EPTYou call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha.
Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30.
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Damdred
15669 Posts
You call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha. Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote: I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town @ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo After addressing everyone getting a tryhard/bossy vibe from me, do you still find me suspicious? Does my defense that this is normal from me change your opinion at all? I agree with the town reads part, that is why I don't like to give them this early but since I was asked for opinions on more than just milo i did give a few. Do you still find scott and myself to be most suspicious or has that changed? | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
##vote VisceraEyes Curious what others think about him tunneling me and milo As for milo's "scum slip" if you read the thread it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away. I don't understand VE's logic here at all. For a veteran player you're playing pretty dumb imo | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: Actually the charges levels against me are meh, I've taken plenty of stances mostly town reads.... You call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha. Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30. Well I think the main issue I and others have with this is that generally speaking, and especially day1, scum reads are way more helpful than town reads. And from what I recall you haven't really called anyone out as being suspicious to you or of giving you a scum read. And on a go through of your filter it is quite void of content in my opinion. That is to say you dont even really give town reads, all you said was milo is on the high end of null and that I am on the low end of null (assuming you mean milo is slightly town and Im slightly scum to you). Point is that while you have asked some questions and pushed some people for reads, you haven't stuck your neck out on anything at all. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:46 Kickstart wrote: After addressing everyone getting a tryhard/bossy vibe from me, do you still find me suspicious? Does my defense that this is normal from me change your opinion at all? I agree with the town reads part, that is why I don't like to give them this early but since I was asked for opinions on more than just milo i did give a few. Do you still find scott and myself to be most suspicious or has that changed? Yes it changes it a lot, I don't find you any more suspicious than most others at this point. I figure maybe wanting to direct things is a personality trait or something I'm still suspicious of scott though, because he apparently read about half of what we've posted today and yet only came up with a very "safe" (in the sense that it makes sense to call the most active player town) read | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:49 Chocolate wrote: I'd appreciate some reads from Onegu as well. ##vote VisceraEyes Curious what others think about him tunneling me and milo As for milo's "scum slip" if you read the thread it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away. I don't understand VE's logic here at all. For a veteran player you're playing pretty dumb imo I find the VE vote really weird, I and I'm pretty sure a few others have expressed a slight town read on him, or find that he has at least been beneficial in that he has spurred discussion and been open and forthright with his thoughts. I know there is a tendency to scum read people who are scum reading you, but aside from that what about VEs posting has been suspicious to you? Because I find his points about both you and milo to be valid. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: Actually the charges levels against me are meh, I've taken plenty of stances mostly town reads.... You call it middle of the road becauseee....idk haha. Anyway yeah I'll town read more people later figure out who I want to lynch in... 18 hours probably maybe 30. The bolded line is exactly WHY your being called out... I thought I addressed everything you bring up here, On June 03 2015 09:41 Tictock wrote: By "middle of the road" I mean your not taking any stances. Your giving townreads and saying people aren't as scummy as they look. Just feels like your holding back, showing that your here/active, but not really doing much scum hunting. I don't think anyone is expecting you to point out the scum team before we've even heard from the full list of players, but I get an odd feeling off your approach to the game thus far. So I don't get why you would make that post, except for the excuse to be afk for 30 hours! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Town hinting if you are good at it can be just as helpful as scum hinting. So you don't like it that's to bad that's how I play early and it nets me finding scum through poe or at least lets me find the right filters to look through. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE! | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Most serious cases are presented and pushed at that point when more information is I'm thread generally. If you disagree with how I approach early game that's fine but I generally don't put weakass scum reads in the thread lol | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:54 Damdred wrote: Except I called Milo town just a few posts ago. Town hinting if you are good at it can be just as helpful as scum hinting. So you don't like it that's to bad that's how I play early and it nets me finding scum through poe or at least lets me find the right filters to look through. I don't want to harp on this much as I don't find it helpful. If you prefer to give town reads over scum reads that is fine, but either way, you haven't given strong reads in any direction at this point. That said, is milo still slight town and I still slight scum to you? Are there any other reads you can give besides us two at this point? