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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 19 2015 15:08 GMT
#2061
There's also something I'm waiting for that's likely to happen later in the day.
Consider the Bat Trap™ set.
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 19 2015 15:10 GMT
#2062
On June 20 2015 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's also something I'm waiting for that's likely to happen later in the day.
Consider the Bat Trap™ set.


Tell me! I promise I won't spoil it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:14 GMT
#2063
A few other reasons to scumread scott though:

1. Plants' only post. Not letting this one go.
2. From Trfel's case, read progression:
On June 18 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:

Read Progression
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote:
Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now.
He scumreads geript here, but uses the reason that geript is good at mafia to weaken his argument. As a result, he doesn't push this at all (and it would be hard to push geript, because he is a strong player).

He also scumreads MoosyDoosy and batsnacks, back when MoosyDoosy was a very easy target and batsnacks was scumread by most people.

On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.

Let me catch up with the rest and a through read.
It makes no sense whatsoever for town!scott31337 to townread Rels for scumreading the person he replaced for his one post. Assuming that scott31337 is town, he townreads Rels for scumreading someone who scott31337 knows is town and was only able to make one (useless) post. There is no reason whatsoever that Rels should get a townread for this. To me, this feels like scott31337 is attempting to pocket Rels, which makes sense given that Rels would naturally be suspicious of him after the replacement. His explanation here adds that he townread Rels for strongly believing this case, but mafia!Rels has no reason NOT to push his case so strongly because he knows that Fake)Plants is town (thus an easy mislynch) and that he almost certainly won't provide strong resistance.

On June 13 2015 02:27 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 00:10 ruXxar wrote:
On June 12 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
^ Also Kickstart, I wouldn't read too much into ruXx's initial post where he's rambling about slapping/daydreaming about Mafia. It might have been from an attempt to identify himself as a non-aggressor to the Mafia so that when night time comes around, they don't kill him. If the game went on for longer, people would also suspect ruXx more giving the Mafia an easy kill. This actually happens a ton in real life Mafia but it's clear it's totally different online at this point.

Also, going back to his post where he "misses the interaction" which is right after his rambling, it's pretty clear that ruXx is not paying attention whatsoever. As a newbie he was probably just as excited as I was about remaining passive which is why he didn't notice the err in his post. Just the fact that it seems he has no idea whatsoever about what he's saying during his rambling just shows this too.

I'll look through the rest of your points, but I'll try and provide a "newbie perspective." Either way, it looks like he wised up real fast and stopped being as frantic and energetic in his posts.


On June 12 2015 11:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Yeah, the more I read of ruXx's initial posts, the more it seems he's thinking in terms of a real life Mafia game as well as tryharding a bit.

Him intercepting a question was him tryharding a basic read and him supporting lying is from a real life Mafia mindset since lying is much more common in real life.

The last two posts that you point out are kind of shady but even then they err on the side of newbie to online Mafia. Overall I wouldn't vote him just yet until we get more evidence.


Wow moosy.

I have to give you 5 stars for this read.
It's like you're inside my head or something.
I had goosebumps reading this since it was so spot on.

You are absolutely right that my only exposure to mafia has been through watching the TI qualifiers hub, and later watching all stars mafia on youtube.

I really wanted to emulate the dynamic of a live environment, and went in trying to actively counter some of the things i picked up that a mafia would do.

From watching those live mafia games I learned that the number 1 trait of a mafia is to be silent.
They would bide their time and look for arguments to bandwagon onto,
often avoid getting into heated arguments if possible, and when attacked they would try to deflect onto another person.

I admit I am very excited to go out playing my first mafia game, and overracted by claiming my role before day 1 post(I did not know that this was frowned upon).

Another thing that I learned is that it doesn't matter if you are mafia or not, as long as you contribute to try solving the case, then it's good to keep people around just in case they are town, because then in the largest portion of games they would be a boon to you as a town.




This is Rexxar's best post. The goosebumps part sounds so legitimate and would be extremely creative to fake from the posts he made earlier. Slight town read
Slight townread on ruXxar. Then he doesn't mention ruXxar for a while, until:
On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote:
Who I'm liking so far -

Wave
Trfel
n00bKing
Damdred
Oats

Probably wouldn't lynch today -
Rels
Kickstart

Could Lynch -
Batsnacks
Geript
MoosyDoosy
Sulfurus
RuXxar
Including basically everyone who could be lynched today in the "Could Lynch" category. Again, note that he ends up voting for Rels, despite having included him in the "Probably wouldn't lynch today" category, the only reasons being sheeping me and this post:
On June 13 2015 07:37 scott31337 wrote:
KS and Rels are playing a lot different then my last game with either of them, which makes me wonder.

