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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:45 GMT
#261
On June 03 2015 06:44 Damdred wrote:
Ritoky rit rit. Is your body ready foe it


[image loading]
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:46 GMT
#262
On June 03 2015 06:43 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?

It's not. It's just annoying. But when you are belligerent towards town from day one, I don't see any reason to keep you in the game. I don't know enough about your meta to decide if this is town or mafia, but I'm happy to leave my vote where it is at the moment.


you might be mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:46 GMT
#263
On June 03 2015 06:43 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


sort of ya. Is there a post limit this game?


I thought you read the OP SL?

E. Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion:

Show nested quote +
N = 6. H
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:46 GMT
#264
On June 03 2015 06:43 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


sort of ya. Is there a post limit this game?


post minimum, no maximum or else i am gonna waste it in 12 hrs.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:47 GMT
#265
EBWOP
Sorry missed a line: OP reads
E. Activity is desirable, but not overdoing it. In case you overdo it, a host may PM you limiting your posting in the following fashion:
Show nested quote +

N = 6. H


Where H is the number of full hours until the end of the ongoing daytime, and N is the number of posts you may use.
I can take that responsibility.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 21:49 GMT
#266
On June 03 2015 06:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


My first game on TL was with ritoky. I don't recall him doing graphics at all.

I was going to double check that game, but I don't see it listed anymore?


Check the TL Mafia Database in the username section, all users who have played are listed and all the games they have been in are in their spolier.

On June 03 2015 06:38 Tictock wrote:
Oh like, he's policing how much people post?


Assume he means that is basically boiled down to how I think the game should be played, which is basically correct. But I would argue that everything I said is correct
-----------------------
I was not pleased with ritoky at first but I like his recent posting and at least he is explaining things now.

I want to hear more from milo now because everything he has done thus far gives me a scrum read on him, if only slightly.

@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2015 21:51 GMT
#267
So ritoky shouldn't be lynched today at all. I have a pretty strong town read on him currently so remove your votes.

I'll revisit him during the night to,make sure but let us look for mafia elsewhere
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 21:52 GMT
#268
On the topic of post requirements, host posted this:
On June 02 2015 22:51 GlowingBear wrote:
There is a minimum activity required of 10 posts per cycle (in other words, 10 post per 72 hours), which is already low. I don't like games where people have so much low activity that it is impossible to have an idea of his/her alignment. The only way to play forum Mafia is to write posts. If there are no posts, there is no game.

I've talked to mtamburini and he will be on the replacement list. So there is one spot for any player who wants to sign in


How strict they will be on the 10 required posts per cycle is up to them, but that is what I was referring to earlier.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 21:53 GMT
#269
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 21:53 GMT
#270
I assume I'm not allowed to edit that?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2015 21:55 GMT
#271
How is it a pressure vote when you are telling him it's just pressure?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:56 GMT
#272
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.


but you're not pressuring me. you're taking the game very seriously from the start which a new player is more likely to do as mafia than town, you can't see a joke which is a mafia tell for many players, you called me mafia at a point only when it became popular opinion and for not good reasoning, and you're ignoring my posts that aren't pictures.

you might be mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:56 GMT
#273
On June 03 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote:
On the topic of post requirements, host posted this:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 22:51 GlowingBear wrote:
There is a minimum activity required of 10 posts per cycle (in other words, 10 post per 72 hours), which is already low. I don't like games where people have so much low activity that it is impossible to have an idea of his/her alignment. The only way to play forum Mafia is to write posts. If there are no posts, there is no game.

I've talked to mtamburini and he will be on the replacement list. So there is one spot for any player who wants to sign in


How strict they will be on the 10 required posts per cycle is up to them, but that is what I was referring to earlier.


Partially why I wanted to try this game, I really don't like when people make like 3 posts per Day Phase. Well that and the kickass flavor going on ^.^
+ Show Spoiler +
Not even sure why I like it so much, Just a decent concept for a mafia game, plus it's all sci-fi!


So I agree with milo looking like he just wants to fit in a little with those posts. Other than that I have nothing much to add till more people show up.

I'll be around most of today though and possibly lurking a bit, but afking for an hour or two.
I can take that responsibility.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 21:57 GMT
#274
Fine! You've got me. This is not a vote based on impeccable logic.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:57 GMT
#275
On June 03 2015 06:55 Damdred wrote:
How is it a pressure vote when you are telling him it's just pressure?


this made me laugh.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:59 GMT
#276
also damdred....if you're mafia fuck you for pocketing me. if you're town fuck you one day i will shake that read.....one day.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 22:00 GMT
#277
On June 03 2015 06:57 milo109 wrote:
Fine! You've got me. This is not a vote based on impeccable logic.


okay.

##vote: milo
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:01 GMT
#278
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him. [/QUOTE]

Just to be clear, DO NOT EDIT THAT POST (against the rules), but you should preview your posts before posting ;]. I will help everyone out, he basically responded to my post:
On June 03 2015 06:49 Kickstart wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 03 2015 06:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


My first game on TL was with ritoky. I don't recall him doing graphics at all.

I was going to double check that game, but I don't see it listed anymore?


Check the TL Mafia Database in the username section, all users who have played are listed and all the games they have been in are in their spolier.

On June 03 2015 06:38 Tictock wrote:
Oh like, he's policing how much people post?


Assume he means that is basically boiled down to how I think the game should be played, which is basically correct. But I would argue that everything I said is correct
-----------------------
I was not pleased with ritoky at first but I like his recent posting and at least he is explaining things now.

I want to hear more from milo now because everything he has done thus far gives me a scrum read on him, if only slightly.

@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:

On June 03 2015 06:27 milo109 wrote:
I want to vote Ritoky just for making me look at that image....

On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

with this:
On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:
Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.


Unfortunatly milo this again makes no sense to me, you say you are not comfortable reading people scummy yet throw a vote on him because you just said you don't think (or you aren't convinced) that he is town, which means you DID in fact read him as scummy. But an even bigger issue than that for me is that that is not what you said when you threw down the vote, you threw down the vote because you didn't like his posting, and as I said, you had no way of knowing if this was his usual posting and thus the vote was NOT a vote on who you thought was scummy, even though now you seem to be trying to indicate that it was.

I do not like your actions and I do not find this explanation from you satisfactory.

##Vote: milo109
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 02 2015 22:02 GMT
#279
On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky


For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.


The last game he did this was in MMM2 and he was the RB and got lynched day 3. Damdred won the game for scum.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 22:02 GMT
#280
Seems people are already on milos ass for this before I could throw that post together, just keep in mind I raised the initial concern and it took me some time to write my last post, I don't want to be accused of hoping on the milo wagon!
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