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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I'm going to look into this myself. It actually does make a whole lot of sense if one of or both Damdred and Oats are scum that nobody wants to talk about either of them but more so because Damdred isn't even here and the entirety of town has been either completely complacent in the scott lynch or actually attempting to re-evaluate, which is actually way a way better situation than I would expect with a wagon like this that formed so early. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: Please don't misunderstand. I'm not telling scott31337 to stop talking, I just didn't want to talk to him about the same things (ie my reasons for calling him scum) any longer. I'm willing to talk with him about other things.So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 20 2015 02:36 Oatsmaster wrote: We're not allowed to discuss coaching in this game.Well anyway that's a scum slip because if he's town this game, he has a coach so therefore he's mafia. Wave, what wtf? On June 20 2015 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: And why isn't it scott31337? I've made my arguments, and he seems like a solid lynch to me. If you don't want to lynch him, you need to say why. Is it just because of how much strength his wagon has?Guys get off scott. It HAS to be one of Oats/Damdred, and this point I don't really care which one you vote for. I don't have a problem with lynching Oatsmaster, but scott31337 just feels even scummier. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
It's hard for me to remember a specific post but the general feel I get is that he isnt trying to figure out who is mafia, just responding to people and going on his merry little way. Also, he wanted cred for the sulph lynch which is totes scummy. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Damdred might get modkilled anyway. My vote on him initially started partially because I think he might be scum and patially to get him to do something (in response to this post I quoted by Kickstart here) Except looking through and some of the points I've made really lead to believe he's scum. Probably more than Oats but if we're wrong about Scott then it has to be Damdred/Oats because I don't think anyone else makes sense. On June 20 2015 03:20 Trfel wrote: Please don't misunderstand. I'm not telling scott31337 to stop talking, I just didn't want to talk to him about the same things (ie my reasons for calling him scum) any longer. I'm willing to talk with him about other things. We're not allowed to discuss coaching in this game. And why isn't it scott31337? I've made my arguments, and he seems like a solid lynch to me. If you don't want to lynch him, you need to say why. Is it just because of how much strength his wagon has? I don't have a problem with lynching Oatsmaster, but scott31337 just feels even scummier. I guess maybe that's it? I don't know if I remember the last time I've been in a game where everyone unanimously agreed on scum from the start of a day like this. And I suppose that doesn't mean scott's town on its own. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
If we're going to do this we'll do it hard. ##unvote ##Vote: Scott31337 | ||
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Trfel
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WaveofShadow
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 20 2015 03:31 Trfel wrote: It just feels like scott31337 is so scummy, I can't really see scum defending him. They sort of need to bus him at this point. Alright well then if this is the case, when did the bussing start? Was there a 'tipping point' at which you think he looked too scummy to be redeemed even to the other scum? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
##unvote ##Vote: Damdred | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 20 2015 03:32 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not really sure when scum started to actually hard push him.Alright well then if this is the case, when did the bussing start? Was there a 'tipping point' at which you think he looked too scummy to be redeemed even to the other scum? But after his votes towards the end of Day 2, I find it hard to see scum defending him. There were several people who said during Night 2 that his Day 1 voting was towny, and perhaps one of them is scum as well. But after I showed that this argument is wrong, I can't see scum defending scott31337 any more. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
BTW I'm VT so I have no claim to make either. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 20 2015 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote: I guess a lot of our difference in opinion on Damdred is because in my last few games with Damdred, I've always scumread him and I've always been wrong. While Damdred is certainly capable of being an incredible town leader, he doesn't always play to his capabilities.Ok actually, switching back to Damdred because I'm not going to be around for deadline in all likelihood, so if for some reason the entire thread changes their minds you can vote with me :D ##unvote ##Vote: Damdred Although town!Damdred is capable of playing better than he has in this game, his play reminds me of his town play, only there is less of it. And there are several smaller indicators that he is town, particularly his Day 2 voting. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 20 2015 03:39 Trfel wrote: I guess a lot of our difference in opinion on Damdred is because in my last few games with Damdred, I've always scumread him and I've always been wrong. While Damdred is certainly capable of being an incredible town leader, he doesn't always play to his capabilities. Although town!Damdred is capable of playing better than he has in this game, his play reminds me of his town play, only there is less of it. And there are several smaller indicators that he is town, particularly his Day 2 voting. VOTING ASIDE, because it's all most people seem to look at in this game (holy shit i sound like Oats. probably IS town) Why is Damdred town? What have you seen from him that makes him look like town Damdred? Why have your past scumreads on him been wrong? Give me something here. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
No clue what's happening in game atm, I am town though just lazy to an extent | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 20 2015 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote: My past scumreads have been wrong because I've expected Damdred to always play like he does in his best moments. Damdred is certainly a good player, but he doesn't always play to the very high level that he's capable of. (not to pick on Damdred, I'm rarely able to play to my best...)VOTING ASIDE, because it's all most people seem to look at in this game (holy shit i sound like Oats. probably IS town) Why is Damdred town? What have you seen from him that makes him look like town Damdred? Why have your past scumreads on him been wrong? Give me something here. Damdred and I have turned our last few games together into a yelling match, which is one of the main reasons I attributed to town losing those games. If Damdred were scum here, I would expect him to do the same, as it would be an easy way to sidetrack the thread and there's minimal risk for Damdred. Instead, he does this: On June 14 2015 04:43 Damdred wrote: Which I don't really see coming from mafia!Damdred.I'm trying something new here, I'm not going to,give top town trel a hard time about being not sure about me. Instead I'll try to work with and sheep today. This plan is great When Damdred is here, he seems to be willing to lead the thread. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I'm willing then to see what he does now. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Sadly I have sucked this game and I'm well behind at this point and I won't catch up before deadline. So I need a slight recap on why certain players are no longer scrutinized such as rels/rux etc | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 16 2015 14:19 Damdred wrote: Let me reinterate I'm not shitting on you, I want you to stop playing with a chip on your shoulder right now and cooperate towards finding scum to be active. Like you can say a lot about my early game I know its the weakest part of my game and its compounded here by work+replacing in at an awkward juncture, but if I say X is a problem in this situation regardless of alignment its just how I see it. Its not a tunnel, I generally don't tunnel. Here's the thing I honestly think that you are probably town. And we need to not bicker, I accept that I'm playing like shit and I can laugh at myself about it, give me some reads Ks. personally id still rather lynch rux or sul today. I'd rather not lynch moose because of bad reasons. Oats is a possibility he has no real floe this game and can't see his thought movement which is troubling Wave is probably town, rel feels town. Trfel is probably town, bats is defo town. So for me its a pretty small list of players I could see hang today. I see few spotlights of townyness in his play, but otherwise he's been a null read from his actions for me. Only reason for me to suspect him is his lack of activity, and his unwillingness to lead the thread forward. But by process of elimination the most likely scum is Damdred and oats, and I don't think oats is scum if scott is scum. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 20 2015 04:03 ruXxar wrote: Why not?I don't think oats is scum if scott is scum. | ||
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Damdred
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) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).
