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On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation.
Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting.
And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that.
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hahahahaha.
I like WoS sometimes.
Terrible like always though.
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On April 21 2015 02:12 Vivax wrote:
You didn't refute when I brought up the stuff you said would make you lynch yourself, instead you went into the offensive and called me mafia.
On April 21 2015 01:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 01:27 Vivax wrote:On April 21 2015 01:22 Holyflare wrote:
the only time vivax played this game was when absolutely nobody else played it (d1) and now that everyone has started posting again he has no interest in this game at all and wants to afk lynch koshi cz he doesn't believe koshi's reasons, he then throws shit in every direction possible for later in the game to push more lynches, he has absolutely no interactions anymore and is probably mafia too No you piece of crap, I have to study for physio and while you post your little schoolboy memories I have to deal with these monsters: ![[image loading]](http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/anaesthesia/resources/lectures/acidbase_mjb/images/Fig1Sec422.jpg) Afking is literally the only point you're bringing ahead cause you aim for the easy vulnerabilities to get people lynched. LS cause he did something he did as scum and you didn't even know if he really believed it. Me cause you try to paint the slightest amount of absence as scummy knowing that activity is one of my great town tells. Koshi cause??? GB cause he's 10000% mafia or something along these lines when I feel it's just a sentiment. All your scumreads this game formed on weak egocentric logic that just shoves them around hoping to stick. My LS case was absolutely not based on something he did as scum. I had an entire wall of text that GB replied 10/10 would lynch to. It was based on every single action he did THIS GAME. It had nothing to do with meta. It was based on the fact that he was only using incorrect meta to DEFEND people and never to attack. THis was after he said that he wouldn't use meta this game unless it was 100% correct. Regardless of if he went back to his own ways LS uses meta on people to determine whether they are scum normally and he did not do that at all. The meta case came after his replies to my original case and re-confirmed my suspicions on him. Even then I tried to talk to him AND GET PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT THE CASE and he rage quit the thread and absolutely everyone decided to do nothing. You shit on the case because "oh it's a feeling that he's honest" which is the crappest reason I've ever heard, you decided to negate an entire lynch for no reason and then you afk'd at the deadline while LS was getting lynched for no reason and didn't give a shit that I was pushing your honest town read LS. Wave did the same thing but I've heard his reason and he elaborated on it which I kind of liked. You're saying I'm pushing weak easy mislynches but then who are these weak easy mislynches? Koshi? YOU'RE PUSHING THE SAME FUCKING THING MORON. Holy fuck. You're literally calling me mafia for going after easy lynches while your d1 lynch was on Palmar who was town and claimed a role and was doing absolutely nothing. You now go after Koshi who is messing about and not doing anything. You're going to accuse ME of going after easy lynches with cases but I'm going after LS/GB/Koshi/Loafery while you just sit back, whine, call me mafia with GB and loafery and vote for koshi. You're doing nothing and accusing me of something I'm not even guilty of while you yourself are incredibly guilty for it. You are the definite mafia in this game.
I quite clearly refuted what you said. I don't "needlessly discredit people who don't vote for me". I'm quite clearly pointing out scummy motivation behind people's actions, which is you know, how you play the game of mafia after all.
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On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that.
what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post.
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My scumteam could be described as "AA Vast Fool"
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GLowingbear[
This one was incredibly difficult. I looked back and my original reasons for suspecting him and my continued reasons to do so and actually realized they were a little bit faulty for the most part. There were a lot of specific EoD events to look at for each person as well and GB was no exception. The thing about GB's EoD was that he jumped on HF's LS case after not talking about LS at all, 'licking his boots,' while at the same time thrrowing around the idea of jumping off onto Loafery/Koshi and suggesting to HF that he would lynch any of those/whoever HF wants to lynch. Now on its own that doesn't look amazing because he truly appears as though he is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility for the mislynch. This is further proven by GB's posts such as this one
On April 18 2015 08:36 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
i kind of want to kill glowingbear because he obviously just gives no shits at all and his train of thought on ls makes no sense whatsoever
10/10 case on ls would lynch
would lynch loafery more though just waiting for an excuse not to vote ls
votes loafery
afk's long time with no word as to why till he gets back
still afk's
vote's ls
afk's again and doesn't care about flip
+ he hasn't scum read me yet, legitimate heuristic Then you're confirmed Mafia because it will be the second townie you will push Or are you mad because when I decide to sheep you, you screw up?
where he blames the lynch on HF (even though I do myself) right after professing how much of a god HF was for all of it. Not great. The thing is though, on further analysis there are two things scum is trying to do here: get a mislynch, and not look like shit. GB on the surface seems like might be concerned with those things but then looking at the targets he pushes, why would he be attempting to try and push/suggest people move OFF of LightningStrike, and easy town lynch? Not a great scumplay since it contradicts the first goal and doesn't do an amazing job of the second either. Of course if all three targets suggested are town its one thing but I just don't see scum pulling that. Way too easy to get caught for it. Of course time will tell base don flips but this, and GB's play in D2 clears him a little bit. The GB vs SL war looks suspiciously like town vs town, especially when you consider that NOBODY ELSE CARED. His posting against SL was pretty well thought out and his points solid, even if I may not necessarily agree with some of them.
