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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2015 23:54 GMT
#381
And where are you at again in reads ks?
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 02 2015 23:56 GMT
#382
On June 03 2015 08:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Chocolate
Yeah I don't expect anyone to be on all the time. My point has very little to do with your lack of activity and everything to do with the way you framed your absence. But whatever, it's a minor thing and something I'm willing to overlook for the time being.

You say you're caught up now, but that your only actual suspicion is Kickstart from what I can see - and it's for posting with too much authority? And scott, for agreeing with Kickstart? Is this accurate?

More than just that. I think he's trying to guide the discussion in a direction he wants to a high degree. He has also been quick to move around which makes sense but I generally don't really like a ton

Those aren't my only suspicions, they're just ones I was comfortable posting for the time being

I'd like to know your thoughts on other people too though
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
June 02 2015 23:57 GMT
#383
On June 03 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:
And where are you at again in reads ks?

I also would like to know this
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 23:58 GMT
#384
Well of course my most obvious and strongest scum read has been on milo. I will point out that I have found his posting afterwards to be suspect as well but others have pointed it out first so I didn't really say much as I think I put on enough pressure already to get what I needed.

If you are asking for my strongest leaning I would still say milo is my strongest scum read, though I have thoughts on a few others I intend to reveal a bit later. I want to see if they post more before they know I am suspicious of them.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 00:00 GMT
#385
Well since the request for more reads from me has been seconded give me a minute, I'm going to take a small food/washroom break, come back and read anything new, and then give my next read apart from milo.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 00:00 GMT
#386
That's interesting... Sooo where are the other reads? Even if they aren't iron clad?
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:02 GMT
#387
Okay. I'll try to figure out how to use this whole quoting thing.

My top mafia at the moment is indeed Kickstart. I didn't mind his opening, as I can see it happening from a dedicated town perspective. I don't mind his questioning of me. My problems start here:

On June 03 2015 07:01 Kickstart wrote:

Unfortunatly milo this again makes no sense to me, you say you are not comfortable reading people scummy yet throw a vote on him because you just said you don't think (or you aren't convinced) that he is town, which means you DID in fact read him as scummy. But an even bigger issue than that for me is that that is not what you said when you threw down the vote, you threw down the vote because you didn't like his posting, and as I said, you had no way of knowing if this was his usual posting and thus the vote was NOT a vote on who you thought was scummy, even though now you seem to be trying to indicate that it was.

I do not like your actions and I do not find this explanation from you satisfactory.

##Vote: milo109


While I am happy be proven wrong in my logic, this seems to be an inept attempt to bury me. First of all, me saying "I'm not convinced that ritoky is town" is -not- an attempt to call him scummy. I'm calling him Null. I also stated beforehand that was -not- why I was voting him. His bigger problem was that I was trying to indicate my vote was "was NOT a vote on who you thought was scummy," while every post I've made conceded this point.

Then we come to this post.

On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!


This seems to be a mafia perspective. He was the second one to indicate a dislike of my posts. Why was he so paranoid that he would be accused of bandwagoning?

He responds to this with:

On June 03 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote:
Because from my limited experience on here, hoping on a wagon is the ultimate sin. But I guess you are right, I did do it with ample justification and pressure beforehand.


Not everything has to be original. You're allowed to agree with people. If you're more afraid of being seen as hopping on a wagon than lynching mafia, you're not playing right as town.

I can't tell if he didn't read my responses or is just trying to bury here:
On June 03 2015 07:27 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.

Like ritocky I see many contradictions, some of which I just pointed out. But you just made the same contradiction by saying you don't think he is necessarily mafia for voting on you, yet that seems to be exactly why you've thrown a scum read on me.


I clearly stated why I didn't like Kickstart's vote, and why I was fine with ritocky's.

In summation:
I've already taken too much time on this, so I'll wait for a further analysis of his later posts until later. I dislike the way he attacked me. I'm privy to the information that I'm town, and that helps put all this in perspective.




Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:09 GMT
#388
So I'm still working on other stuff and will be a little lurky kus of that, but here is where I am at right now.

Kick is leaning scum to me atm. His whole prepared post right off the bat, into being rather diplomatic and trying to appeas everyone is rubbing me the wrong way atm. I'd be full on scumming him but he did make this post that I really like.
On June 03 2015 08:53 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 08:47 Damdred wrote:
I'm curious why you want so many strong reads from people so early when a lot of thing a are just pure null. He'll I only have 1 really town read, one lean some nulls that are almost leans and one scummy feeling.



