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On June 16 2015 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes, I see scum players do it all the fucking time. And of course with the knowledge that he is town you can easily make a short case for that. We will have to agree to disagree here.
Good night. I don't understand what you want to hear. You were wrong. If you want to not be wrong in the future, don't blame your own faults on another player.
I don't want to hear anything. But you try to sell us that boxerfred played a good game when he quite clearly didn't. Of course we are all to blame for misreading him, that's not even in question. But the person who is the most responsible for a mislynch is ALWAYS the guy who gets mislynched.
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What about his play was awful? HMMMM maybe that none of his arguments made any fucking sense and he was constantly straight up making shit up, that he was antagonizing people for no reason, that he was martyring like a mofo and that he did not fight his mislynch until it was way too late.
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Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says.
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On June 16 2015 09:55 justanothertownie wrote:
What about his play was awful? HMMMM maybe that none of his arguments made any fucking sense and he was constantly straight up making shit up, that he was antagonizing people for no reason, that he was martyring like a mofo and that he did not fight his mislynch until it was way too late.
Not only are none of these indications that he is scum, most of them are indications that are the opposite.
Also a lot of these are exaggerations or misinterpretations. I think you need to take a step back, calm down, reread the game. If you don't want to do that then you should take a break from mafia.
finally I think most people in his situation would've given up well before he did, given how little anyone paid attention to things he actually did say.
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I need to stop concerning myself with this game.
If you read this boxerfred - just do not ever play like this again. You are new, shit happens. We learn from it and I will have forgotten about it in a few days. I have no problem with you in general. I am also way more dissapointed in a few seasoned players who did not bother to play this game than I am in you. You just made me rage the most.
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On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says.
I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree.
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it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy.
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On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree.
pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault 
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On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy.
They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example.
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On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree.
Perhaps you should then ask why Palmar gets mislynched so often.
This is not and has never been good advice. People get lynched all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. In fact, every lynch in this game is a prime example of that.
Yes, sometimes you can put a lot of the blame on the player who got mislynched but more often than not the majority of the voters didn't bother to read the victim properly.
Also I find it funny that you don't even notice the irony in this statement. The attitude behind saying "I do not care if you disagree" is pretty much exactly the reason your read was wrong.
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On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault
No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game.
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On June 16 2015 10:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game.
who cares who is the worst player in the game? the point of it isn't to place blame, the point is that you should always look at yourself to get better.
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On June 16 2015 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. Perhaps you should then ask why Palmar gets mislynched so often. This is not and has never been good advice. People get lynched all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. In fact, every lynch in this game is a prime example of that. Yes, sometimes you can put a lot of the blame on the player who got mislynched but more often than not the majority of the voters didn't bother to read the victim properly. Also I find it funny that you don't even notice the irony in this statement. The attitude behind saying "I do not care if you disagree" is pretty much exactly the reason your read was wrong.
There is no irony because if I disagree with your statement has nothing to do with the read. And there is a reason that there are a few players who rarely if ever get mislynched. It's because they are good at the game.
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also I want to point out that shifting the blame on the person who got mislynched does nothing to further your chances at winning the game.
When someone gets lynched you need to go back and look at who contributed to getting that person lynched, because the person that got lynched NO LONGER HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE GAME.
When you shift the blame to the person that just died you basically psychologically have just shot yourself in the foot because the people who voted that person now do not share that burden of blame. It may not be conscious but the rage response that occurs afterward is really dangerous because now you are gonna go in wondering why that player played poorly instead of asking the proper questions that'll actually get you further along in finding scum.
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On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example.
how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do?
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On June 16 2015 10:06 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:04 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game. who cares who is the worst player in the game? the point of it isn't to place blame, the point is that you should always look at yourself to get better.
Yes, I agree. And I never contested that in the slightest. Has nothing to do with what I said though. And now I am seriously gone.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example. how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do?
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You again pointed out something that isn't alignment-indicative. Again, another reason you had the wrong read.
Again, had nothing to do with boxer and everything to do with how you read him.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example. how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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On June 16 2015 10:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:07 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example. how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do? That makes no sense whatsoever.
why?
Can you point out the instances in which a mafia player martyred?
Can you point out all the instances in which a town player did it?
What correlation does martyring have with being scum?
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On June 16 2015 10:08 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:06 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:04 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game. who cares who is the worst player in the game? the point of it isn't to place blame, the point is that you should always look at yourself to get better. Yes, I agree. And I never contested that in the slightest. Has nothing to do with what I said though. And now I am seriously gone.
you just come across as someone who blames boxerfred a lot (and in very strong language) and not yourself that much.
maybe you two just ended up pissing each other off. maybe leaving the game and cooling down is a good idea. gg go re.
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