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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 08:38 GMT
#1741
So. I think the following people are town:

WOS
Trfel
Kickstart
scott

I'll also add moosy for the moment, as I think he was suspicious of Sulfu since the beginning of the game. I need to check this one.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 08:39 GMT
#1742
So by POE 2 mafia must be here:

ruxxar
Oats
Damdred
batsnacks
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 08:46 GMT
#1743
I also had a thought about batsnacks while sleeping. Two days in a row, he was pretty suspicious of Sulfu, but tried to deflect the lynch from him at EOD.

The first day he succeded with a geript case:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs.

We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip.


You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia.

Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too.


Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?


Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:
I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game.

He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.


This is bold. Why does mafia post this?

It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.




The second day he proposed to switch to scott. Of course he said it jokingly, so we can't know if it's a joke or a disguised attempt. But the fact is that he repeated it several times in the last hour of the day:
On June 17 2015 06:19 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 06:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 17 2015 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
Dude wtf ruxxar giving me cold feet with his feels.

What do you mean by this?


It means I'm about to vote sulfur and hate myself for it. Unless anyone but me wants to lynch scott which doesn't seem to be the case.

On June 17 2015 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
I'm like 75% sure scott is mafia and that's a really high number.

On June 17 2015 06:47 batsnacks wrote:
Shenanies onto scott?

On June 17 2015 06:49 batsnacks wrote:
I really, really want to vote scott.

On June 17 2015 07:17 batsnacks wrote:
Glad we didn't lynch scott, he's probably just a lowly goon.

I admit the last one made me laugh. (=

That's not a case, just an observation for future days.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 08:51 GMT
#1744
I have some work to do now so I'll be afk the next few hours. First thing on my TODO list when I come back is reading through Sulfurus' filter.

Take care everyone (=
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 17 2015 09:00 GMT
#1745
rels, why is scott's case good?
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 09:30 GMT
#1746
It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong):

On June 17 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Oatsmaster could be mafia


Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe)
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.

A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)

##Vote: Oatsmaster


why would you do this.
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.

1. Im vt.
2. Bats is mafia.
3. Chezinu rule.

##vote Bats


On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?



Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.



Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr


On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.

Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other?

LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia.



Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.



Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.



Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.




Conclusions -

Oats asks a lot of questions without followup
Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched
Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred
Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town
Oats could be mafia.

OK so your case basically is:
1. Oats is not commiting to reads or pushes..
2. Oats talks a lot but doesn't analyse anything.
3. Oats switched without giving reasons.

Mm. I would not lynched over kickstart. But I would lynched over ruxxar.

The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful.
I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time.

Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 11:13 GMT
#1747
So I have no intention of being useful until the day post but that's probably not going to stop me from posting due to bored.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 17 2015 11:19 GMT
#1748
hey at least im not getting killed tonight.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 17 2015 11:20 GMT
#1749
On June 17 2015 18:30 Rels wrote:
It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong):

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Oatsmaster could be mafia


Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe)
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.

A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)

##Vote: Oatsmaster


why would you do this.
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.

1. Im vt.
2. Bats is mafia.
3. Chezinu rule.

##vote Bats


On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?



Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.



Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr


On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.

Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other?

LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia.



Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.



Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.



Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.




Conclusions -

Oats asks a lot of questions without followup
Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched
Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred
Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town
Oats could be mafia.

OK so your case basically is:
1. Oats is not commiting to reads or pushes..
2. Oats talks a lot but doesn't analyse anything.
3. Oats switched without giving reasons.

Mm. I would not lynched over kickstart. But I would lynched over ruxxar.

The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful.
I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time.

Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points.

What exactly is "not committing to reads or pushes?
Also, i have analysed a decent amount, but regardless, why is not analysing scummy?
Why is switching a lot scummy?

Anyone can answer these questions btw.
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 11:38 GMT
#1750
On June 17 2015 20:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 18:30 Rels wrote:
It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong):

On June 17 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Oatsmaster could be mafia


Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe)
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.

A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)

##Vote: Oatsmaster


why would you do this.
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.

1. Im vt.
2. Bats is mafia.
3. Chezinu rule.

##vote Bats


On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?



Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.



Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr


On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.

Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other?

LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia.



Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.



Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.



Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above?
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.




Conclusions -

Oats asks a lot of questions without followup
Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched
Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred
Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town
Oats could be mafia.

OK so your case basically is:
1. Oats is not commiting to reads or pushes..
2. Oats talks a lot but doesn't analyse anything.
3. Oats switched without giving reasons.

Mm. I would not lynched over kickstart. But I would lynched over ruxxar.

The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful.
I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time.

Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points.

What exactly is "not committing to reads or pushes?
Also, i have analysed a decent amount, but regardless, why is not analysing scummy?
Why is switching a lot scummy?