Finally, he's always saying he could lynch geript, without actually pushing it or doing anything about it. When the votes finally switched to geript, and scott31337 switched his own vote to geript, he didn't say anything whatsoever.


I need to move on, I'm running out of time, but I'm pretty confident that scott31337 is mafia.


3. Meta:
- His filter when he was town in HG was 2 pages longer than on this one.
- His filter when he was town in newbie IX was 3 pages on day 1 when he was lynched, more than half the size than this game.
- His filter when he was mafia in newbie VIII was 1 page less than this game.

And you discarded it, but
4. Vote analysis:
- Day 1 ninja voted geript as the last vote.
- Day 2 weird behaviour at EOD.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 19 2015 15:14 GMT
#2064
I just woke up and I told Ruxxar already about ongoing games earlier about me and KS and how it is against the rules to do so - and he talks about the above - and no Damdred reply?

On June 18 2015 07:46 scott31337 wrote:
The other game (Guardians) we played together Ruxx, it's against the rules to talk about ongoing games.


WTF man?!? Did you not read the OP or the game? My last game scum skated the rules and you make me upset how you do this...



So a newb guy unovted at the last minute in our last game and rode that "Town cred" to victory. You are not going to do the same, COME ON MAN.

On June 19 2015 20:24 Rels wrote:
In the meantime can you answer these ?

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript


On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone


Rels -

So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus

Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?

@scott: Why did you ask me that question ?
Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?


Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?



On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript


On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone


Rels -

So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus

Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?

@scott: Why did you ask me that question ?
Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?


It was an association read question from filter diving - Your name was no where to be found. Does that make sense?
How do you feel about Trfel at this time, BTW?

On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?


Nawh, Damdred never AFK'ed for extended periods of time in Guardians he was always around within a reasonable time.

On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.



I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott.
I'm sorry.


So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?

Rels - this question is for you too -

Actually any of the townies... Please answer...

On June 19 2015 22:30 batsnacks wrote:
is it too early for me to start flexing?

*bat-flex*


Are you going to lynch Damdred tomorrow or make up shit and find another mislynch? The question above is for you as well (unless you are not town, of course

On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote:
So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah.


Anything I missed answering for you KS? ^^^^^
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:17 GMT
#2065
On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:


So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?

Rels - this question is for you too -

On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list.
If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 19 2015 15:19 GMT
#2066
On June 20 2015 00:17 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:


So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?

Rels - this question is for you too -

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list.
If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list.

Why ruxxar and not Oats?
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 19 2015 15:19 GMT
#2067
Don't get tunnel vision when I flip town - re-read the whole game - especially on Bats.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 19 2015 15:21 GMT
#2068
If scott flips town I'll lynch damdred/wave.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:21 GMT
#2069
On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 17:22 Rels wrote:
On June 14 2015 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Oh fish ul Votecount


Oatsmaster (0): Kickstart
ruXxar (0): Trfel
Kickstart (0): Sulfurus
Sulfurus (2): Kickstart, geript, batsnacks, WaveOfShadow, scott11331373737373771317371373, MoosyDoosy
Batsnacks (2): n00bKing, ruXxar, Oatsmaster, sulfurus, Rels, Trfel
scott113133373737131731371313713137 (0): Rels
geript (8): WaveofShadow, Rels, Oatsmaster, batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, scott31337
Rels (1): batsnacks, Trfel, Damdred, geript, scott11331373737373771317371373

On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote:
Alright I have to go. I will check from my phone from time to time. For now my vote is on geript. May switch to Damdred if he keeps on lurking.

If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu.

##Vote geript


On June 14 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:
Yo everybody I'm super drunk so I'll post my thoughts and get back to party.

From what I read I'm sure bs and sulfu are both town. Geript is not making sense and didn't answer my question. I think he's mafia so my vote is on the right place.

Damdred stopped lurking and his posts seems townie to me.

From the last post count I m happy to see that my two scumleads are voting for me and geript seems to be the lynch.

