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I'm ignoring everyone who is voting on me and returning to this.
I made a post yesterday regarding BM's vote on me. It was random, he popped into the thread,, voted and left.
Now I pointed this out, even questioned BM on it,, and 12 hours later....nada.
Now why the fuck aren't we focusing on this?
Many people were reading BM scummy, but as soon as a bw on me gets traction, BM gets ignored and scathes by.
Now I want to know how the hell BM goes from this- me being null
On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:
2) Tictock - scumlean
4) plotspot - townlean
5) boxerfred - null slight town
6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck
7) Barakos - who? i dont remember anything from this guy
8) Sulfurus - VI, townlean
Open slots （マフィアの経験がある程度の能力 / the ability of having experience in mafia）
9) 27ninjabunnies - null
10) Bill Murray - town
11) Breshke - townlean
12) sicklucker - scumlean
13) batsnacks - townlean
To this
On May 26 2015 08:06 Bill Murray wrote:
##vote: 27ninjabunnies
WITH NO FUCKING READS AT ALL BETWEEN.
Now, let's talk about other things that BM has done that is scummy:
BM has lurked consistantly through the game- a reason many of you are actually going on me for.
His first two pages of his filter literally lack anything. Filler posts about UK flags, and trol votes on me and SL
The fact that he say he doesn't mind being shot is more indicative of a mafia trying to seem townie, but being lazy.
Calls sickluker scum, but never pushes anything
THIS IS MAFIA.
It's fucking obvious.
So let me start a counter wagon for you donks...
##Vote: Bill Murray
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Bunnies talk about his big post. That's the one that got people off his back.
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On May 26 2015 20:47 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 20:36 disformation wrote:
Currently at work. So semi-available.
@Barakos:
Will, look at that, but it wasn't intended. xD
@batsnacks:
I'm agreeing to your last two posts. But I want to stress that I want 27ninjabunnies to be super compelling at this point.
So... in case we don't lynch sicklucker or 27ninjabunnies, who would your top scum reads be? Briefly skimmed your filter, but I couldn't find that. I gather that you are not a fan of Sulfurus? I could see any of 27nb, bm, sulfur, Barakos, or even me being the lynch today. SL earned another day imo. Tiktok, BF, plot, disfo are all safe for now I think, unless I missed something huge. It sort of depends on what, if anything, bunnies does.
You forgot about me 
On May 26 2015 23:13 batsnacks wrote:
Bunnies talk about his big post. That's the one that got people off his back.
I may have to go to bed soon but ill try stick around for this if it is happening.
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On May 24 2015 17:24 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 14:10 Breshke wrote:
Any opinions on stuff BM, i know it can be har to get back into a game after not being around but giving reads would make me more likely to townread you than giving reasons why you are town at this point.
Also i would rather the vigi just shoot people that i think are scum (SL) so pls dont accept death just yet. I only have my initial thoughts from reading the first 10-20 pages. i dont think im going to catch up on this game. i thought you were scum earlier on, but coming back into the game, i fully plan on just playing with a fresh mind, and coasting off the rest of the town, since you guys already lynched scum without mewhy mess up a good thing, you know? It's easier for me to get townreads than scumreads. It's easier for me to meta people I've played with a lot. It's easier to make reads when you are actually reading. I will make reads before I die if I don't get nightkilled, rest assured.Id also like to amend my I scumread you to IGMEOY/FoS because it's more of "you're a good player, I don't know your alignment, so I'm apprehensive you could win the game/beat me" ; I wouldn't vote you at all. You're null, but when good players are null to me, I don't trust them. My read on you was also influenced by the thread, and someone saying something negative about you (as in you were scum) Your tone, actually, though, here, indicates to me that you are more than likely town than scum. Well, you're more than likely town in general statistically, and while I'm not AtS (appealing to statstics) I'm making a language-joke. I feel like your tone in general, being inquisitive in an authoritative manner makes me want to follow you more than push you... and you don't have anything to prove to me at all where I've been relatively inactive. Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:19 Tictock wrote:On May 24 2015 14:06 Bill Murray wrote:wow scott just kinda made me look good/townie just iso'ed him On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town. Sulfurus Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 would mafia be "unsure of an early vote" from other mafia? he is also dismissive of it like he actually wants to push me and is at the same time admitting im town with the "he unvoted tho" so honestly this looks good on me he then goes on to talk about other facets of the game which is typical scum behavior IIoAOn May 23 2015 00:59 scott31337 wrote:I like Rels the most so far, his list post has a lot of good thoughts and questions. Not lynching today. Tictock seems like his town game so far - Not a D1 lynch I don't like BM's post here - On May 22 2015 14:15 Bill Murray wrote:On May 22 2015 13:15 Breshke wrote:On May 22 2015 12:44 Bill Murray wrote:
I wish you'd lunch me breshke what do you mean? Read your post right above where I said that. You literally had a typo 39 seconds before that... It was a joke On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote:
bill murray is lynch bait.
definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched
not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind Completely disagree with you You must be hyper imposing On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote:
Unvote Breshke
##Vote: Bill Murray
I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner.
In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. First off my name isn't Murray you can call me bill or BM. Call me Murray again and I promise you my vote won't leave you. Second , I don't have any "agenda" other than reading this game and trying to help new players. Who do you think you are? You say I'm voting in a scummy manner but provide no reasoning and no case of your own. You then go on to trying to refute my case on plotspot and Breshke. Cute. I isn't realize we had a white knight in our noobs. I'm just glad town will largely ignore you because you have a whopping five posts on this website and ou obviously don't know what you're doing. He's trying to incite Sulfurus here using emotion - Calling him a noob, says he doesn't know what he is doing, etc because he used his "last name"? Sulfurus has not replied to this yet, though. Often this is a mafia trait, and doing it to a "noob" so quickly is pretty bad. Sulf hasn't done much in the game either, and seems tunneled on BM. Batsnacks could go either way, he needs to set up some Battraps(tm) though, that'd be great. BM would be at the top of my lynch list at the moment though - but we have plenty of time  Anyone have any questions for me? Tries to push me more Says im on top of his lynch list obviously (to me/what i know) im not mafia and this should make any of you lean town on me BM I don't even... You got some balls coming back into the thread after more than a day of silence, and try to use scum posts to defend yourself as town... shut up. disprove me. balls =/= scum Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 15:22 Tictock wrote:On May 24 2015 14:46 Sulfurus wrote:
I predict that if cop receives a town check on SL people will accuse him of being GF/SK and lynch him anyway, so cop should not check him.
A vigi shot on him is fine since the only way town doesn't kill him is if he claims a role. This is a fantastic post... i disagree this is a fantastic post. It actually creates a defense of SL... who is SL btw? I wish people would write names out.... but if SL is scum then Sulfurus easily could be scum. Say Sulfurus is actually GF and SL is goon so hes trying to subconsciously divert any check away from SL. Also implying the guy isnt gonna be lynched to the thread trying to get people to back off of him and let a night action clear it up.. im not buying Sulfurus isnt scum OR that this is a fantastic post FoS Sulfurus/Tictock/SL as a possible pairing 2 of those 3 or all 3 mafia/SK i see scum in those 3 at least 1... it could also be tictock wanting to congratulate the line of reasoning to get attention off SL the same way that I thought Sulfurus could be doing it in general. However, to argue with myself on this, tictock seems confident in the way that he is even congratulating anyone in general Say you have a dog, or child, and they start changing their behavior (you influencing it doesnt matter) youre going to congratulate them for fixing it with "good job X" or "that's fantastic" like TicTock did. If you're taking care of someone, it's usually a good sentiment. this has to indicate tictock is likely town here. Sulfurus is someone who has seemed to go for me without really having a reason to. Lack of reasoning usually indicates scum when they push. I'm going to go back to my original analysis of this and say that, if anything, this makes me look into Sulfurus and SL more. Gonna find out who SL is right now. oh i bet it's sicklucker I didn't like SickLucker's earlygame. Putting it into perspective, Sulfurus is actually kind of making a good read here. Sulfurus is someone who is newer and could mistake my scummy play for being scum... scummy=/= scum but he doesnt know that yet he doesnt know that my play builds up and towards endgame i post a shit ton of walls and try to pin scum when i actually need to. if the game starts snowballing in the favor of the team im on its much more fun for me and i can analyze a lot better with information (im not good at creating information, only using it, disecting it, and analyzing it deductively) which leads me to my last point sicklucker is scum
I bolded some things I don't like in this post.
