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On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times.
True. It seems super extreme.
I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not.
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On June 17 2015 21:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times. True. It seems super extreme. I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not.
It's not. He was defending sulfurus early d1.
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I stand by my defense on sulfurous.
You can go back and read my arguments if you want to.
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Remember when ruxxar voted on literally every wagon this game except sulfurus' wagon? That was pretty good too.
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On June 17 2015 21:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 21:36 Rels wrote:On June 17 2015 21:32 batsnacks wrote:
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times. True. It seems super extreme. I know ruxxar defended Sulfu against an attack a few hours before EOD. I'll check his filter to see if that was the only time or not. It's not. He was defending sulfurus early d1.
Mm would like a quote on that. The earlier post from ruxxar defending Sulfu I found is 40 hours into the game, so more late day 1.
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On June 17 2015 21:40 ruXxar wrote:
I stand by my defense on sulfurous.
You can go back and read my arguments if you want to.
Wut
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My logic was that no mafia would be stupid enough to act the way sulf did.
At the time I was convinced of this and was consistent on this.
Turns out I was the stupid one that got mindgamed 360.
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At this point I can't trust that any of my conclusions regarding sulfur we're correct at all.
Basically I got mindfucked.
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On June 17 2015 21:57 ruXxar wrote:
My logic was that no mafia would be stupid enough to act the way sulf did.
At the time I was convinced of this and was consistent on this.
Turns out I was the stupid one that got mindgamed 360.
I think what I mostly don't like is your obsession with him even after he died. I get the point of attempting to form associations but I'm getting bad feels from some of this stuff:
On June 17 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote:
A question.
Mafia can talk to each other right?
If so why wouldn't sulfurs mafia friends tell him to not play so bad?
On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.
I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.
On June 17 2015 07:52 ruXxar wrote:Just read his filter than look at sulfurus actions and posts and you'll understand immediatly.
On June 17 2015 08:20 ruXxar wrote:
Actually from the way Sulfur played I can conclude that Rels is mafia. 100%
On June 17 2015 08:39 ruXxar wrote:
From how much I misjudged sulfur I would say that he'd never vote for his teammate.
On June 17 2015 08:46 ruXxar wrote:
I want peoples opinions on sulfurs last read list.
The content of these aren't so much important so much as looking at them all together.
You're constantly attempting to form a narrative of his actions here but you're so apologetic while doing it and making excuses, it just gives me the jibblies.
No likey.
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OK, in spoiler, the 5 posts I found where ruxxar either soft or hard defends Sulfu.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus.
I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment.
I went through the voting history to see who voted for him.
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I still think bats is our best lynch for day 1, but geript has raised a red flag for me.
I want to know why he's voting for sulfurus. On June 15 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 09:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote:
Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. Please explain why you wanted to defend rels so badly and also why you wanted to lynch trelf. This is very important information, please make it clear to me because I don't understand it at all. It's another slip up on Sulfurus's part that he's Mafia. As we all agree, Rels is scum. Trfel was the first one to suspect Rels and when we all least expected it. Thus, it would be really weird for Trfel to have been a Mafia as he would have been busing over Rels when no one was really looking into him. Thus, what Sulfurus is suggesting makes no sense. He's trying to defend himself by offering Trfel as lynch but overlooked that point. Did we not learn from geripts case that mafia slip ups that get caught never are? On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia. On June 17 2015 05:20 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 05:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus's post basically reveals that he would have only lynched Kickstart if everyone else was going to. This basically shows that he's only willing to vote on wagons and never by himself. This correlates to the rest of his play which is disturbing because Mafia generally wishes to follow easy wagons. This is Extremely false: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 Sulfurus wrote:
If it wasn't clear I would lynch trfel and I shouldn't have ignored him just for voting bats. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.
##Vote: Oatsmaster I'm also getting tired of your bandwagon argument in every post you make. Do you have anything new to come up with?
Again, this is not a case, just observations for tomorrow. To me ruxxar's defenses posts don't seem that bad, except the last one.
To his credit, ruxxar had a phase he suspected Sulfu (more or less night 1), here is a post of him attacking Sulfu. I don't think it means anything, 'cause you can say what you want during the night and change opinions during the day when opinions really matter.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 15 2015 03:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is likely my final reads post before the daypost. This isn't a ranked list per se, all of the same colors/boldness are in the same tier I think though.
Batsnacks
Play fits previous town play exactly. I don't see any way in hell he pulls off that geript stuff as scum for multiple reasons, including but not limited to risking him looking like balls after the flip, or drawing further attention to those 'scum-mates' he would have apparently tried to save. I just don't see it.
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
Trfel Extremely solid play throughout the entirety of D1. Great case on Rels who we should still be lynching. Probably got caught up in geript shenanigans but maybe worth a look into.
RuxxarFor reasons previously stated. Do not agree with nooby even though it is possible it was all some sort of setup. Needs to stop talk about setup though and actually play this game properly to avoid stupid shit like what he pulled.
NoobkingAlso needs to stop talking about setup because it gets us absolutely nowhere. The most experienced of the apparent new players, but as often focused on completely irrelevant matters. When he does scumhunt it is in incredible detail and he is also pretty prominent in thread. Not as big a fan as I was earlier on in the game when I first townread him but still town.
Kickstart I think the problems here have been adequately summarized. He might be worth a vig shot or a check (cop obviously do whatever you want here) because as soon as he was universally townread he left the thread completely and more importantly everyone forgot about him for a long time. Pressure and/or removal likely necessary.
