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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 25 2015 04:11 GMT
#4021
Fidei and I are town
LS still firmly town by not an asshole rule
VA is invisible to me

Mig is scum. Lynch him. The likelihood that he isn't is so infinitesimal here and this guessing game bs he's trying to sell is ridiculous.

Assuming mig is scum cause if he's not game over anyway -_- holyflare very likely scum. Scum play like that makes little sense otherwise. mig can move his vote to keep HF the lynch even if the missing players miraculously turn back up

the remaining five are irritating

i want to read nyd and damdy town on tone and apparently my tone thing is worth paying fucking attention to

ruxx was doing the "don't know what was going on" thing around eod, saying should he trust townread gb or scumreads va and mig? like, what? that looks quite a bit like he's gearing up to switch over if he has to, cause that makes no earthly sense

(i still maintain bugs hyper tunneling three towns d1 including one that he was STILL hyper tunneling gb through n1 is probably not going to be your nk...but here's the real kicker. ruxxar, a newbie, replaced in FOUR HOURS before the Day 2 post. and we're going with the ruxx was the mafia nk theory? ROFL)

i'd actually probably even lynch ruxx before hf in this circumstance, to be frank

also not really seeing much from shock other than just tunneling ls and gb so eh

so my issue with oneg is that some of his reactions/analysis has been weird...i wish i had examples at the moment but the instavote on me for instance but not responding to the hf red check the same way? what?

so i'm kinda torn between him and shock, honestly, and regardless there's still plenty of time to figure it out

mig/ruxx/hf/shock or oneg?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 25 2015 04:22 GMT
#4022
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 25 2015 04:35 GMT
#4023
I am sorry gb
Moderator
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2015 05:13 GMT
#4024
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly


you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????

also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia

also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?

seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else

Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?



HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL

"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"

"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"

i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip

because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES

LOL

spread more shit you fucker

lie about onegu
lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia
lie about cop checks
lie about scum reads
lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game


From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED

F-U-C-K-E-D


also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2015 05:13 GMT
#4025
anyway i'm not here anymore got 0 sleep and now work yayyyyyy!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 25 2015 06:58 GMT
#4026
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly



Guessing he wasnt protected but that he was the shot carrier
Try TL Mafia!!!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 25 2015 09:02 GMT
#4027
I understand how it's a possibility that VA protected a mafia N1, but you guys are going about this all wrong.
Looking at incidents in isolation and using your gut feeling is *not* the right way to approach the game at this point.
You seem to be grasping at straws to find arguments against me, instead of looking at my overarching play which should clearly show you that I'm town.
I don't know bugs, so I'm not going to pretend I knew what his motivations was or interpret his play.
Right now I want to focus my attention on finding and lynching scum, so that's what I'm going to do.

First off: we are in a terrible position after having lynched 5 VTs, our detective *and* outed our jail keeper.
Well fuck it, we can't turn back time, but there still time to turn things around.
We need to focus our energy and consolidate so that we don't scatter ourselves all over the place.

First up is lynching mig.
If for some god forsaken reason you do not agree with this, let me know and ill order you a doctor.

2nd up is lynching HF.
You can say there is a miller or a framer of whatever. The chances are so low that I'm not even willing to consider that possibility.
A redcheck is a redcheck, and if you'd rather take the *low* chance of him being framed or miller, then you are not thinking rationally.
He's dangerous and I want him dead.
If we let him live and he's mafia, I have a feeling he's going to destroy us with his persuasion.

After those 2 are dead, things get a bit more uncertain.
VA was my next target but is now off the list.
Onegu is still a very likely possibilty.
Not sure who the 4th mafia could be yet, but we have plenty of time to figure that out.

We need to stimulate everyone to participate in discussion so that we can gather as much information as possible.
Don't be content with letting the lurkers get away with staying silent.
I don't want to lynch people based off a coin flip.
It's extremely important that we don't mislynch at this point.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 25 2015 09:26 GMT
#4028
On June 25 2015 11:19 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and Mig actually fake claimed Tracker to get GB lynched -_- Well I think the best play is still lynch Mig but we have to ask ourselves this: Is HF scum or Town even though he got red checked? The reason for this question is because there is unaware Millers in the OP and there is a chance HF is the Unaware Miller so I want everyone's input on that.


It's a possibility, but it's very low. Are you willing to take that risk? I'm not.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 25 2015 09:28 GMT
#4029
On June 25 2015 11:53 GlowingBear wrote:
townies that mislynched me, know that I will send PM's to you each day, for 365 days after endgame, reminding you how bad you are. Mark my words. The North remembers.


