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alright i'll try to explain this better
the jailkeeper both protects their target from shots AND roleblocks them
which means that if a shot doesn't go through scum CAN'T know if the jailkeeper SAVED their target or BLOCKED a scum member, UNLESS the scum member had a secondary action (say rolecop for the sake of this example) that also did not go through...it also could have gone through so they know that it was a save and not a block but essentially the scum member HAD to have a secondary action for mig to know who the jailkeeper targeted since he wasn't actually the tracker
also that secondary role COULD NOT have been roleblocker, because it wouldn't have interfered with a scum block
does that make sense?
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Ohhhhh so you're saying ruxxar could have had a secondary power as scum and jk role blocks so he's not out of the clear. How does that explain the missing second kp then? I don't think scum would show only 1 kp when they could knock out a towny or a roley
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this doesn't mean 100% that ruxxar is scum
it does mean 100% that IF ruxxar is scum he has a role like rolecop/framer/etc. that they knew didn't go through
i say ruxxar is scum based on his reaction to mig's claim and the fact that i don't think he would EVER by the n1 night kill over several other players in the thread
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On June 26 2015 03:23 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ohhhhh so you're saying ruxxar could have had a secondary power as scum and jk role blocks so he's not out of the clear. How does that explain the missing second kp then? I don't think scum would show only 1 kp when they could knock out a towny or a roley
a scum power role can both carry kp AND perform their secondary action?
if it hits scum carrying kp, that is why the missing kp
assuming va and mig aren't scum together
ruxxar is definitely either the TARGET of scum kp or the DELIVERER
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i'm out, guys
mig/ruxx/hf/shock
maybe oneg
remember xP
oh and please don't ignore va if he's alive too much longer...i'd assume that was obvious but...eh...me assuming things are obvious leads to lynched cops over scummy tracker claims
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On June 25 2015 21:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 25 2015 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
how did i know that clown wouldnt be able to leave the game without saying something incredibly stupid and game altering On June 25 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now. hey awol gonna enlighten us? On June 25 2015 12:37 rsoultin wrote:On June 25 2015 11:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:Quote + Show Spoiler +On June 23 2015 13:45 NydusHerMain wrote:
Am I allowed to read this thread backwards without being scumread T.T ... and the point is...? I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him. No. You put this attitude away. I asked who your second scumread WAS which you should still know. I asked the point of quoting that post which you should be fine with explaining. You do not get to be a dick to the one player trying to get mig lynched at eod when you.could have saved gb if you'd been here or even you know actually voted. Answer please while I practice.restraint and don't curse.you out for the.high and mighty attitude from someone who couldn't even be.fucked to VOTE
Real life over games sorry. I didn't realize time and noticed GB got lynched when I did realize, I couldn't help, it already happened and how was I a dick to GB? I don't get it.
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On June 25 2015 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 22:54 ruXxar wrote:On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm
the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...
like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:
rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer
of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there
so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)
or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1
...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else
Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum? HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation See, here's my problem HF. You keep claiming you're not mafia, but any way I twist it, I can't make it fit. Here's what happened: - GB wanted to lynch you first to prove his alignment. You agreed that it was the right play. - Everything is going fine until mig out of nowhere claims tracker really late. Why? To get the lynch off you and onto GB. - For whatever reason VA decides to out himself(zzz) and suddenly it lends credence to the fact that GB might be lying. The core of this whole debacle is the motivation for mig claiming tracker, when in fact he almost 100% is not tracker now that we've seen GB flip. You agree that we should lynch mig, and that VA is the Jail keeper. The chance that mig is town fake claiming tracker to save you because he thought GB was lying is absurd. He should've just let you die and then we would've *known* for sure what alignments you both have. Like, why would he risk lynching the DT over a VT?! Makes absolutely no sense. If you can make sense of it to me, please let me know. Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? I clearly scum read gb and the tracker claim solidified it and i felt so happy that everything i wrote came true and then he flipped cop. GG. Best mafia play since cop dies and mig was definitely going to die anyway and now it spreads suspicion on me since everyone keeps saying hf and mig together based on absolutely no reasoning? Maybe you should read the last day again and see for yourself how scummy i thought gb was (was also very unlikely i was miller which hey, turns out i probably am)
Let me break this down so everyone can follow my line of thinking.
Here's what has to happen for you *NOT* to be scum:
#1 You must dodge a redcheck
+ Show Spoiler +Either there is a framer in the game and you got framed. Here's what you said about framing: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. orThere are miller(s) in the game and you are one of them.
