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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:27 GMT
#241
On June 03 2015 06:25 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:24 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:08 Kickstart wrote:
It seems some of you already know each other well, at least I gather that from the Tictock banter. Anyone care to give me some background? Who has played with each other before, who is good, why are there 2 votes immediatly on TT?


Ritoky might be a good mafia thats about it.


[image loading]


meh onegu and ve might even be better mafia then you. You were just part of the dream team so I gotta give you some credit


say that to my winning streak nerd
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:29 GMT
#242
On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick

It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.

The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.


My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon.

Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'll

/In

But will be hit and miss on activity

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
/confirm

Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see

sorry


Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D


saw good town environment, stopped reading.

[image loading]


Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images?


It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 21:29 GMT
#243
To be fair I already don't like his posting either. Its kind of amusing though because I asked that people don't abuse the 10 post rule by just posting 10 substance-less posts and calling it a day, which is the exact impression he is giving me by first not even reading my post (at least that's what I assume his post quoting me meant, until he clarifies as I have asked him to do) and by expressing everything in images or GIFS.

@ ritoky
Please stop expressing thoughts in this manner, if you want to add them on at the end fine, but posting only an image or gif, or only a one liner followed by an image/gif is in no way helpful.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 21:30 GMT
#244
On June 03 2015 06:27 Damdred wrote:
Let us get right to it.

I would generally just come out with my ritoky read right off the bat but I'm going to hold off here for a few reasons. Need to see more postings at this point.

However I don't get why tick is being so weird about Sl and him tunneling in previous games it just feels a bit fake? Also he mentions other people he's suspicious of? I'm not sure what that is, overall his postings give me a strange feeling.

Kick while I agree with his post it isn't alignment indicative to an extent pre made posts usually aren't.

Moving on I need a henchman to do,my bidding who,will it be


oh you wont like tictock...
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 21:30 GMT
#245
On June 03 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:25 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:24 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:08 Kickstart wrote:
It seems some of you already know each other well, at least I gather that from the Tictock banter. Anyone care to give me some background? Who has played with each other before, who is good, why are there 2 votes immediatly on TT?


Ritoky might be a good mafia thats about it.


[image loading]


meh onegu and ve might even be better mafia then you. You were just part of the dream team so I gotta give you some credit


say that to my winning streak nerd


whatever nerd. I lead a lynch on you in a game once was easy!
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:31 GMT
#246
On June 03 2015 06:29 Kickstart wrote:
To be fair I already don't like his posting either. Its kind of amusing though because I asked that people don't abuse the 10 post rule by just posting 10 substance-less posts and calling it a day, which is the exact impression he is giving me by first not even reading my post (at least that's what I assume his post quoting me meant, until he clarifies as I have asked him to do) and by expressing everything in images or GIFS.

@ ritoky
Please stop expressing thoughts in this manner, if you want to add them on at the end fine, but posting only an image or gif, or only a one liner followed by an image/gif is in no way helpful.


[image loading]
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:32 GMT
#247
On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick

It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.

The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.


My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon.

On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'll

/In

But will be hit and miss on activity

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
/confirm

Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see

sorry


Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D


saw good town environment, stopped reading.

[image loading]


Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images?


It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it.


Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too...

##Unvote

Even if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?
I can take that responsibility.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 21:32 GMT
#248
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:32 GMT
#249
On June 03 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:25 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:24 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:08 Kickstart wrote:
It seems some of you already know each other well, at least I gather that from the Tictock banter. Anyone care to give me some background? Who has played with each other before, who is good, why are there 2 votes immediatly on TT?


Ritoky might be a good mafia thats about it.


[image loading]


meh onegu and ve might even be better mafia then you. You were just part of the dream team so I gotta give you some credit


say that to my winning streak nerd


whatever nerd. I lead a lynch on you in a game once was easy!


can't hear you from up on my pedestal.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 21:32 GMT
#250
theres a 10 post rule? omg if thats true im alrdy out see you torm. Never rly read the op since I just subed in
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 02 2015 21:33 GMT
#251
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:36 GMT
#252
On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:24 Kickstart wrote:
On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick

It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.

The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.


My point is that we need to foster an environment that doesn't allow inactivity, this is clearly the best environment to have and thus we should strive for it. How we will deal with people that are inactive anyways is another matter. Also people should, eventually, share most of their thoughts. Holding back your thoughts initially to build on them is fine, I already find some things scummy but I am waiting to add to this so as not to let the person/people I find scummy change what they are doing so soon.

On June 03 2015 06:12 ritoky wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 03 2015 06:02 Kickstart wrote:
I just want to go ahead and get this out.