Anyone can answer these questions btw.

Hey I'll let him defend his case himself. "Not committing" and "switching a lot" can be scum indicators.

I don't want nor have the time to analyse cases or people now. The main things I want to do is look through Sulfu's filters and through the votes. So I'll stop arguing about cases and people behaviour until day 3.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 11:50 GMT
#1751
On June 17 2015 17:38 Rels wrote:
I'll also add moosy [to the town list] for the moment, as I think he was suspicious of Sulfu since the beginning of the game. I need to check this one.

OK I just did that. Moosy casted suspicions on Sulfurus as early as 21 hours into day 1. He was the second to do so, after Kickstart. And where Kickstart's vote was caused by a Sulfu attack on him, moosy's posts about Sulfu weren't, so it wasn't OMGUS. Here are the posts in question:

On June 13 2015 03:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 13 2015 03:40 geript wrote:
I can't be surprised if "people didn't call him scum" if there wasn't something good/obvious to call him scum for wubby

To be fair, you did try and point out my post as possible Mafia first, but backed off after Oatsmaster said it might be lynchbait. From there you tried to say it was something that Mafia should have pushed on.

As for new players, I'm seeing only Fake)Plants as a possible Mafia tell while Sulfurus might be one and n00bking is barely suspicious.

On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.

On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 13 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:44 Kickstart wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:40 geript wrote:
~7 hours batty


Okay I can't dick around anymore. Please help me not get lynched, I require written instructions for how to get people to unvote me.

Push someone who you think is actually scum then???????? Just a though~


What do I do if I don't have any scum reads? In a sense almost no one has scum reads because I'm town and the only people pushing stuff are pushing me.

Here's would lynch:
3)MoosyDoosy
4)Sulfurus
7)Fake)Plants
2)batsnacks
3)Trfel


here's idk can't form opinion:
6)damdred
1)Rels
4)WaveofShadow
5)geript
5)ruXxar

Here's would not lynch:
2)n00bKing
1)Kickstart
6)Oatsmaster

HELP

Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

On June 13 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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On June 13 2015 07:21 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 07:06 n00bKing wrote:
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.

Wait, really? Just a few posts earlier, you were "wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus." Suddenly batsnacks drops so low in suspicion for you that you're asking him to help you by making a case against geript?

Um...where did I say I suspected batsnacks? I was always making a case against geript.

The part I put in quotation marks should have been sufficient to jog your memory. I don't think you want to make a habit of forcing people to go back and dig up YOUR posts so that you can remember what YOU said.

The full post was:
On June 13 2015 05:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I'll doubt geript will be voted for this round. Right now I'm wondering whether to cast between batsnacks or Sulfurus. The thing is that Sulfurus has contributed little and some of his posts have been questionably empty.


And then just a few posts later, you are asking batsnacks to help you out by making a case against either Sulfurus or geript (when geript, who you say is the one you were "always making a case against", was unmentioned in your earlier post).

Oh yeah, I did say that. It just seemed that no one was willing to pursue a case against geript at that moment, seeing how no one was talking about him and no one voted for him. Both batsnacks and Sulfurus looked fishy at that time too so I was willing to vote for either. Then WaveofShadows came along and helped the case I was making against geript which was why I went back to it. Either way, I still think geript, Sulfurus, and batsnacks look fishy in that order.

So definitely settled the question of moosy for me. He's town for now.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 17 2015 11:57 GMT
#1752
On June 17 2015 20:38 Rels wrote:
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On June 17 2015 20:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 17 2015 18:30 Rels wrote:
It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong):

On June 17 2015 05:25 Rels wrote:
On June 17 2015 05:18 scott31337 wrote:
Oatsmaster could be mafia


Says he's VT in the first post (which is bad anyway, narrows down the blues) and then defends himself about his VT claim saying "Have you seen it done before?" (BTW, Onegu has done it before in XXX I believe)
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On June 12 2015 10:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
Hi friends.

A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people.

aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly)

##Vote: Oatsmaster


why would you do this.
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On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:

  1. don't claim your role
  2. find exactly 1 person who you think is mafia
  3. say why this 1 person is mafia
  4. do not form reads based on unflipped associations e.g. player X AND player Y could be mafia together because Z.

1. Im vt.
2. Bats is mafia.
3. Chezinu rule.

##vote Bats


On June 13 2015 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
But you dont want to convince me or Trfel?

Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia.
So that does not include fluff and defensive posts.



I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening.


Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post.

Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim?
You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before?



Switches his read on Bats fairly easily, doesn't mention the reason for switching to geript - bails
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On June 14 2015 01:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im going to sleep.
Lynch geript.