Its my last post until tomorrow so take care everyone


Rels -

So Sulfurus made five posts between these two reads - a bad read post on Damdred, and a few posts about lynching Trfel. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Sulfurus

Sulf went from second on your lynch list to "sure town" - Can you inform me how you came to this reasoning? Do you want to lynch Trfel now as well?

@scott: Why did you ask me that question ?
Why did you have the feeling I wanted to lynch Trfel as well?


It was an association read question from filter diving - Your name was no where to be found. Does that make sense?
How do you feel about Trfel at this time, BTW?

Not really. Because I almost never mention Trfel I would like to lynch him ?
Trfel is one of my top town.

On June 19 2015 18:53 Rels wrote:
@Scott Did Damdred afk like that in Holy Gardians ?
In particular, did I ever afk 36 hours in a row ?


Nawh, Damdred never AFK'ed for extended periods of time in Guardians he was always around within a reasonable time.
[/QUOTE]
OK that is weird. May switch to Damdred.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:27 GMT
#2070
On June 20 2015 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 00:17 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:


So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?

Rels - this question is for you too -

On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list.
If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list.

Why ruxxar and not Oats?


My POE list is:
scott
Oats
Damdred
ruxxar

The people voting on my easy train at the start of day 2 are:
batsnacks
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Kickstart
Trfel

There are the same people on the easy scott train too, minus scott and plus Oats.

I think there is at least one mafia on these two easy trains, so I crossed the lists to obtain this one:
scott
Damdred
ruxxar

By the way WOS, you not being on those two easy trains mean you're my top top town.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 19 2015 15:29 GMT
#2071
On June 20 2015 00:21 batsnacks wrote:
If scott flips town I'll lynch damdred/wave.


For what reasons? Now you want to add Wave in there now - I mentioned earlier how you would change your mind on Damdred.

Why would you want to lynch Damdred?

And now Wave?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:32 GMT
#2072
@Scott

Woud like to know the answer to that too.

On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.



I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott.
I'm sorry.

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 19 2015 15:32 GMT
#2073
He's doing his best Oats impression I think.

Damdred is looking better and better to me.
There are definitely people avoiding talking about him in any real respect.
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 19 2015 15:33 GMT
#2074
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.



I still can't get over this statement.

Can you explain what it means Scott?

All you did was quote it and ask me who I want to lynch tomorrow.

Your defense seems forced.

To me it seems like your only defense is " I'm town" and " bats shady"
Give me something I can believe in.
Who is mafia, give me some reads with some substance.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 19 2015 15:34 GMT
#2075
On June 20 2015 00:27 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 00:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On June 20 2015 00:17 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2015 00:14 scott31337 wrote:


So do you want to lynch tomorrow when I flip town?

Rels - this question is for you too -

On June 19 2015 17:00 Rels wrote:
I'll be cool to switch if my vote stay on that list:

On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred

If you're town, then ruxxar and Damdred is my lynch list.
If you're mafia, Damdred is my lynch list.

Why ruxxar and not Oats?


My POE list is:
scott
Oats
Damdred
ruxxar

The people voting on my easy train at the start of day 2 are:
batsnacks
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Kickstart
Trfel

There are the same people on the easy scott train too, minus scott and plus Oats.

I think there is at least one mafia on these two easy trains, so I crossed the lists to obtain this one:
scott
Damdred
ruxxar

By the way WOS, you not being on those two easy trains mean you're my top top town.

I meant to comment on this when you first did it but this is some weird analysis I don't think I've ever seen done before. No offense and I can't explain why exactly unless I sit and think about it, but I don't think this holds water, but at the very least it's super town-mindset. Not that anyone has any doubts at this point.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 19 2015 15:35 GMT
#2076
[image loading]
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 19 2015 15:38 GMT
#2077
It's... a shovel?
a spade?
a tool?
ummm...
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:39 GMT
#2078
OK it's a baby shovel. Not seeing the seal though.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 19 2015 15:39 GMT
#2079
Wave, why am I mafia and why is damdred town if people don't want to talk about him.
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 19 2015 15:44 GMT
#2080
I have to go for a few hours very soon so I hope scott answers to this before I need to go.

On June 19 2015 22:14 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote:
Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia
I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game.



I can't interpret this post any other way than you being mafia Scott.
I'm sorry.

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