Verdict: would not lynch
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No this is better. My scumteam is: "A Tarantulae Very Fishy Too Yo"
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On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post.
To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town.
Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him.
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Can somebody answer me why mafia would do dumb shit in this game when there are 4 people not playing?
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I am just saying that all active people are calling each other scum and then there are 4 people (actually 3 because I am town) who are not doing anything.
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Vivax
Monster townread on him for his D1 play, mostly because I shared his views completely around the LS lynch, and agreed with his posting on HF. Biggest problems I have with him currently are not doing shit all until now D2 (yes apparently he has been busy but even when he was around didn't seem to contribute a great deal) and the parking of his vote on Palmar at EoD. The vote on Palmar in and of itself isn't particularly awful because I can 100% see Vivax believing everything he wrote about Palmar. Specifically Palmar. The problem was the fact that he pushes Koshi for most of the end of the day, randomly wants to shenanny onto Palmar and then disappears. I see both town and scum Vivax motivations for this unfortunately so it's really hard to pinpoint which is more likely based on that. Later on during N1 he reaches the conclusion about GB I am only reaching now so points to him probably for that, and calls HF/Koshi scummy/bussing which also is a pretty decent post. His attack on HF currently isn't something I mind to be honest, but I'm not 100% sure I agree with his conclusions. Yet. In summary, more of what Vivax has done has come from a pretty cleanly town place then a murky scum one and has been pretty transparent with his pushing and not altogether tunnelly.
Verdict: would not lynch
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I wonder who knows how people act as town when they know they are town.
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On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote:
Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him.
Before I get to you HF, let me be very clear.
Most of your case on LS was absolutely meta and I'[ve showed that before. Let's disregard the massive meta post part 2 entirely and go for the first one:
On April 18 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:LightningStrike^ Read his filter First and foremost the entirety of his first page contains not only basic one liners, which is pretty uncharacteristic for LightningStrike, but also a distinct lack of meta (why would he be trying to change this I do not know but regardless of what he's trying to change his filter is contentless).It is defensive over the cards against humanity/teamspeak thing which fair enough might be the same of any alignment but then it contains attempts to try and scum hunt which just don't look like any kind of town scum hunting that I can think of, examples being: + Show Spoiler [ scummy gb pushing] +On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? On April 17 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote:On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? Nope, dear LS, I claimed having a qt with him There is no masons in this game therefore you must be Mafia for having a qt with him! ##Vote: GlowingBear On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote:
OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY
It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? After the last quote GB is clearly joking and makes it clear with the following quote below, however, in an attempt to actually try and continue his "fitting in" he continues to push this point AS SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler [continuing to push this non-point] +On April 17 2015 05:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 05:32 GlowingBear wrote:On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote:On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote:
OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY
It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? *hint* it strikes when a storm happens Not me I not Mafia and you know that. On April 17 2015 09:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote:On April 17 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:On April 17 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote: Hey Palmar thoughts about the game so far? I haven't read it. Can I just have the same thoughts as you? Ya because GB claimed to have a QT with Artanis and there is no masons in this game therefore they both scum together :O On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote:You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out  Then SL tells ls that GB was joking and ls says "oh I can't read sarcasm" which was the most disingenuous (maybe second most to wave pushing this gb qt shit) in the game. Following up from these quotes of silly trying to fit in the other classic scum tell is his defense of all these players that constantly keeps happening (just saw he posted a list with lots of town reads somehow too): + Show Spoiler [sl defence] +On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote:On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote:
Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die!
artanis[xp]
This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote:
I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum. On April 17 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Oats it's the weekend he can't be assed to play on the weekend normally :O On April 17 2015 12:06 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
So what's his excuse for yesterday then?
And why are you making excuses for him anyway? He prob forgot this game was going on lol. Also I <3 Palmar. On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. saying un cc'd blue is equally silly especially as people outline why not to trust it and he says he wants to use meta only when "100% right" but uses it all the time to defend all of these people
Now obviously here there is content aside from meta, which is fine, but don't delude yourself. Your case was not amazing, it was not super solid, and most importantly, it WAS heavily based on meta---and I argue the fact that made people want to vote LS in the first place (which you've agreed even convinced yourself) was the meta portion.
Now I will continue.
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dude one liners is classic mafia it has nothing to do with meta, the last red highlighted thing just isn't meta at all either? It says HE is using meta to DEFEND people and nothing else?
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Wait fuck this shit
##UNvOTE
##VOTE: OATS
Get on it boys.
He's like not doing anything. Wants a wave lynch. He can die.
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On April 21 2015 02:33 Koshi wrote:
oh this one is fun as well: "Anal Savory Fee Toy"
vayne/loafery/oats
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I suspect HF calling Koshi a policy lynch is simply a strat. He doesn't have to defend him and at the same time can always park his vote on him without ever having pushed on him for reasons.
Yet he puts it as if he's exploring the game when he literally mentions zero reasons for Koshi being town or mafia. He just adds him to his list of lynchables without contributing anything about him and only acting angry about his play. Well when I act angry I lynch people and even more I scrutinize them and he isn't doing any of that.
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