE THREAD SENTIMENT ISN'T AGAINST HIM + PEOPLE SIMPLY CAN'T SEE HOW HE IS MAFIA YOU'RE FUCKING LETTING HIM LIVE BECAUSE HE IS BAD EVERY GAME, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS EXCUSE????
that's like exactly what he's doing here hahahahaha
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oh yeah he went into all-caps mode right when we were about to lynch LS hahaha
nice catch
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On June 19 2015 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:Can you actually explain what point you are making with this rather than just linking the page
look like halfway down that page, he actually linked a particular page of the filter there
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On June 19 2015 03:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff. +gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago?
care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust.
But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way 
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LS what other players were you considering before this?
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On June 19 2015 03:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 23:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
like, more or less admitting that you don't give a fuck what LS's alignment is, and then admitting that you are lynching him for pure policy is by itself far scummier than anything LS did. At least he is trying and giving off the impression that he cares about the game, and even if he is scum and you are town he's probably a bigger asset to us. i did this, why aren't you yelling at me?
you did? I didn't notice you vote LS yet.
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On June 19 2015 04:16 GlowingBear wrote:
And I truly believe this push on me is scum driven.
I'm never taking my vote off of boxerfred now.
I guess GB is forced to make this kind of post, given that he calls everyone scum
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On June 19 2015 04:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 04:16 GlowingBear wrote:
And I truly believe this push on me is scum driven.
I'm never taking my vote off of boxerfred now. I guess GB is forced to make this kind of post, given that he calls everyone scum I am forced to see you calling me scum without actually trying to see me through other perspective. Your push on me is unnatural.If I die today people should really consider taking a second look at you. It is this simple: if town is willing to lynch high activity player day1, it is stupid town, so I won't waste breath with it.
bahahahahaha
nice try scum, the only thing unnatural between you and me was all the random shit you tried to say about me wanting to lynch lurkers last game
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On June 19 2015 04:23 Holyflare wrote:
Hey bugs let me ask you something trivial. What is the difference between bf saying something wrong and believing it and gb saying something wrong and believing it?
I think the obvious answer is that BF has like 3 games and so him saying something wrong and believing it is pretty natural and expected regardless of alignment whereas GB has like 10x as many games so it's more indicative of him being scum
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On June 19 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:22 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:21 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:15 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:14 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:11 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:09 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:08 ritoky wrote:
I am very annoyed with GB, rsoul, and kelsier.
GB and rsoul were like "let's find scum" then didn't try to find scum very hard. then when they passed out i went scum hunting and plopped some work into the thread and neither one commented on it in the slightest. both were apparently reading me super town, so why the shit did they ignore it upon re-entry?
kels i am annoyed with because he promised to ask my question and didn't. but LS explained when he got back and his reason was he was annoyed with me pressing him But why not just claim named VT the moment the game begins? Because I didn't feel like claiming named VT at the start of the game. cool, i am probably voting you this phase. But that is going to be a wasted vote when we got two wagons going on............ 1) you're spewing non-stop anti-town 2) people are already doing the "should we lynch LS this phase? naw reconsider next phase!" dance, which will go on many days and probably cost town the game 3) the other wagons aren't compelling enough to not vote on you 4) in some semblance i agree with onegu. i used to fake claim cop a bunch on these forums until some1 intentionally lost a game to teach me a lesson. you need to learn a lesson. Point 4 i going againist your win condition by intentionally losing a game do you want to be mod killed for that? I will be voting to lynch what I feel is the biggest impediment to town victory: you. To me you're just sitting in the thread loling and seeing how much anti-town shit you can get away with before your string of credit runs out. It annoys me, and it is terrible play if you're town.
where exactly do you see this in LS's play? Like I legitimately don't understand the suspicion or where it comes from.
Let's ignore the claim for a second, what are the other things you think LS is doing that are anti-town?
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On June 19 2015 04:28 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:24 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 04:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Your vote also makes no sense, LS. You jumped on me too easily. Look I liked Bugs case on you and I was already townreading him and based on how last game I putting all my eggs in that basket but if you are town make a legacy post before you get lynched. Bugs has NOTHING against me. Your reasons to sheep are the worst
ah yes, the empty attempt to discredit.
