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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:29 GMT
#301
On June 03 2015 07:21 milo109 wrote:
I thought I wouldn't post there until I was actually certain of something.


Wait, I'm confused by your stance here as well.

You "voted" him + Show Spoiler +
thanks scott for point out there's a separate thread for that
kus you didn't like his posts, then say it was just pressure, and now think you have a chance of being certain on stuff D1?

Def could be scum there.

@Milo
SL asked before and I didn't see you answer. What is your prior Mafia experience?
I can take that responsibility.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:33 GMT
#302
Nydus post is just weird to me, I of course don't like his scumread on me because he admits he hasnt read then claims I am tunneling ritocky for bad posting which I am not at all doing. I admit I didn't like his image/gif nonsense but I also stated I wanted to find out if this is normal of him and since then me and ritocky have just both been pressuring milo. To Nydus and everyone, it would help if you actually read everything before posting and didnt say "I didnt read everything but I think _____", if you did this you wouldn't give everyone a confused town vibe.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 22:33 GMT
#303
Milo asked me that? Thats funny because of ogi stuff. what ive played here. 50 turbos on 2+2 4 mishmashes 1 video mafia game that I told him about yesterday
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 02 2015 22:33 GMT
#304
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....

Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.

I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.

Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:36 GMT
#305
On June 03 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.


nope, this is my reason for voting you:

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.


but you're not pressuring me. you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town, you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players, you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning, and you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.

you might be mafia.


and the contradiction is very clear.

Perhaps I'm blind, but I still can't see a contradiction. I said I voted you for your playstyle, you said you voted me for a variety of reasons that I suppose I'll attempt to refute now.

but you're not pressuring me: The whole pressure attempt went down the drain after everyone pressured me got my vote.

you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town: Just how I type and how I play. Perhaps as I play more I'll start feeling comfortable enough to post links to images.

you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players: I got the joke. I just didn't find it very funny.

you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning: As I have said before, it was indeed not good reasoning. That wasn't why I voted. Also.. this scumread on me is more popular than voting on you.

you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.: It's hard to answer four people at once.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 02 2015 22:36 GMT
#306
On June 03 2015 07:33 Kickstart wrote:
Nydus post is just weird to me, I of course don't like his scumread on me because he admits he hasnt read then claims I am tunneling ritocky for bad posting which I am not at all doing. I admit I didn't like his image/gif nonsense but I also stated I wanted to find out if this is normal of him and since then me and ritocky have just both been pressuring milo. To Nydus and everyone, it would help if you actually read everything before posting and didnt say "I didnt read everything but I think _____", if you did this you wouldn't give everyone a confused town vibe.


I did read. I didn't get to fully proofread what I was writing so I might have said the wrong thing by mistake but what I meant to say was if I saw a one liner that I thought was pointless, I didn't really read who posted it because it was boring and useless information. Unless people were posting while I was making my previous post(s), I had read everything up until that point.

Also, I didn't say you were tunnelling on Ritoky, I was saying you were pushing light scum on him without calling him scum which I think is scummy.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2015 22:37 GMT
#307
So, gut feeling is Milo stuff isn't as bad as it is being made out to,be. If you think,he's Scum Ok that's fine.

Don't tunnel him before he has tile to do anything else.

Answer me this why,can't his reasons be all he's said? Does town never contradict themselves? Are both these things only scum oriented
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
June 02 2015 22:38 GMT
#308
On June 03 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote:
Milo asked me that? Thats funny because of ogi stuff. what ive played here. 50 turbos on 2+2 4 mishmashes 1 video mafia game that I told him about yesterday


No I said you asked him that...

Don't make me freak out over you not reading SL...
I can take that responsibility.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:38 GMT
#309
On June 03 2015 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:21 milo109 wrote:
I thought I wouldn't post there until I was actually certain of something.


Wait, I'm confused by your stance here as well.

You "voted" him + Show Spoiler +
thanks scott for point out there's a separate thread for that
kus you didn't like his posts, then say it was just pressure, and now think you have a chance of being certain on stuff D1?

Def could be scum there.

@Milo
SL asked before and I didn't see you answer. What is your prior Mafia experience?

Alright. There is no certainty in life. I should have said more certain.

I've been busy typing, so I apologize for any posts I might have missed. I have played video mafia for a couple months, never played forum before.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 22:39 GMT
#310
I dont rly like kickstarter either. Way to tryhard for a first post for my liking.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 22:39 GMT
#311
On June 03 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
So, gut feeling is Milo stuff isn't as bad as it is being made out to,be. If you think,he's Scum Ok that's fine.

Don't tunnel him before he has tile to do anything else.

Answer me this why,can't his reasons be all he's said? Does town never contradict themselves? Are both these things only scum oriented


I agree but its so unlike you to defend a person
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:42 GMT
#312
On June 03 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
So, gut feeling is Milo stuff isn't as bad as it is being made out to,be. If you think,he's Scum Ok that's fine.

Don't tunnel him before he has tile to do anything else.