A good town environment is one in which no one is allowed to lurk or be passive and not post much of their thoughts. While I honestly don't know any of the players in this game I believe some are new so to them and to everyone else, you have to post. Whether you are 100% sure in your reads or not, posting is good for town. Even if your reads are wrong, being active is good for town to figure out the game. I refuse to allow the game to be a passive one where several people are lurking and not being active and contributing to the conversation because that automatically makes the game harder on town and lessens town's win chance. The 10 post per cycle rule enacted by the host is a good first step but I think it is up to us to make sure that people don't abuse the rule by just posting the minimum number of times and saying nothing of substance.

Now what I said applies to every game of course, an active town is always better than a passive town with several lurkers; but I particularly wanted to lead in with this point because I already feel like we might be heading in the direction of a passive/inactive town. So this is directed to everyone but specifically directed @ Damdred and Tictock:

Damdred and Tictock already posted before the start of the game that they might not be active. Here are Dam's and TT's posts I am referring to:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 06:12 Damdred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I'll

/In

But will be hit and miss on activity

Show nested quote +
On June 01 2015 12:51 Tictock wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
/confirm

Not very motivated atm, might pick up as the game goes on, we'll see

sorry


Thankfully they have both said that they are just sort of busy at the start but will have more time and be more active. I just want to urge them both to be as active as they can from the start, that way everyone can gets reads on them and we don't let them both through just because they aren't active in the first phase but might be in the phases after.

Just to be clear though, I am not accusing either of you nor am I suspicious of you for it, because those statements are clearly not alignment indicative because they were made before the game began and people had their roles. I am just saying that I refuse to allow the game to devolve into a passive town game with people lurking and posting nothing of substance and those events already have me worried that we may find ourselves in that position. So I urge you, along with everyone else, to be as active as you can, even if you are strapped for time.

Now that that is out of the way, could those who have played in games with some of the other people in the game (or if you know them) tell me who the strong players? I haven't played mafia on here since 2012 so I have no idea who the good players are and I think knowing this is helpful. I know this request seems a bit scummy ("Oh you wan't to know who the good players are so you can get rid of them!") but I will just concede that and say that knowing who is good tells everyone that those players:
a) should not be lurking because if they are good they are usually always active in their games (so if they are lurking and posting not much substance it will be suspicious),
and,
b) they would be valuable assets (so we should expect strong town play from them and we would expect mafia to try and get rid of them), both good pieces of information for town.

That is all I have for now, get to posting and being active everyone! :D


saw good town environment, stopped reading.

[image loading]


Can you clarify please? I think you mean you basically eyerolled at my post at the second line and didn't bother reading it. Could you clarify what you meant, and in the future not post your thought in the form of GIFs and images?


It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it.


Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too...

##Unvote

Even if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?


There was 0 content. 1 post in the game was made before that post, thus it inherently was devoid of content. The only thing it could talk about was the 1 post before it and be relevant. It was planned and a waste of time so I didn't read it. It was just some dude stating "HEY I AM GONNA TRAFFIC COP" whoopdy doo. Coulda just done it w/o holding up a giant flag and wasting people's time.

Also fire case on page 3. lulz
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:36 GMT
#253
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


My first game on TL was with ritoky. I don't recall him doing graphics at all.

I was going to double check that game, but I don't see it listed anymore?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:38 GMT
#254
Also I'm sorry I don't know what "traffic cop" means in context of this game.
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:38 GMT
#255
On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 02 2015 21:38 GMT
#256
Oh like, he's policing how much people post?
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 02 2015 21:40 GMT
#257
On June 03 2015 06:38 Tictock wrote:
Also I'm sorry I don't know what "traffic cop" means in context of this game.


A traffic cop is this guy:

[image loading]

but in mafia it is someone who devotes most of their time to trying to keep discussion "on topic" or "about the right issues" and such. someone who does more directing of players and the game than actually finding scum or giving information.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 02 2015 21:43 GMT
#258
On June 03 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 06:32 milo109 wrote:
Alright. I'll bite. For the reasons of trolling a little too much and misspelling the quote in your signature:

##Vote ritoky


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?

It's not. It's just annoying. But when you are belligerent towards town from day one, I don't see any reason to keep you in the game. I don't know enough about your meta to decide if this is town or mafia, but I'm happy to leave my vote where it is at the moment.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
June 02 2015 21:43 GMT
#259
On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.


sort of ya. Is there a post limit this game?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 02 2015 21:44 GMT
#260
Ritoky rit rit. Is your body ready foe it
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