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Ok let's suppose there is an SK, what reason would there be not to kill some people at night? Why wait?
And now let's suppose SL is the SK, how is his shifty behavior good for him as SK, as supposed to just play the safest town game and shoot everybody one after each other?
Tictock is your reasoning that if he establishes himself too hard as town, mafia will just kill him? Wouldn't it better then just to scumhunt hard elimating this sort of threat, instead of playing "what am I?"
My gut feeling is there is no SK.. I have yet to understand the benefit of stalling kills earlier on when it's the best time for you not to be found out.
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Inb4 some accuses me for being SK for trying to get the discussion away from the possibility of there being a SK... *rolleyes*
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@ plots
SK waiting to kill is a valid option. Remember they don't want to kill town like scum does, they want the game to go as long as possible while they stay alive. They win with either side.
So if someone is acting very close to the line of town/scum doesn't that match with SK goals?
Not sure what you mean here
On May 26 2015 21:07 plotspot wrote:
Tictock is your reasoning that if he establishes himself too hard as town, mafia will just kill him? Wouldn't it better then just to scumhunt hard elimating this sort of threat, instead of playing "what am I?".
Also yes Dis is right, I'm out on a limb here. I'm running with it because it makes a lot of sense for what I'm seeing in this game.
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The problem with SK is that it doesn't change anything for town, if there was an SK. You will have to kill them all anyway. So an SK is actually never afraid of revealing himself with a NK.
If he makes the NK, ok town knows, but it doesn't change anything. If he doesn't kill, town will still speculate, and it doesn't change their perspective at all. An SK or one more mafia, town doesn't care.
SK is only afraid of mafia. In theory, an SK therefore should try to scumhunt hard, but the problem is that it establishes himself as town, and he might get killed.
So an SK plays like SL? Never really getting lynched as well as never really establising himself to look town? While he secretly figures out scum and shoots them at night? But wouldn't that provide even more of a reason to do some killing at night? Like if he hits town: "good no night wasted", if he its mafia:"wow I'm good (lucky)".
Yeah I know, I kinda overrule and overlap a bit my previous post. But this is more reasoning from me why we don't have SK.
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On May 26 2015 21:07 disformation wrote:
Inb4 some accuses me for being SK for trying to get the discussion away from the possibility of there being a SK... *rolleyes*
No... at that point I agree with you. Speculating about SK atm leads us nowhere. Atm I also live in a world without SK and I think we should let this discussion rest for now, till there are clear evidents about one.
We just need to keep in mind, that there is a possibility of one being in the game and either having his shot blocked or holding his shot in order to derail the thread into a needless discussion about potential scenarios in which there is a sk.
For now I would work on the basis of no SK in the setup since everything else is speculation and there are better things to talk about than setup.
Since sl and bunnies aren't around:
Why do you think rels was killed, disfo?
and @batsnacks:
What do you make of my case against sl? He hase a lot of contradictions and other crap in his filter, so wouldn't it be ok, to not give him another day?
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@Tictock
read my latest thought about it, maybe it clears out your part quoting about me. If not, ask again. I will detail it out.
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THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
THERE IS NO SK
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Im here but there is no sk... If the sk held his shot last night hes dumb as hell and its certainly not me
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Ok last post about SK kus yes we are getting distracted. So let me just make sure everyone remembers how SK works this game.
This is from the SK role PM.
You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring.
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Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies[/b]
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm
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##unvote ##vote 21ninjabunnies
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So sl... any reaction to my case on you?
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So yeah that's interesting. What you do if there is one SK and one Mafia left on Night X? Or can this not happen?
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On May 26 2015 21:34 Tictock wrote:Ok last post about SK kus yes we are getting distracted. So let me just make sure everyone remembers how SK works this game. This is from the SK role PM. Show nested quote +You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring.
let me explain how to play sk.
If towns already killed 1 mafia you dont fucking hold your shot. Mafias losing so you help them out by killing a obv town.
As a sk your goal is to kill everyone so holding your shot is always bad. This acualy eliminates experienced players from being the sk if there is one.
If there is an sk its going to be one of the new players. Those are also the people spamming that theirs an sk that could be tmi.
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On May 26 2015 21:39 Barakos wrote:
So sl... any reaction to my case on you?
not rly its garbage. Ill figure out if your bad or scum after bunnie flips
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"Other things I don't like about his spammy, mostly oneliner-filter:
He trys to paint himself in a towny light with the most absurd reasons, like the votecount for example.
He puts himself in the spot of a town hero by saying it was his vote and him persuading batsnacks to vote scott that finally swung the vote to lynch scott and not disformation, and when he is confronted with a reasonable arguement, that invalidates this arguement (my post that those votes may very well have been preplanned), his reaction is "lol you know, what mafia says in their qt? you are mafia!"
Why are you putting scum on me for that its true? Like you cant even this fact wtf
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Bats did are interaction not make you go screw it and vote scott right after me? Because thats how I saw it
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On May 26 2015 20:54 boxerfred wrote:
Well reading tics and bats last posts I come to the conclusion that we simply hang bunnies, vig kill SL and if no vig kill happens, SL is the SK? I feel like I'm missing something.
No im just town. Like very obvious town. Feel free to reread any of my past town games
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I dont claim vt as sk this early either. Thats like suicidely bad play.
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On May 26 2015 21:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 21:34 Tictock wrote:Ok last post about SK kus yes we are getting distracted. So let me just make sure everyone remembers how SK works this game. This is from the SK role PM. You can kill one person every night, but you don't have to.
You win when you are the last player alive or nothing can prevent this from occurring. let me explain how to play sk. If towns already killed 1 mafia you dont fucking hold your shot. Mafias losing so you help them out by killing a obv town. As a sk your goal is to kill everyone so holding your shot is always bad. This acualy eliminates experienced players from being the sk if there is one. If there is an sk its going to be one of the new players. Those are also the people spamming that theirs an sk that could be tmi.
Your right, I was mixing up with another 3rd party role I'd read where they won with either side.
This is probably the first time you've ever bothered to try and explain something to me as well.
Clearly I'm off in crazy town. I'll just excuse myself.
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