Wants to go after Moosy now, even though he only mentions a joke post about him and nothing else
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On June 14 2015 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Let's get moosy tmr


On June 13 2015 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:05 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On June 13 2015 01:01 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 00:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 12 2015 22:54 batsnacks wrote:
I think I'm going to sheep geript now he was making sense about moose.

##unvote
##vote moosygoosy

So you're voting along with scum? Interesting.


I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post.

So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt?

Dont like that at all.
Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread.

Geript too btw.

I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop.


I don't feel like there's anything I need to defend against.

But yeah I do like the idea of basing reads off of what mafia should and shouldn't do. That's why I'm voting moosegoose.

And what exactly did I do to show I'm Mafia? I admit my first post was dumb of me but that was because I'm generally more of a passive poster.

Besides, if you want to go along with basing reads off of what Mafia should and shouldn't do, shouldn't YOU be thinking of geript right now? He makes a post about how Mafia should act, leaves the thread after being accused of Mafia, and then does nothing to defend himself.


You didn't do anything. It's what your scum mates did, or rather didn't do (push you).

LOL
So you're not even assuming the same thing Geript apparently did?
Geript at least seemed to assume Moosy was town shitposting at first which would make scum jump on for an easy mislynch, but you think he's scum and ALSO think scum would bus him right off the bat?

That's fucking horrible.

Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other?

LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia.



Throws out lynching me with no explanation - I and others ask about it but never replies - what happened to Moosy?
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On June 14 2015 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like lynching Scot.



Meta reason for calling Damdred scum - still doesn't explain the reasoning on me
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On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.



Goes back to Damdred without reason except for the above?
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On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it.
What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good.
or damdred.




Conclusions -

Oats asks a lot of questions without followup
Follows the bandwagon of the thread until KS wants to be lynched
Shit reasons for wanting to lynch me and Damdred
Unsure what direction he wants to go if he's town
Oats could be mafia.

OK so your case basically is:
1. Oats is not commiting to reads or pushes..
2. Oats talks a lot but doesn't analyse anything.
3. Oats switched without giving reasons.

Mm. I would not lynched over kickstart. But I would lynched over ruxxar.

The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful.
I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time.

Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points.

What exactly is "not committing to reads or pushes?
Also, i have analysed a decent amount, but regardless, why is not analysing scummy?
Why is switching a lot scummy?

Anyone can answer these questions btw.

Hey I'll let him defend his case himself. "Not committing" and "switching a lot" can be scum indicators.

I don't want nor have the time to analyse cases or people now. The main things I want to do is look through Sulfu's filters and through the votes. So I'll stop arguing about cases and people behaviour until day 3.

Why are those scum indicators??

Also what in the world do you mean by committing??
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 12:03 GMT
#1753
They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia.

Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions.

Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't.

Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 12:05 GMT
#1754
I suppose it's two questions though.
I'm a zealot now \o/
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 17 2015 12:20 GMT
#1755
On June 17 2015 21:03 Rels wrote:
They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia.

Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions.

Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't.

Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why.

I already explained why its bad when he asked me.
But basically its a bunch of observations. None of it is actually saying why im mafia because of the things ive done, just the things ive done.
And its a very generic basic list of "bad" things that people do.
Actually, both town and scum do those things. Scott never explained why me doing it is scummy.

So scotts case is bad.
And hes mafia.
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 17 2015 12:26 GMT
#1756
On June 17 2015 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 21:03 Rels wrote:
They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia.

Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions.

Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't.

Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why.

I already explained why its bad when he asked me.
But basically its a bunch of observations. None of it is actually saying why im mafia because of the things ive done, just the things ive done.
And its a very generic basic list of "bad" things that people do.
Actually, both town and scum do those things. Scott never explained why me doing it is scummy.

So scotts case is bad.
And hes mafia.

Alright. I'm not so sure about that last sentence anymore due to moosy's point of scott hammering his vote day 1, before everyone switched to geript. But you're right that his post is more a bunch of observations than a case.

And thinking about it, scott came late end of day 1 and threw away his vote with no explanation. He also came late end of day 2 and voted KS, before switching to Sulfu as the last vote if I recall well, or at least the next to last vote. Suspicious.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 12:31 GMT
#1757
I made a case on Scott.

But when you look at his day 1 voting pattern it didn't seem so solid.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 17 2015 12:32 GMT
#1758
You guys remember when ruxxar said to lynch him over sulfurus because he was 100% confident sulfurus was shitty town and not mafia? Good times.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 12:32 GMT
#1759
However if you aren't rels tells then it makes the case stronger.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2015 12:34 GMT
#1760
On June 17 2015 21:32 ruXxar wrote:
However if you aren't rels tells then it makes the case stronger.


If you aren't mafia it makes the case on Scott stronger*.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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