You should learn to fake a meta read next time
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On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred
this is an oddly convenient time to come in and vote BF
and you didn't bother responding to my questions! (or reading, I guess...) I hoped you weren't scum this game but perhaps you are after all
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On June 19 2015 04:35 Lohengramm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.
I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.
For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;
##Vote: boxerfred this is an oddly convenient time to come in and vote BF and you didn't bother responding to my questions! (or reading, I guess...) I hoped you weren't scum this game but perhaps you are after all I haven't fucking read the thread. If you have anything in specific you can link me but otherwise don't be a dumbass and complain that I haven't answered your questions when I clearly said I wouldn't be playing until just a couple hours before deadline. Call it convenient timing or whatever, I literally just got home from work and I'm not in the mood for more whiny bitches.
when you get a chance, read my discourse with GB and his representation of my play from last game. Pages 82 and onward are fairly important. I'll leave you to come to your own conclusions since I think if you are town this game you are smart enough to figure it out on your own.
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On June 19 2015 04:36 Lohengramm wrote:
Also I literally forgot to vote earlier when I said I was going to vote. That's the ONLY reason I'm voting right now.
Jesus WBG don't fling shit for no reason.
it's not for no reason, in the context of the thread right now that vote on BF is really scummy
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On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
why don't you consider voting someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched today?
We have like 3 hours, pretty unlikely Mig will get lynched and I don't see any good reasons to lynch him today. LS you can try to lynch him but he's not gonna flip red, I can pretty much guarantee you that at this point.
At this point the choice is pretty clear, if you think GB is town then explain to me what makes him town, otherwise vote him. Same goes for BF I guess. While I doubt you can convince me I am always open to new revelations.
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On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:
1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.
not alignment indicative. Also doesn't play to your style as mafia anyway so this is a completely moot point. Why telegraph for like 5 posts that you are ABOUT to post a case on Breshke instead of just posting it outright? We could come up with a hundred different completely null questions just like this one, none of them say anything about your alignment.
What does say a lot about your alignment is how shitty that Breshke case was, though.
WBG: 1 GB: 0
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?
Another alignment-null point. You called me mafia when you were scum last game, so this is obviously not alignment indicative. You've already proven that as mafia you're willing to OMGUS people, and it happens to be amazingly convenient that last game it was me.
WBG: 2 GB: 0
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?
Another alignment-null point. Both alignments flip their reads when they think they need to. Town do it when they think they are wrong or unlikely to be sheeped and scum do it when they think they have more to gain out of killing someone else or appearing better because they decided to go against a wagon when they know the wagon is going to result in killing a townie. And again this does not hash with your style as mafia where you can actually be very up front and confrontational, e.g. last game. "Blending in" is not necessarily a universal scum trait.
WBG: 3 GB: 0
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?
Any scum can create a lynch list and I even pointed it out earlier in the game. One of the hallmarks of scum is providing laundry lists of "reads". You also didn't try to organise town despite saying how much you wanted it. You could've asked me lots of questions after I agreed that we should work together yet you asked me things that were apparently for "reaction testing". Instead of organising and talking to people you threw around unbased reads and never once followed through on a suspicion except when I started pushing you seriously and you decided to OMGUS me. Nice attempt at making yourself look better, though. Too bad I caught it too quickly for you.
WBG: 4 GB: 0
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.
I want you all to answer these.
Oh cool, another alignment-null indicator. Sometimes mafia are unwilling to vote for people they call out because they know when they're wrong they'll take attention. So perhaps you know that you are wrong about LS and you don't want to call him out. Of course it would also look really desperate for you to switch from BF to LS on shaky and weak reasoning, particularly if you have to fabricate it, because that's really hard.
WBG: 5 GB: 0
Oh and if you actually believe BF is scum with me perhaps you should try to convince others why we should lynch BF over you, since there's 0 chance I'm going to die today and your vote hasn't moved, so I assume you're not even going to try to get me lynched. But, despite saying you want to organise town you have made no effort to organise an effort behind BF.
WBG: 6 GB: 0
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