I want reads, whether they are strong or not is secondary. I even specified that I just wanted stuff to work with so I don't expect ironclad cases or anything, I just want stuff to work with. And while you may think a lot of things are null, I think there is plenty to work with for people to at least give opinions.


Asking for reads and reasoning is always a good thing to do. It's also an easy thing for scum to do though.. so he still stays a scum lean for now.

I have to admit VE is blowing me away with his townyness thus far. I loved his points against chocolate, I was a bit weirded out by his first post about me, but looking at them again from a scum perspective make sense.

Idk if that's enough to scum chocolate though, everyone tends to do odd stuff D1 to throw out pressure which is what I assumed he was doing. Him dropping that pressure though... far more scummy.

Need to see more from milo, not sure how video mafia works. Seems to me he'd appreciate the graphics from ritoky if that's what he's used to... + Show Spoiler +
Lol I know that's a silly point, clearly video mafia is more about body language tells. Though I'd like to hear more about it at some point. Prob not relevant to this game though.
I can take that responsibility.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 03 2015 00:11 GMT
#389
Again milo I think you are focusing too much on me just because I was pressuring you so hard. That is fine I guess but I still would like to hear thoughts on someone aside from me you find scummy, or am I the only one at this point? Your points in my case I don't find particularly good either but I can address those later if people think they hold weight, for now I will work on posting reads on people aside from you as I have had multiple requests to do so.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:13 GMT
#390
I was asked to make a longer post about my top scum, and I did so. Obviously we seem to be facing off. I'm happy to talk about my other scum reads as well.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:17 GMT
#391
On June 03 2015 09:13 milo109 wrote:
I was asked to make a longer post about my top scum, and I did so. Obviously we seem to be facing off. I'm happy to talk about my other scum reads as well.


If your so happy to discuss them, then discuss them.

We're only going to scum you for holding them back.
I can take that responsibility.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 03 2015 00:20 GMT
#392
Like, "burying" someone in video mafia is just talking over them so they can't defend themselves....milo TWICE uses "bury" in a way I'm not familiar with, so I'm invalidating his case on Kickstart (as that seems to be the crux of his problem with Kickstart) until he clarifies what "burying" means as he uses it in this context.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:22 GMT
#393
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 03 2015 00:22 GMT
#394
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.

I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.

Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.

LAWL

Get voted scruuuuhhhhh
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:22 GMT
#395
@ VE

What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general?

I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL.
I can take that responsibility.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 03 2015 00:23 GMT
#396
By burying I mean attempting to insure the person dies by ignoring their reasoning, and instead pushing their scum read.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 03 2015 00:23 GMT
#397
Honestly guys you are jumping on Milo who made a case which is... ok I suppose.

It showed good thought process and limited reasoning and makes sense. I don't see a newbie Scum going through that sort of thing. He's town just leave him,be for now.

However I don't think what he said makes ks Scum. I think,there are good reasons to,suck,read him bit reverent touched on. And nope not that he's to pushy or in charge those are bad points lol.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 03 2015 00:24 GMT
#398
On June 03 2015 09:22 Tictock wrote:
@ VE

What is your opinion of SL? Both in this game and in general?

I ask kus I'm reading you as town atm, and I might need to fall back on someones reading on him if I start to tunnel him. I've fallen into that trap my first 2 games with SL.

I'll be no help - sicklucker has a style that I have an inherently bad time reading (lurky). I've incorrectly read him in every game I've played with him.

Although it's worth pointing out that with statistics like that, you can almost FLIP my read of him and get accurate results. :O
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#399
@Damdred

I see you doing a lot of defending and town reading so far this game. Any scum reads you have to share?
I can take that responsibility.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 03 2015 00:25 GMT
#400
Ok so here is the deal. I am the best player in this game. Yeah Damdred/VE are good, but no where near as awesome as me. So you guys are lucky I didnt roll scum or this game would be already over. Scum is lucky I didnt roll blue or this game would also already be over.

Ritoky is bad and knows it, SL gives everyone headaches.

The rest of you DONT KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM. I AM ONEGU LEARN IT!!!! KNOW IT!!!

VE is scum trying to make someone look bad for saying someone is AFK comeon man.

Ritoky prolly town for doing the GIF thing since his last gif game was scum.

Rest of you I need more time.

Oh here is my claim...

I am shitty ass VT.
Try TL Mafia!!!
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