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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:06 GMT
#281
On June 03 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky


For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.


The last game he did this was in MMM2 and he was the RB and got lynched day 3. Damdred won the game for scum.


here's me doing it as town too: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=ritoky&page=2
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:07 GMT
#282
On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!


why are you worried about people accusing you of being on a wagon if you think he is scum? wat?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 02 2015 22:08 GMT
#283
I like Kickstart's post so far, slight town read
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:09 GMT
#284
On June 03 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!


why are you worried about people accusing you of being on a wagon if you think he is scum? wat?

Because from my limited experience on here, hoping on a wagon is the ultimate sin. But I guess you are right, I did do it with ample justification and pressure beforehand.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:10 GMT
#285
On June 03 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!


why are you worried about people accusing you of being on a wagon if you think he is scum? wat?

Because from my limited experience on here, hoping on a wagon is the ultimate sin. But I guess you are right, I did do it with ample justification and pressure beforehand.


well technically you're not even on it, i am the only one who has voted in the entire game.

#rektnerd
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:12 GMT
#286
On June 03 2015 07:10 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 07:02 Kickstart wrote:
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!


why are you worried about people accusing you of being on a wagon if you think he is scum? wat?

Because from my limited experience on here, hoping on a wagon is the ultimate sin. But I guess you are right, I did do it with ample justification and pressure beforehand.


well technically you're not even on it, i am the only one who has voted in the entire game.

#rektnerd


True, I'm dumb =[
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 02 2015 22:12 GMT
#287
On June 03 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.

I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere


I know how you don't like to give away your "magic secret meta tricks" but can you elaborate a little more on this? I just showed the MMM2 game you were scummates and he showed his XXX town game. What's the difference you see?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:15 GMT
#288
Where has SL gone?!

@sicklucker
What are your thoughts on the milo developments?
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:18 GMT
#289
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:18 GMT
#290
Apologies for my terrible formatting. I'm working on it.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 02 2015 22:19 GMT
#291
There is a voting thread, your vote actually does not count, BTW.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:21 GMT
#292
I thought I wouldn't post there until I was actually certain of something.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#293
On June 03 2015 06:43 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?

It's not. It's just annoying. But when you are belligerent towards town from day one, I don't see any reason to keep you in the game. I don't know enough about your meta to decide if this is town or mafia, but I'm happy to leave my vote where it is at the moment.


On June 03 2015 06:57 milo109 wrote:
Fine! You've got me. This is not a vote based on impeccable logic.


outside of all of the stuff i have already stated that you haven't answered for. let's just toss you contradicting yourself into the mix:

[image loading]

i mean either you're trolling which means i should vote on you for the reasons you're voting on me, or you're telling the truth which means i should vote on you cuz you're mafia. either way you're telling me to vote on you.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#294
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#295
On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.

It just gets worse and worse. My use of 'unfortunately' was me indicating that for you, it is unfortunate that your first post wasn't convincing to me and I was pointing out that "Unfortunatly milo this again makes no sense to me,...", saying that your explanation was again not making sense to me. Also interesting that you are unsure of if I'm putting on a front, or as you put it, "It's possible that he actually feels that way". What from me would indicate that I do not feel this way lol?
I find the fact that you are scum reading me based only on the fact that I have a vote on you suspicious as well, though it is a thing new players tend to do.
Another issue is that while you read me scummy for voting you, you said that ritocky, for the exact same reason is null to you???? But then you are sticking to your original mistake and just doubling down on your scummy vote by stating "Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote." All of this makes no sense.

Also want to make sure I point out the alignment with Damdred you just made, which I want to hear more about because while I haven't been specifically keeping an eye on what he had to say to and/or about you, nothing jumped out at me.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:27 GMT
#296
On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.

Like ritocky I see many contradictions, some of which I just pointed out. But you just made the same contradiction by saying you don't think he is necessarily mafia for voting on you, yet that seems to be exactly why you've thrown a scum read on me.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 02 2015 22:27 GMT
#297
I'm not going to lie, I skimmed over a lot of the unsubstantial one liners but from the posts I actually think had any value, I have a couple of town and scum.

So far, I don't really like [colour = red]KickStarter[/color] too much. His initial post gave me a horrible vibe so maybe my read is majorly affected by confirmation bias but I dislike the way he's interacting with Ritoky. He isn't really flat out calling Ritoky scum but it just feels like he's softly pushing scum on him with the way he keeps talking about how Ritoky's playstyle is bad, etc.

I also dislike
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 22:28 GMT
#298
On June 03 2015 06:46 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:43 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


sort of ya. Is there a post limit this game?


I thought you read the OP SL?

Show nested quote +
E. Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion:

N = 6. H


no? i specifically said I didnt as i subed in 5 minutes before the game started. I rarely read the op anyway I just wing it which is where most of my dumb tells come from
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:28 GMT
#299
On June 03 2015 07:25 milo109 wrote:
Not exactly sure what your point is. I don't think you're necessarily mafia for voting me. I've not given you any grief for that. You have the same justification to vote me that I have to vote on you. Aside from that, I don't see a contradiction.


nope, this is my reason for voting you:

On June 03 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.


but you're not pressuring me. you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town, you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players, you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning, and you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.

you might be mafia.


and the contradiction is very clear.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 22:29 GMT
#300
I didn't scum read you merely based on the vote. I scum read you for how you framed the vote. I preferred the way and the reason ritocky voted me.
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