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On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this.
No, this does not mean anything of the sort.
This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly.
There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless.
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On June 16 2015 08:53 NaCl`y wrote:
Well played. You have certainly improved Half the Sky.
Cheers <3
But I must ask, who are you?
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On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this. No, this does not mean anything of the sort. This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly. There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless.
If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you.
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On June 16 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
You promised a reveal.
Unfortunately, that will not be happening.
Well played to everyone. I feel that this game had a lot needless bickering that could have been avoided simply by being courteous to each other and more understanding of certain situations. I realise that some people had things that made them look overwhelmingly more scummy than the actual mafia but I don't think this environment was particularly helpful in fostering them to prove otherwise.
BoxerFred, I did enjoy playing with you and I am sorry for tunnelling you. Now that I know you were not mafia I'd like to say well played for your Yamato77 read day 1! I hope you continue to play and do not use this game as a metric for future games. I promise they will be better! You do play well, if a bit off-meta for the site, but it was a breath of fresh air.
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I agree with salty, giving up at the end annoyed me but I still enjoyed playing with boxer. He put in a ton of effort and I hope he keeps playing mafia here.
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On June 16 2015 09:03 Mig wrote:
I agree with salty, giving up at the end annoyed me but I still enjoyed playing with boxer. He put in a ton of effort and I hope he keeps playing mafia here.
+1
He has a load of potential I think with time, coaching and experience, this will be all well behind him.
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On June 16 2015 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this. No, this does not mean anything of the sort. This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly. There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless. If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you.
I don't think I'm wrong. Mig never had more than two votes aside from day 1 when he took 3 very early before he really did anything, one of which was from a scum player.
Town was very off, but there were too many lurky players and in this type of game anyone who gives half an effort will survive. That's actually pretty much the crux of the problem. Town had so little useful discussion and every lynch generated nothing other than lots of people parroting each others' opinions. The day 1 lynch was little more than a bandwagon on yamato who rolled over and died because he failed in defending himself and his scummates weren't around or motivated enough to defend him either, day 2 was a pure bandwagon on Chezinu, day 3 a bandwagon on fuba...you see where I'm going with this.
I understand you are not happy with the game but Mig is not the player you should be scrutinizing. Given the circumstances his play was fine.
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Also why the nickname for FF? Fancy feast? I didn't realise he owned cats lol.
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On June 16 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this. No, this does not mean anything of the sort. This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly. There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless. If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you. I don't think I'm wrong. Mig never had more than two votes aside from day 1 when he took 3 very early before he really did anything, one of which was from a scum player. Town was very off, but there were too many lurky players and in this type of game anyone who gives half an effort will survive. That's actually pretty much the crux of the problem. Town had so little useful discussion and every lynch generated nothing other than lots of people parroting each others' opinions. The day 1 lynch was little more than a bandwagon on yamato who rolled over and died because he failed in defending himself and his scummates weren't around or motivated enough to defend him either, day 2 was a pure bandwagon on Chezinu, day 3 a bandwagon on fuba...you see where I'm going with this. I understand you are not happy with the game but Mig is not the player you should be scrutinizing. Given the circumstances his play was fine.
Mig IS NOT the player I am scrutinizing. If you think that is the case then you misunderstand me. But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today. Still I have no problem with Mig overall.
I have a problem with Artanis claiming for no reason and with Chez/Fubas/BFs/VAs play that made it ridiculously easy for mafia to win this game.
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You can play badly and most of the townplayers including me did this game. But you should at least try and those people didn't.
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if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.
I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny.
This game really lacked discussion-starters and people who would poke for reactions/reads and in that kind of atmosphere it is easy for mafia to slide by without contributing anything, because nothing is really expected from them in the first place.
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JAT, I won't speak for the others, but Boxerfred is new, this is his second game ever on TL and his first go at town, that. Let's be honest. I don't know about you, but I did nearly just as bad in my second game on TL...the only reason I was not lynched then was because I was a blue role.
Everyone has to start somewhere. That's all I'm saying.
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On June 16 2015 09:10 justanothertownie wrote:
But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today.
The only thing that matters is votes. You may have thought that about town sentiment but it's fairly clear no one even knew who was on which team.
e: and I also have to disagree on BF's play. He played fine.
I will agree that there was much to be desired from the likes of Fuba, FF, VA, Artanis, etc. However at no point did anyone explain why those players were scum other than their lack of activity giving way to them having bad reads.
It's almost a given that people who don't participate will have bad reads regardless of alignment.
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On June 16 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I won't speak for the others, but Boxerfred is new, this is his second game ever on TL and his first go at town, that. Let's be honest. I don't know about you, but I did nearly just as bad in my second game on TL...the only reason I was not lynched then was because I was a blue role.
Everyone has to start somewhere. That's all I'm saying.
He did nothing but martyr all game, taunt me and make up ridiculous nonsense. I never did shit like that no matter how new I was and I also never got mislynched.
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On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.
I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny.
I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it.
Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_<
I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.
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On June 16 2015 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:10 justanothertownie wrote:
But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today. The only thing that matters is votes. You may have thought that about town sentiment but it's fairly clear no one even knew who was on which team. e: and I also have to disagree on BF's play. He played fine. I will agree that there was much to be desired from the likes of Fuba, FF, VA, Artanis, etc. However at no point did anyone explain why those players were scum other than their lack of activity giving way to them having bad reads. It's almost a given that people who don't participate will have bad reads regardless of alignment.
How do you explain why someone who does not post anything is scum? By that logic you could never lynch lurkers and I know that's not your general policy bugs.
And of course town sentiment matters a lot. If there had been a switch like there often is nowadays then mig was a very viable target.
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On June 16 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Also why the nickname for FF? Fancy feast? I didn't realise he owned cats lol.
I think I actually mistyped his name once as fancy feast then found it funny so I kept doing it all game.
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i certainly put effort into this game its just not in my filter. i read and read and read this game and previous games people were in and kept coming to the same conclusion, everyone in the game was town. Now that we see both scum members played a very different style its not hard to see why.
Not one of my better games obviously but I really had not much to contribute because nothing in this game made any sense.
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On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.
I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny. I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it. Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_< I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.
I am actually surprised noone got the idea that I am blue after I went hardcore against Artanis because of the cc.
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can't really demand much more from a townie than that he keeps active and boxerfred did just that, no idea what the problem is.
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