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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#401
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:26 GMT
#402
On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:26 GMT
#403
On June 03 2015 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:22 Tictock wrote:
@ VE

What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general?

I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL.

I'll be no help - sicklucker has a style that I have an inherently bad time reading (lurky). I've incorrectly read him in every game I've played with him.

Although it's worth pointing out that with statistics like that, you can almost FLIP my read of him and get accurate results. :O


Lol well that's no good, kus that's usually what I do with my reads on him too... >.<

I'll just fall back to my typical strat of ignoring SL as much as I can then.
I can take that responsibility.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 03 2015 00:27 GMT
#404
On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?

Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:29 GMT
#405
On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?

Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed.

I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:29 GMT
#406
On June 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.


I thought I gave a read on Kick, though your right his weak read on milo doesn't build much confidence does it?

I just find it odd that your so middle of the road, but I've never played with you so not sure if it's NAI or not.
I can take that responsibility.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 03 2015 00:29 GMT
#407
On June 03 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 Tictock wrote:
@ VE

What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general?

I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL.

I'll be no help - sicklucker has a style that I have an inherently bad time reading (lurky). I've incorrectly read him in every game I've played with him.

Although it's worth pointing out that with statistics like that, you can almost FLIP my read of him and get accurate results. :O


Lol well that's no good, kus that's usually what I do with my reads on him too... >.<

I'll just fall back to my typical strat of ignoring SL as much as I can then.

Sadly I don't think that's going to help either of us read him XD
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 00:30 GMT
#408
Not sure how I'm being middle of the road?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 03 2015 00:31 GMT
#409
On June 03 2015 09:29 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?

Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed.

I didn't know he was AFK, I knew he wasn't posting. This is the oddest reason to have a problem with me, considering all the other flaws in my reasoning.

No you knew he was AFK. You said, and I quote,
On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...

I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.

Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.

I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.


"SOMEONE UNABLE TO DEFEND HIMSELF"

That directly implies that you knew he was NOT at the keyboard, and that he WAS, in fact, AFK "grabbing dinner" as he posted AFTER you made this post.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 03 2015 00:32 GMT
#410
On June 03 2015 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:26 milo109 wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh

I assume you have a problem with my reasoning or is calling you scum blasphemy?

Nah, I've thought you were mafia since you scumslipped that you knew Choco was AFK. You voting for me just gave me the incentive I needed.


Just for clarification, you're implying that if Milo is mafia, he's mafia with Choco because he knew Choco was afk when Choco hadn't said it in this thread so perhaps by an external means of mafia communication?
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 03 2015 00:33 GMT
#411
Ignore my last post, VE clarified while I was typing
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:34 GMT
#412
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 03 2015 00:35 GMT
#413
On June 03 2015 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Ignore my last post, VE clarified while I was typing

Turn that frown upside-down! I'll still post to you even without a necessity to do so!!!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 00:37 GMT
#414
On June 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.


I said it would take me awhile, I am still making the post. You lot sure are impatient. I also don't see your scum reads on anyone :rollseyes:

Anyways I've only gotten so far as to reiterate and add on my milo read, adding in my other reads now so be patient.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 03 2015 00:40 GMT
#415
On June 03 2015 09:37 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Also everyone is demanding more and more reads from him but the main person who,keeps screaming for,more reads gives one leaves thread promises more comes back and doesn't deliver and,nobody talks about it.


I said it would take me awhile, I am still making the post. You lot sure are impatient. I also don't see your scum reads on anyone :rollseyes:

Anyways I've only gotten so far as to reiterate and add on my milo read, adding in my other reads now so be patient.


Yeah I'm actually curious as to who Damdred's strong scum are as well.


As for Ritoky, I was debating whether or not I'd consider not voting him today and I read a little bit of a Carnaval Do Brasil game he was in and he didn't seem as trolly or confrontational in day 1 as opposed to this game. For those of you wondering, he was town in the Carnaval Do Brasil game. Also, yes I think he's scummy.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 03 2015 00:40 GMT
#416
On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.

Except he did directly respond to my accusation. Directly.

Whatever, I get what you're saying. In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:41 GMT
#417
On June 03 2015 09:30 Damdred wrote:
Not sure how I'm being middle of the road?


By "middle of the road" I mean your not taking any stances. Your giving townreads and saying people aren't as scummy as they look. Just feels like your holding back, showing that your here/active, but not really doing much scum hunting.

I don't think anyone is expecting you to point out the scum team before we've even heard from the full list of players, but I get an odd feeling off your approach to the game thus far.
I can take that responsibility.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:42 GMT
#418
On June 03 2015 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.

Except he did directly respond to my accusation. Directly.

Whatever, I get what you're saying. In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave.

I didn't. Which is why this is even more frustrating. I was wrong on the statement. But I was not predicting an AFK.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 03 2015 00:47 GMT
#419
On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'll

/In

But will be hit and miss on activity

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
/confirm

Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see

sorry


Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D


Hi I am town. Your name is very fitting ^_^

I am inclined to believe the general tone of your post is townie, even though you do repeat yourself a little bit.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 03 2015 00:49 GMT
#420
On June 03 2015 09:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:
On June 01 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'll

/In

But will be hit and miss on activity

On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
/confirm

Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see

sorry


Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D


Hi I am town. Your name is very fitting ^_^

I am inclined to believe the general tone of your post is townie, even though you do repeat yourself a little bit.


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