Oats I still lean townish on him because of his early play but he has fallen off immensely. This is alignment non-indicative for him though, but when he HAS been here he hasn't shown anywhere near the degree of effort shown before. I don't treat him the same as Kickstart here (who i'm leaning to the scum side on) because Kickstart started way higher and fell way further.
Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. And I'm actually saying that here because he is probably the best player currently in this game. Very little effort, not amazing scumhunting. That being said he has been on the same page as me a lot this game which is a good sign, and I mostly liked his 'late night reads' post. He just needs to do more of it, especially if he's town and I get shot tonight. If he doesn't do more, he is likely coasting on his ability to try when attention is brought up and doesn't actually care what's happening in thread = scum.
Scott Some analysis, but also looking through his filter a lot of jabs and questioning that leads absolutely nowhere (feigning useful activity??) It feels as though he's attempting to figure out the game when around but liek many in the thread there's not a lot to go on. Need a lot more from him to cement things either way.
Rels Probably scum? The points brought up against him are still pretty damning though circumstantially I wonder how likely it is that we had two scum on the block D1 before the geript shenanigans. Still the scummiest of the lot aside from Sulf, so re-evaluate as necessary after Sulf lynch.
Sulfurus Lynch with fire tomorrow. I've called him out, geript called him out, he has still accomplished absolutely nothing warranting a townread. Shows up sporadically to attempt to deflect but does not actually contribute meaningfully.
Lynch target for tomorrow is Sulf. Do not stray the course ladies and gents. As far as the entirety of the team, anyone from the null list could apply here, and it's also possible I am wrong on one of my townreads, but only one. We didn't have an amazing start but we can easily recover from this. Scumhunting was really strong D1 we just have to keep it up as a whole and keep activity up. About sulfurus: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:11 Sulfurus wrote:
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer. Claims he's playing very town, but these statements are incongruent with that. Don't care for this attitude, doesn't seem like a town player wanting to win. Then after trfel makes a case against Rel : Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Are you kidding me! Do you see what trfel has done he just took the lynch away from scum!bats right under our noses and pitted town vs town.
Like what incentive do I have to do anything towny if it's just going to get rels lynched.
This make sulfurus and rel look bad together. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Earlier he pushes really hard on batsnacks, which in itself is not strange, but then he uses me as an example of the towniest players in the game, when a lot of people disagreed. It seems like a good excuse to bandwagon on my batsnacks push.
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Actually these two posts are pretty bad too.
On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia.
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
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Wow thanks Wos for that it's pretty interesting.
The two posts I just quoted:
On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia.
On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
are even worst when you read this one along:
On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.
I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.
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It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else.
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And for the record I'm going to have to have a second look at ol' batsy.
On June 17 2015 17:46 Rels wrote:I also had a thought about batsnacks while sleeping. Two days in a row, he was pretty suspicious of Sulfu, but tried to deflect the lynch from him at EOD. The first day he succeded with a geript case: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. The second day he proposed to switch to scott. Of course he said it jokingly, so we can't know if it's a joke or a disguised attempt. But the fact is that he repeated it several times in the last hour of the day: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote:On June 17 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels. What do you mean by this? It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number. Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:17 batsnacks wrote:
Glad we didn't lynch scott, he's probably just a lowly goon. I admit the last one made me laugh. (= That's not a case, just an observation for future days.
Some of this actually started to get me thinking, even though it would require some of the ballsiest scumplay I've ever seen to blatantly attempt to shenanigan a lynch off a scummate at EOD. When combined with D1 stuff it makes things very unlikely but then again
On June 15 2015 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also i have been in a game where day 1 was between 2 scum.
So meh, not a point
I want to believe it's as easy as ruxxar/rels (as the likely final newbies) but blehhhh.
ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI
Ugh this game
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On June 17 2015 22:08 Rels wrote:Wow thanks Wos for that it's pretty interesting. The two posts I just quoted: Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:14 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town. That doesn't make him mafia. Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
are even worst when you read this one along: Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:38 ruXxar wrote:
It wasn't meant in that way.
I'm just bitter that the whole premise on my theory rested on the fact that Sulfur was actually a good player q.q.
Wow.
Can anyone give his opinion on that. Cause I'm feeling I'm starting a new tunnel, on ruxxar this time.
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On June 17 2015 22:08 batsnacks wrote:
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else.
Why did the ruxxar wagon not materialize?
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On June 17 2015 22:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI
What are you talking about ?
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On June 17 2015 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 22:08 batsnacks wrote:
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else. Why did the ruxxar wagon not materialize?
Because he actually posted things unlike the other two wagons.
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On June 17 2015 22:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 22:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
ACTUALLY Oats making tons of sense in his last few posts I wonder if that quote was TMI
What are you talking about ?
The other post I quoted and this one
On June 17 2015 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ive been on scumteams before where we are just like, "damn dude sorry you suck, we are gonna bus you and if you dont get lynched, great, you get lynched, at least we get cred".
Sulph was in that spot totally for the scumteam.
Again, ballsy to play to be posting like that if you ARE scum but I think at this point at least one of the other members of the team has to be ballsy to get their heads out the noose. I get a distinct feeling it may not be as easy going forward.
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On June 17 2015 22:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 22:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 17 2015 22:08 batsnacks wrote:
It's not just his defending sulfurus the way he has voted all game looks worse than anyone else. Why did the ruxxar wagon not materialize? Because he actually posted things unlike the other two wagons.
Which as I recall is pretty much the reason the Rels lynch didn't happen, correct? And Kickstart to some degree as well.
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