#2 The only reason mig had to claim was to save himself
+ Show Spoiler +Let's see why this doesn't make sense: Holyflare wrote:
Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? This is the timeline: On June 25 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote:
Would you lynch mig? On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. On June 25 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Now, townies, listen: CONSOLIDATE on HF. DO NOT GIVE SPACE TO MAFIA SO THEY CAN SHENANNIE ONTO WHOEVER THEY WANT. On June 25 2015 06:10 Mig wrote:
Ok didnt want to have to do this, I am a tracker. According to this, he claimed after you *BOTH* said that you were not going to vote for mig, so this point doesn't hold water.
#3 Mig claimed tracker without without believing it would succeed
+ Show Spoiler +So let's say mig planned to claim tracker, not because he wanted to save you, but because he had a shot at taking down GB.
How in the world is anyone going to believe him when he's one of the prime suspects?
If you are town, then he should be content to let you sit back and die, so he gets one more nights to perform actions.
But let's say that you are town, and mig went for the claim anyway.
There is *no way* he would do that if he didn't have faith that he could actually take GB down.
This means that he needed support. He could *not* have expected VA to out himself.
This means that there *has*to be mafia on this list.
I'll never believe in this scenario, that there are NO mafioso on this list besides mig:
GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu
Now the rest of you can believe what you want. But I find it very unlikely that you aren't mafia HF.
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On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill
I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias.
Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save
Oh noes bugs must have been saved!
Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic.
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You're so far confirmation biased it's getting a little bit crazy. I'm still just not mafia, the simple fact is that ruxxar was probably saved and the whole world makes sense.
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And since I'm not mafia the team is full of people with no town credit that were never likely to get saved so it's even easier to realise whether someone got blocked or saved.
Duh.
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On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic.
Incapable of reading english? Try again
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On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic.
RS is saying that the reason why there was 1 kp could also be because ruxxar can deliver his own personal kp and he was roleblocked so by JK so there was 1 kp.
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holyflare is aware of what a jk does and my english isn't so garbled that a native speaker can't decipher it
he's playing dumb ^^
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On June 26 2015 05:11 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2015 03:01 rsoultin wrote:
read the part on ruxx nyd
if mig is scum he 100% knew WHICH of the two ends of the exchange (who was saved vs. who was doing the killing) was the one actually jailed. he can't possibly know that unless the one doing the killing had a secondary action that either WAS or WAS NOT interfered with so that he could narrow it down to ruxx
from there it's just how realistic is a NIGHT ONE RUXXAR night kill I think you don't understand the word logic lol, if 2 people deliver kp and one of them goes through have a guess how you know who was saved. You don't need a power role to know that's a huge leap in confirmation bias. Mafia member x shoots town bugs = save Oh noes bugs must have been saved! Your wifom is crazy. Obviously a n1 ruxxar kill is not unlikely if the jailkeeper thought he was towny enough to save and like i said, the wifom argument i posed is far more realistic. RS is saying that the reason why there was 1 kp could also be because ruxxar can deliver his own personal kp and he was roleblocked so by JK so there was 1 kp.
no lol i'm saying he can deliver factional kp. a jk either saving scum's target or on the scum delivering the kp ends in the same result
the conjecture about that particular scum member having a role is just that...conjecture. solid conjecture but has nothing to do with the FACT
that if va jk'd ruxxar and there was no kill, that ruxxar can be the TARGET or the DELIVERER
hf knows this
he's playing dumb for god knows what purpose
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I find it highly unlikely they used bugs slot to carry out KP when him and HF were the most obvious targets in the game by far for night actions.
I also would have changed it if I knew ruxxar replaced in but who the hell actually reads night phase?
4 hours is not that much time to recognize a replacement.
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I'm not playing dumb, you keep saying he's mafia for n1 actions when the likely scenario is he's not. You keep trying to throw more confirmation bias in his direction and it's silly.
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You keep saying mig can't KNOW ruxxar was saved or protected which is just wrong logic. Don't tell me i don't know how to read lol.
Most of you are wasting your time on this 
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On June 26 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:
it's no offense to you, ruxx, really. i <3 you and i enjoyed coaching you. but you're just not a n1 kill unless the scum team is high or just like completely afk for when bugs gets replaced
None taken :p
I know I'm still a newbie, needing to up my game ^^.
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I'm not sure I really understand there logic here. I feel a bit confused.
I'll assume that rsoultin is right.
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lol hf and confirmation bias after gb...that's rich xP
4 hours is plenty of time to notice a replacement unless the ENTIRE MAFIA TEAM is afk for that time
regardless, you know my opinion and no amount of hf saying that "the most likely scenario" is scum shot RUXXAR is going to make me think it's any more likely
and no you aren't reading
i said mig can't KNOW whether or not the TARGET of the kill was protected or the one CARRYING OUT the kill was blocked, UNLESS there was some other indicator (a second action) that either was or wasn't blocked. it means lovely with your reading comprehension problem trying to poke holes in something where there are none, that most likely the scum that delivered the kp was a role like rolecop
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