First off, big post does not mean town. Means you can just write a bunch of shit.
Secondly, he admittedly says he's just going to scathe by because we lynched a mafia without him. How is that anyway helpfulto the town?
"Murray" (for emphasis how dumb it is) was super defensive towards Sulfurus for calling him Murray, said he was helping town and new players, but really hasn't done anything of the sort.
He claims SL and Sulfurus could be partners- but again, does nothing to push either read throughout the entire game..
I've played only 1 game with BM, which he shitted all over town and got me mislynched day 1. BM was super agressive day 1 against me in a game, yet he claims his play builds towards endgame. taking what I know from a previous game, this didn't happen at all. He was an active prescence throughout.
This post doesn't make him town, in fact quite the opposite.
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Oh and open quotes to see what else I have bolded.
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Now that I've posted that, going to go work out. See yall in an hour or so.
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Alright let's see where this goes.
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
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@ bats, could you answer regarding my question about the sl case?
For example the part about him hunting roles... you tell boxerfred, that rolespeculations are bad and help mafia, yet you seem to ignore it, when sl does it.
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On May 26 2015 23:40 Barakos wrote:
@ bats, could you answer regarding my question about the sl case?
For example the part about him hunting roles... you tell boxerfred, that rolespeculations are bad and help mafia, yet you seem to ignore it, when sl does it.
If SL is mafia it is possible he did the green check to bait out a cop claim from an over eager newbie but I think it's more likely he was just trying desperately to get votes off him in any way possible (intimidation in this case). Same with trying to guess masons. Town SL tends to do nonsense mechanics related stuff too.
I was going to post about it but I decided not to because he actually did give a read on barakos after I asked him, and I do think he's town and didnt want to help lynching him.
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On May 25 2015 21:00 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 20:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 25 2015 19:55 batsnacks wrote:
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him. idk why do you think I fake checked him of all people. SO I didnt have to read his filter untill the next day. Procrastination is my game Well you said you had a scum lean on him and I do too so I was curious.
You mean this wonderfull read?
After which he doesn't answer anymore?
Or the other time, where you asked him about me and he answers "don't care, gotta not get lynched"?
Because other than that i don't find any reads in sls filter that he gave in response to you asking.
The other stuff he writes about me is him trying to make up, why I could be scum and voting me, only to unvote me, after I made my case vs him.
Unless I miss something (point out please) he never gave you any kind of read about me.
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We have talked about you plenty. If your not a lynch today I dont really care about you
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On May 26 2015 23:58 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 21:00 batsnacks wrote:On May 25 2015 20:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 25 2015 19:55 batsnacks wrote:
SL what do you think of baraka? Maybe something other than that you green checked him. idk why do you think I fake checked him of all people. SO I didnt have to read his filter untill the next day. Procrastination is my game Well you said you had a scum lean on him and I do too so I was curious. You mean this wonderfull read? After which he doesn't answer anymore? Or the other time, where you asked him about me and he answers "don't care, gotta not get lynched"? Because other than that i don't find any reads in sls filter that he gave in response to you asking. The other stuff he writes about me is him trying to make up, why I could be scum and voting me, only to unvote me, after I made my case vs him. Unless I miss something (point out please) he never gave you any kind of read about me.