Sorry it ended this way GB.
I really thought your play was brilliant.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 25 2015 11:34 GMT
#4030
So, in the hunt for more mafia, I want to take a closer look at the vote count.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count


Holyflare (2): rsoultin, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, Onegu, ruXxar, Fidei86, NydusHerMain
GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu
Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86
Damdred (0): Holyflare
rsoultin (0): Onegu

Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred

Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss.
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



Given that GB did the checks that he said he did, mafia would be desperate to get GB lynched, and would be all over voting for him.
I find it highly likely that some of the mafia can be found here:

GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu

This supports the theory that onegu could be mafia.

Day 1:

I don't think that LS and Onegu are mafia together, judging from the way that Onegu tunneled LS *hard* day 1 and wanted him lynched.
He even went so far as to be willing to lynch LS even if it meant losing the game, just to teach him a lesson.
That's a mafia play. The rules says to play to win, and that was exactly what he was doing.
On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote:
I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread...
On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote:
Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this.
On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote:
Also I will be honest I think LS is town.
On June 19 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote:
LS still needs to die. Dont worry I dont plan on being useless all game...
On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote:
again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS

How much more anti-town can you get?

Day 3:

GB claims he got a redcheck on rsoul.
On June 23 2015 12:56 GlowingBear wrote:
I've got a red check on you, dear.

Onegu jumps at the chance of voting for rsoul:
On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote:
HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!!

##Vote Rsoultin

No greater pleasure!

And he was eager to accept the thought of fidei and rsoul being mafia
On June 23 2015 13:04 Onegu wrote:
So if this is true you have 3 scum. Fidei, rsoul, and mig right?

Turns out GB was joking to get a reaction out of people. And he sure did get a reaction out of onegu.
On June 23 2015 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm kidding, just wanted some reactions from people online

My red check is on holyflare THANK GOD YOU PRICK YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH WITH MY HEART


Adding to that Onegu has barely done anything pro town the whole game.
I find it likely that Onegu is mafia

This is how my world aligns right now with the latest votes:


Day 3 Vote Count


Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, NydusHerMain
GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu
Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86

Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred


I'll look further into the people I'm unsure about.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
June 25 2015 11:49 GMT
#4031
On June 25 2015 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
how did i know that clown wouldnt be able to leave the game without saying something incredibly stupid and game altering


On June 25 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now.


hey awol

gonna enlighten us?


On June 25 2015 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 11:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Quote

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 23 2015 13:45 NydusHerMain wrote:
Am I allowed to read this thread backwards without being scumread T.T ...



and the point is...?


I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him.
Life?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 25 2015 12:15 GMT
#4032
On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly


you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????

also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia

also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?

seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else

Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?



HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL

"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"

"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"

i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip

because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES

LOL

spread more shit you fucker

lie about onegu
lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia
lie about cop checks
lie about scum reads
lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game


From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED

F-U-C-K-E-D


also from the way things went down gb was ab
solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation


No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 25 2015 12:26 GMT
#4033
On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
how did i know that clown wouldnt be able to leave the game without saying something incredibly stupid and game altering


Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:
On June 23 2015 12:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
My second scum read will come tomorrow, let's see if they even post at all. I'm going to go to bed, i've been up all day and haven't stopped working till now.


hey awol

gonna enlighten us?


Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 12:37 rsoultin wrote:
On June 25 2015 11:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Quote

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 23 2015 13:45 NydusHerMain wrote:
Am I allowed to read this thread backwards without being scumread T.T ...



and the point is...?


I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him.


No. You put this attitude away. I asked who your second scumread WAS which you should still know. I asked the point of quoting that post which you should be fine with explaining.

You do not get to be a dick to the one player trying to get mig lynched at eod when you.could have saved gb if you'd been here or even you know actually voted. Answer please while I practice.restraint and don't curse.you out for the.high and mighty attitude from someone who couldn't even be.fucked to VOTE
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 25 2015 13:40 GMT
#4034
Really liking Ruxxar's analysis here. So the last mafia is one of Damdred, Nydus and Shockkey? That makes a hell of a lot of sense to me.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 25 2015 13:54 GMT
#4035
On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly


you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????

also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia

also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?

seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else

Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?



HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL

"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"

"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"

i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip

because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES

LOL

spread more shit you fucker

lie about onegu
lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia
lie about cop checks
lie about scum reads
lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game


From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED

F-U-C-K-E-D


also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation



See, here's my problem HF.
You keep claiming you're not mafia, but any way I twist it, I can't make it fit.

Here's what happened:

- GB wanted to lynch you first to prove his alignment. You agreed that it was the right play.
- Everything is going fine until mig out of nowhere claims tracker really late. Why? To get the lynch off you and onto GB.
- For whatever reason VA decides to out himself(zzz) and suddenly it lends credence to the fact that GB might be lying.

The core of this whole debacle is the motivation for mig claiming tracker, when in fact he almost 100% is not tracker now that we've seen GB flip.