Answer me this why,can't his reasons be all he's said? Does town never contradict themselves? Are both these things only scum oriented


So do you have a town read on him? Or don't think he deserves the pressure I am putting on him?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:43 GMT
#313
On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....

Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.

I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.

Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE


The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points.
@Damdred
Can you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts?

Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger.

Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:44 GMT
#314
Also I don't mind nydus, he gets a town lean for reads contrary to thread sentiment and other stuff.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:45 GMT
#315
Also SL not liking me for being "too tryhard". lol ok. If you don't like me yet in my opinion I've definatly been spurring lots of discussion and posting then that is quite strange in my opinion. You also ignored my question to you:
On June 03 2015 07:15 Kickstart wrote:
Where has SL gone?!

@sicklucker
What are your thoughts on the milo developments?


But you did agree with Damdred that the milo stuff is being blown out of proportion so I guess that answers my question anyways.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:48 GMT
#316
dunno bout dem day 1 associative reads doe LOL.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 02 2015 22:49 GMT
#317
Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on.

This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes.

So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate.

On June 03 2015 06:08 Chocolate wrote:
I just wanted to vote you because your opening post was weirdly cheery

I don't know who you are either lol

As for kickstart's post, I also played some games in 2012/2013 I believe. I'll go back and see if I played with any of you people


Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:50 GMT
#318
On June 03 2015 07:36 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.


nope, this is my reason for voting you:

On June 03 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.


but you're not pressuring me. you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town, you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players, you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning, and you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.

you might be mafia.


and the contradiction is very clear.

Perhaps I'm blind, but I still can't see a contradiction. I said I voted you for your playstyle, you said you voted me for a variety of reasons that I suppose I'll attempt to refute now.

but you're not pressuring me: The whole pressure attempt went down the drain after everyone pressured me got my vote.

you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town: Just how I type and how I play. Perhaps as I play more I'll start feeling comfortable enough to post links to images.

you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players: I got the joke. I just didn't find it very funny.

you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning: As I have said before, it was indeed not good reasoning. That wasn't why I voted. Also.. this scumread on me is more popular than voting on you.

you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.: It's hard to answer four people at once.


1 question: why make this post?

On June 03 2015 06:57 milo109 wrote:
Fine! You've got me. This is not a vote based on impeccable logic.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:50 GMT
#319
I will never go on d1 association reads to lynch someone on d1. However if someone is lynched and flips red then we clearly have to look at who associated themselves with that person. (that is to say, if we lynch milo and he flips red, there are some people who I think are going to be implicated immediately).
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 02 2015 22:52 GMT
#320
On June 03 2015 07:43 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:33 NydusHerMain wrote:
Okay so I was formatting and pressed the wrong button.... to save myself the embarassment... I'm just going to barebone the rest -_- ....

Even though I said I didn't like Kickstarter, I also, funny enough, don't like Ritoky. His playstyle is just something I'm willing to vote on irrelevant of alignment. If we lynch him and he flips mafia, I'll gladly take the credit. If he flips town, I gladly take the blame.

I have a town read on Milo, I liked his reaction to Damdred and I liked that he was pressuring Ritoky (or at least attempting to). I don't see what's scummy about him to Kickstarter. Everything he says seems genuine to me.

Also, I'm kind of glad I pressed post by accident because I'm not a very frequent poster (I usually just post big WoTs or at least plan to) and I was scared I wouldn't meet the 10 posts per 72 hours rule. Phew.... See you guys again in 9 hours since I just need to make 1 post per 9 hours to meet the quota for this cycle. PEACE


The rest of your post is even more odd to me. For one you just aligned yourself with Milo, for seemingly no reason (and I will also point out that you specifically mentioned his reaction to Damdred which was exactly what milo used as a town read on Damred but which is something that didn't stick out at all to me). Right now I clearly see a milo, Nydus, Damdred connection here which I find really odd given that, in my opinion, nothing has happened for you three to align yourselves like this. To be fair, Damdred has said nothing to align himself with them Nydus but there is a slight connection there in that these 3 seem to be thinking alike and making the same points.
@Damdred
Can you give detailed thoughts on milo and Nydus strange posts?

Also, while I'm posting this Damdred also defended milo, making the link between them 2 even stronger.

Another thing about your post that I quoted Nydus is that I really don't like that you said you are willing to vote ritocky just because you don't like his posting. Scum are the ones who don't care who is lynched, and the fact that you state that you don't care if he is town and is lynched is not an opinion a towns person should have.


HAHAHAHA loaded question much?

Anyways, I didn't completely flesh out my Milo townread because I was kind of annoyed that I hit post before I even finished posting and when I was about to edit, I remembered it was against the rules. To me, I think he's defending himself decently against both you and Ritoky, and his vote on Ritoky didn't feel out of place. I saw it as a pressure vote and didn't see it as anything he was going to keep forever unless he continued to see Ritoky as scummy. When someone called him out for contradiction, he admitted to making the mistake pretty quickly and I don't think that it's scummy to be stuck making a logic error. If he tried to stick with the error and pretend that it was correct, then I would think he was scummy but he did the opposite.
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