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On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.
Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway.
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Oh, and I agree the ritoky has improved his play. Leaning town on him now. Unvote etc.
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On June 03 2015 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 03 2015 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nydus can we be town together this game? That would be swell.
If yes, vote for Chocolate. If no, vote for me so I can vote for you. If I vote on no one, am I claiming third party? Also, don't you have to prove town to me first?  On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote:On June 03 2015 07:52 NydusHerMain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....
Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.
I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.
Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points. @DamdredCan you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts? Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger. Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have. HAHAHAHA loaded question much? Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite. That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this... It's mostly a gut feel. I feel like people who play like he does are hard to read but I also feel like they are not very helpful to town so to me, it's more like a lynch because he'll probably get lynched along the way anyways. If he's mafia great, if he's town, he had it coming. I'll give you time to think, you don't have to decide right away. But the proof is already in the thread - whether you're willing to accept it or not is entirely another issue. So should I assume that you're sweeping Chocolate under the rug? Or should I assume that you're just ignoring my posts maliciously?
I did ignore your post about Chocolate but that's because the only thing I have on him is that he's statistically likely to be well endowed ^^. I'm not particularly good at dealing with choice of wording but I do think it's a little odd. I'd like him to make a couple more posts before I call him any alignment.
Oh, really quick thing, since no one asked and I'm about to leave for dinner, the way I play is I try to give as much content as I can, and I try to leave out fence reads unless I haven't been keeping up with the posts and have nothing to really talk about. If I'm paying a lot of attention to the game, you'll see me giving town reads and scum reads only. Also, if I'm slightly leaning town on someone, I'll call them a town read (and same for scum) even if it's only slight so don't be too offended if I call you mafia and don't feel too safe if you're mafia and I call you town.
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Like okay wtf....
How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)?
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On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.
Last point is actually a really good point.
Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you?
Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise
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On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway.
He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later.
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On June 03 2015 08:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like okay wtf....
How did milo know that Chocolate was AFK? He literally gave no indication that he was leaving, he said he was STILL PLAYING actually because he said "I'm gonna go look at something brb", how did milo know that Chocolate was in a position where he actually physically couldn't respond (i.e. grabbing dinner)?
..... He hadn't posted in the last.. half an hour? It was pretty clear that he wasn't participating in the current discussion.
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On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.
Hi all
I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that.
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On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town.
I'll just say that I agree with the point about Chocolate. His one post and then short afk time afterwards in my mind isn't a real indication of anything. I also second the Nydus stuff, I think his posting thus far puts him at slightly town; I just don't like that Nydus already doeesn't like me but hey what can I do.
I think you are reading way too much into my "tone", whatever than means. Not being particularly fond of me at this point in time because I railed really hard on you so far is reasonable but I would ask that you try and see what I posted from a a perspective other than "He railed on me hard therefor I don't like him", you even conceded that you were using poor logic and you aren't even mad at ritocky for doing more or less the same thing (yet your vote is still there). I don't think your read on what I was saying is at all correct but as I said I guess it is expected for you to not like me much after I went hard on you for a bit. But do you have any scum reads on anyone other than me? You've yet to come out and say anyone is scummy to you (aside from me I guess).
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On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later.
Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy?
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At that point in the game, I felt as if I was about to be lynched no matter what I did. Apparently, I did enough to claw back from the brink.
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On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Last point is actually a really good point. Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you? Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise
Please answer relevant questions
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On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy?
Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting.
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On June 03 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Last point is actually a really good point. Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you? Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise Please answer relevant questions
Can you point out which point of milos you think is really good? Maybe I'm just slow but I can't figure out which one.
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On June 03 2015 08:20 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting.
Well you're wrong about that too. My reasoning is explicit. Whether you think it's a good reason or not is up for debate, but you can't just say "you don't have a reason" when I gave my reason explicitly.
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...just as my last post suggests, the last point he makes is a good point.
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On June 03 2015 08:16 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.
Hi all I've read through the thread just now. I only have one thought immediately off the bat, which is that I find it suspicious that milo comes out with the "if you lynch me for XXX, that's fine". The only thing that regular townies know is that we are not mafia, and that means that the one thing we cannot do is let ourselves be lynched without giving everything first. It's possible milo just felt a bit band-wagoned, but I thought I'd point that out. @milo - I'd like to hear your reasoning for why you said that.
what do you think of me and kickstart? and why do VE's points about chocolate not appeal to you?
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On June 03 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Last point is actually a really good point. Won't Scum give fast reads like that though with perfect information? Why wouldn't Scum,try to pocket you? Why does ve have to wait for,chocolate when he didn't deliver on a promise Please answer relevant questions
I assume you're talking about Nydus about the fast reads/perfect information? Because if you're speaking to my point on Chocolate, I don't think fast reads are bad necessarily. Mafia might shy away from them even with perfect information, for fear of future ramifications.
As for Nydus pocketing me, I specifically pointed that out. I'm aware of the possibility, but at the moment I don't think he is.
Saying 1v1 me is a promise is... stretching it.
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On June 03 2015 08:22 Damdred wrote:
...just as my last post suggests, the last point he makes is a good point.
Sigh, that still doesnt clear it up for me, I assume you mean his point about me then? I mean it is his last 'point' but I really didn't see it as a point, I guess im just biased, but if everyone else knew what point you were referring to I'll just shut up 
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On June 03 2015 08:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 08:20 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:17 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:14 milo109 wrote:On June 03 2015 08:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 03 2015 08:09 milo109 wrote:
Now that I have a second to evaluate the game without immediate fear of being lynched...
I don't think that Chocolate is necessarily mafia for his one post. It's possible he had to go, and he was basing his read on Tiktok off of two posts. It seems a fine opener. Not sure if I like VE attempting to turn attention to someone unable to defend himself.
Nydus is my white knight, and I'm sure that will skew my opinion of him but he seems town just from the irreverent way he gave his reads.
I still don't like Kickstarter. I didn't like the tone of his accusation, and the way he quickly attempted to insure he wasn't thought of 'bandwagoning on me' as if he knew I would flip town. Now just how do you know that he's unable to defend himself? In fact, he's already responded to my point so that makes the bolded completely irrelevant anyway. He didn't seem to be online, thought that has obviously changed. It is easy to accuse someone who can't respond to your points until later. Yeah that's not how it works in forum mafia. At least, that's not how I play it. I play the game as if everyone is here all the time (regardless of whether it's true or not) because there's no way to be online all the time - so chances are I'm going to miss people when I'M online. Therefor it doesn't make any sense to wait to accuse someone until they're IN the thread because I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE THREAD THEN. Savvy? Hadn't thought of it that way. You're correct. I still don't think you had a reason to call him mafia, but I was wrong about diverting. Well you're wrong about that too. My reasoning is explicit. Whether you think it's a good reason or not is up for debate, but you can't just say "you don't have a reason" when I gave my reason explicitly.
Again you are correct. Apologies. I don't agree with your reason.
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