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote: Ummmm idk if you know this or not but most wagons up to hour 12 in the cycle (12 hours left before end of day) generally don't get lynched. Most serious cases are presented and pushed at that point when more information is I'm thread generally. If you disagree with how I approach early game that's fine but I generally don't put weakass scum reads in the thread lol Except you did, you said I was slightly scummy =]. But I already asked for more reads from you, if you don't want to give anything at this point in time that is your prerogative. I just hope you will present a "serious case" as you call it if you don't wish to give reads now. Again though, anyone who takes a look at your filter will agree with me I think, in that you aren't taking strong stances. Maybe someone else can weigh in on if that is normal for you, as I would have no way of knowing. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Who knows I'll figure out who I think is s um when I'm on a comp. Scotts up ij scum, you are slightly above scum undecided. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 11:02 Damdred wrote: Don't discount my ultimate ritoky read now. Who knows I'll figure out who I think is s um when I'm on a comp. Scotts up ij scum, you are slightly above scum undecided. Ah I take it you are posting from a phone or something  , then everything makes sense so far ^^. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote: Ummmm idk if you know this or not but most wagons up to hour 12 in the cycle (12 hours left before end of day) generally don't get lynched. Most serious cases are presented and pushed at that point when more information is I'm thread generally. If you disagree with how I approach early game that's fine but I generally don't put weakass scum reads in the thread lol I realize that, and I know some people just hate putting much effort into D1. I disagree with this approach as I think trying to generate content by pushing people tends to give more info to look at in the following days. However I've thus far found your approach, and more importantly how you've responded to my pressure on you fairly scummy. I'll be expecting decent reads from you when we get close to EoD if you want to sway my opinion. I'm not sold on meta reads being solid evidence to go off of, but can anyone tell me if this is typical of Damdred's town play? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On June 03 2015 11:04 Tictock wrote: I realize that, and I know some people just hate putting much effort into D1. I disagree with this approach as I think trying to generate content by pushing people tends to give more info to look at in the following days. However I've thus far found your approach, and more importantly how you've responded to my pressure on you fairly scummy. I'll be expecting decent reads from you when we get close to EoD if you want to sway my opinion. I'm not sold on meta reads being solid evidence to go off of, but can anyone tell me if this is typical of Damdred's town play? Call me the sniper bro. But yeah I think he is on a phone atm, but we should hold him to presenting strong views before the end of the day as you said. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 03 2015 10:56 Kickstart wrote: Also I don't want to speak for VE, but milo saying you afk was weird. At the time I didnt point it out because he did but since then I did say a bit about it. For one we can't be sure you are afk because you said you were going to go through stuff (but then went to eat dinner, which is fine, you just stated you were doing otherwise as the reason for your inactivity at the time). What I found most odd was the "he cant defend himself", because to me that makes no sense at all, even if you were afk, its forum mafia, you just come back and read it and respond :/. But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE! "it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away" it doesn't make sense to me either. But to be fair I think he was giving me too much shit for posting and going away for a bit and that being scummy. I think he is scum because: He hasn't changed positions on anyone His only interactions of substance have been with me and milo I think he is taking a misinterpretation of what someone else said too far as a "scum-slip" His posts have a dismissive tone Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you. On June 03 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours? In the future, just don't bring up your teammates ESPECIALLY if someone is drawing attention to them. Trust THEM to dig themselves out. Otherwise you end up digging BOTH of you a grave. Which really bothers me I see no reason to tunnel someone so hard out of the blue I don't think he's scum because: He's posting a lot While I get a scum feeling from dogging someone so early, it's something that would at the same time be dumb to do as a mafia player milo's post does look like a slip | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Regardless I'd like to see more reads from VE because ultimately that will determine how I feel about him | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
(call them mafia back) | ||
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