You agree that we should lynch mig, and that VA is the Jail keeper.
The chance that mig is town fake claiming tracker to save you because he thought GB was lying is absurd.
He should've just let you die and then we would've *known* for sure what alignments you both have.
Like, why would he risk lynching the DT over a VT?! Makes absolutely no sense.

If you can make sense of it to me, please let me know.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2015 13:55 GMT
#4036
On June 25 2015 21:15 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly


you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????

also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia

also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?

seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else

Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?



HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL

"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"

"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"

i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip

because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES

LOL

spread more shit you fucker

lie about onegu
lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia
lie about cop checks
lie about scum reads
lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game


From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED

F-U-C-K-E-D


also from the way things went down gb was ab
solutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation


No shit ruxx was bugs. Glad you're reading my whole post and actually care what I say and making arguments for it ^^


I cut out all the irrelevant wifom where you assume all the mafia are tied together through one play like some kind of shitty idiot team and instead picked the really likely obvious option. You know since mafia mig changed last second to save gb to clearly spread irrelevant suspicion it's no far reach to assume the nk's were for the same reason.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2015 14:05 GMT
#4037
On June 25 2015 22:54 ruXxar wrote:
On June 25 2015 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote:
mmm

the problem with the ruxx thing is while i have no fucking clue why RUXX would be the nk with ksc...i'm not sure why a mafia mig would mention bugs to try to draw out a medic claim if that slot is scum...

like the only way they could know that it was a stopped shot vs. a save is if the ruxx slot was some sort of mafia role that could be interfered with. the only ones i'm seeing there are:

rolecop, mafia vig (which almost seems like too much mafia kp with no apparent town kp), and framer

of those, rolecop makes the most sense i think, but that's neither here nor there


so now i'm kinda at that...is it more likely that ruxx is a mafia pr whose secondary action was stopped and mafia is hoping we assume that this gets him "cleared" so are willing to risk him too? (not completely out there given jk SHOULD be the last blue, and i don't believe bullets are refunded anyway)

or more likely that mafia just decides to shoot ruxxar over..a town hf, or myself, or ritoky softing, etc. etc. n1

...i dunnae i really find a ruxxar nk highly unbelievable, frankly


you realise that ruxxar was bugs right??????????????????

also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia

also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched?

seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
I am town
I see a red check on me and I see an indirect red check on someone else

Will I doubt the Claimer or will I convince the claimer I'm not scum?



HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL

"I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game"

"let's try and convince the person i'm not scum"

i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip

because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES

LOL

spread more shit you fucker

lie about onegu
lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia
lie about cop checks
lie about scum reads
lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game


From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED

F-U-C-K-E-D


also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation



See, here's my problem HF.
You keep claiming you're not mafia, but any way I twist it, I can't make it fit.

Here's what happened:

- GB wanted to lynch you first to prove his alignment. You agreed that it was the right play.
- Everything is going fine until mig out of nowhere claims tracker really late. Why? To get the lynch off you and onto GB.
- For whatever reason VA decides to out himself(zzz) and suddenly it lends credence to the fact that GB might be lying.

The core of this whole debacle is the motivation for mig claiming tracker, when in fact he almost 100% is not tracker now that we've seen GB flip.

You agree that we should lynch mig, and that VA is the Jail keeper.
The chance that mig is town fake claiming tracker to save you because he thought GB was lying is absurd.
He should've just let you die and then we would've *known* for sure what alignments you both have.
Like, why would he risk lynching the DT over a VT?! Makes absolutely no sense.

If you can make sense of it to me, please let me know.


Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? I clearly scum read gb and the tracker claim solidified it and i felt so happy that everything i wrote came true and then he flipped cop. GG. Best mafia play since cop dies and mig was definitely going to die anyway and now it spreads suspicion on me since everyone keeps saying hf and mig together based on absolutely no reasoning?

Maybe you should read the last day again and see for yourself how scummy i thought gb was (was also very unlikely i was miller which hey, turns out i probably am)
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 25 2015 14:35 GMT
#4038
RS if you think that ruxxar is not a real save, you have to believe that mafia mig SOMEHOW guessed that ruxxar was jailed. That's such a leap. If the mafia decided to double stack the night that ruxxar was supposedly saved, they already decided that bugs wasn't an important kp target so how would he get into the mindset that he would be an important save target? I dunno.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 25 2015 14:37 GMT
#4039
RS, is it likely for there to be jailkeeper, detective, and masons in one game? It would be balanced by strong mafia roles right?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 25 2015 15:18 GMT
#4040
If you're saying it's unlikely then for no reason mafia vayne held kp n1 to clain jk later with the risk of another medic being alived

It is a fine setup and it's usually 1-2 less roles for mafia so probably frame or gf + roleblock or whatever and mig's flip will give us a lot more info hopefully
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