He made several posts about you I think he even voted you at one point after I asked a bunch of times. His filter is too chaotic to find quotes on my phone so you'll have to just take my word for it. I wouldn't just make this up.
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Ya i cant remember either lol
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On May 26 2015 22:30 Barakos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:14 disformation wrote:On May 26 2015 21:25 Barakos wrote:
Since sl and bunnies aren't around:
Why do you think rels was killed, disfo? Well, Rels was super obv. town and as thus was pretty much universally read as town. He was also quite active in trying to solve the game. So if he would have done a solid push on a mafia, a lot of people would have found that credible. So: 1) Hard to gain information from the kill, since he was "obvious" town. 2) Potentially dangerous for mafia. = good target for mafia. Yeah, i agree with you on this... so what do you make out of this post? (nitpicking sl a bit here...) that's also one of the posts I found out of place, when I reread, since killing rels made totally sense out of my point of view. Is this SL trying to diminish rels' legacy by saying the kill was bad. Also rels' main lynch-candidates were sl, bm and plotspot (plotspot didn't make his "would lynch" list after the first analysing-post but returned shortly before EoN1)... he stuck to them pretty much all game long. Given this and the fact that rels would have many followers, had he tried to lynch someone from this list, I think there is a good chance mafia tried to shut him up. So - wouldn't it be good, to keep the lynches in those 3 (sl, bm, plot)?
Well...
On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin
That was shortly before EoD1. I don't think this play makes a lot of sense from a mafia perspective. Why mention this if there won't be enough time to get a wagon, especially with that kind of an explanation. Or is he trying to make us think exactly that? Getting a bit WIFOM here.
Looking at BM now... was a bit suspicious of him for:
On May 26 2015 09:24 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 09:19 Bill Murray wrote:
6) disformation - fairly strong town read 9/10 would fuck That is quite a strong statement. 
And he looks hella lurky indeed. He basically just popped in D2, when I was starting to miss him...
Let me think about that for a bit.
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On May 27 2015 00:04 sicklucker wrote:
We have talked about you plenty. If your not a lynch today I dont really care about you
that's total bs... batsnacks asked you about me in 3 posts to which you only really answered one time and your anser was "got no read, that's why i fake-greenchecked him".
Which he is content with, as it seems... Becaus that's all you two talked about me with each other...
The other times i appear in batsnacks' filter is when we talk to each other and in your filter i appear, when you attacked me for various (sometimes more, sometimes less) fabricated reasons and voted / unvoted me...
So him saying you gave him a satisfying read on me and you coming in defending him now looks like total shit.
In case you flip red, there is a high chance of him flipping red, too. IMHO.
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On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote:
The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. you dont say? ty for that qt info
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Oh ya barakos your scum. I remember now
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I'll be around for 15 more minutes, then I'll be out for some hours. I think I'll be there in time for EoD. I want to see more pressure on Bill Murray, now that disinformation calls him lurky. I'm willing to give batsnacks a clean town lean by now, I'm unsure about SL by now and I don't see 27nb responding too well. Her points raised on BM are not too bad though.
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
I'll be soon enough here to unvote BM if he responds in a good way. I'd like to see a bit more pressure und Sulfuras.
If you guys decide to pressure me in the meantime, be sure that I'll check the thread before EoD, roughly one hour before. Seeya then.
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i mean... there is no readable interaction between the two of you concerning any read about me.
And even if there was... that is long after the rolehunting of sicklucker.
So even if there was a read about me sl gave bats, it isn't a valid reason for not calling sl out on rolehunting, since this would have happened a lot later, so it couldn't have been a reason for not calling sl out as batsnacks claimed.
that post you quoted was 4 hours after you asked, when you weren't even in the thread anymore...
no way this could have been a reason for you not calling him out on his rolehunting.
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Scum or not I'm much more interested in bunnies vs BM right now.
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