Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 29 2015 10:04 Koshi wrote:

Yup. I totally agree.

On March 29 2015 10:16 justanothertownie wrote:

No. the point is that he evidently did show up without delivering anything of worth.

On March 29 2015 10:18 Snarfs wrote:

Okay let me double check that.

On March 29 2015 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:




Aren't I doing exactly what you're calling me out for with this post?

On March 29 2015 10:27 justanothertownie wrote:

17 hours later during which one would expect town Hapa to make an impact. He returned a few times later and still did nothing at all.

On March 29 2015 10:31 kitaman27 wrote:


Yeah I found it scummy at that point in comparison to how strong he starts other town games I've seen him and he hasn't exactly changed my mind yet.

On March 29 2015 10:34 justanothertownie wrote:

Sure but when he just appears to post something irrelevant and leaves again that doesn't really look like it. You have to keep in mind that Hapa is really good at pushing a thread forward/leading a town while he hates playing as scum.

On March 29 2015 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
hapa was playing voice mafia all night

/stirdatpot

On March 29 2015 10:25 sicklucker wrote:


also this is the scummiest post in the game. Like who would trust a chezittwo

On March 29 2015 12:03 LightningStrike wrote:
Snarfs thoughts on me?

On March 31 2015 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Onegu is town.
Lightening strike is town.
Obiwan is town.
Jat is town.
Snarfs is very likely town but he could be faking his pms.
Kita is going to be town or he plays better town than most of the townplayers this game.


VE is extremely smart this game. I would not be surprised if he was nightkilled. I think he is wrong on snarfs so there is some restriction to call him town (I respect vets their scumplay) but he is a townleader this game.

rsoultin I have restrictions about but is probably town.

HF claimed 3p? I wouldn't lynch him anyway. The sicklucker read was shit but maybe he has another wincon. Like killing 3p. Who the fuck knows. I don't think he is playing for mafia.

VA seems town. I do need to read his Damdred read. He needs to be respected for his reads when he plays, and he is playing. So I will reread Damdred to see if there is something in it.

On March 31 2015 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually whoa I just realized something that I probably should have realized before when I noticed yamato's early game hasn't fit his usual. Hell he hasn't had one period of good activity yet this game.

Most importantly though, I acted (at least in my mind) fairly similarly to this game post-D1 in my last game with him where he staunchly defended me against all odds while I was afk and/or not giving a shit.

He hasn't noticed my behaviour or come to close to it where even HF who is claimed 3P and has no vested interest in helping me out besides being my bud was amiable on PMs.


It's been a while since I've seen a yamato scum but this could be it.

On March 31 2015 03:33 rsoultin wrote:
come at me bitches!

unprotected cleric ripe for the picking

-bounces around-

and if anyone can tell me why they're so certain kita is town i'd loooooove to hear it

On March 31 2015 04:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Snarfs I just dived your filter. I have never played with you so I am disregarding meta. You've hardly done jack all this game. I see a few town reads. Do you have any scumreads?

Have your thoughts on Damdred changed any based on what you said on him before? Unless I misunderstood he appeared to be your strongest scumread.

On March 30 2015 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
My issue with snarfs is the really "pro-town" intro post with a complete lack of followup with regard to actually finding mafia and deciding on a lynch target as a town. Like, his whole thing was "I want a Warrior who will lynch according to the majority decision" but has opted out of discussing who actually IS mafia or who SHOULD be lynched today, all day.

On March 31 2015 04:37 yamato77 wrote:
Snarfs seems okay to me on a quick glance. I tunneled the shit out of him in the Student game to no avail and also read up on his meta. Not really seeming like mafia here.

Although, it isn't true that he doesn't know what kind of player Hapa is. He was traitor in TTABE when Hapa was mafia. Yes, it was a while ago but he shouldn't have forgotten. Just a small point though.

On March 31 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:


Crossfire please read my case instead of doing whatever you think is a good use of your time, you never mention keir in your filter

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=147#2929

On March 30 2015 07:54 Chezitwo wrote:
(VA best lynch)

On March 31 2015 09:55 yamato77 wrote:
Well if VA didn't kill crossfire, who did?

On April 01 2015 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:

Nope. It's not. Since definitely more than just a bus happened last night.

On April 01 2015 09:09 justanothertownie wrote:

I think I don't need to tell you to never use it ever...

On April 01 2015 10:23 ExO_ wrote:


I wasn't sure I did hand it out. I made a mistake, and PMed I wanted to send it to a person who was ineligible. Slam was the person it had to go to if it was going out. So because I didn't specifically say give it to slam I wasn't sure if it went out, or nothing was sent because I didn't say slam.

But the ability I was trying to hand out was call the day vote in 24 hours instead of 48.

On April 01 2015 09:56 justanothertownie wrote:

A little bird told me slam said he had this power. It is really weird.

On April 01 2015 10:47 rsoultin wrote:


no -_- i don't have it

think he's just gonna keep sitting on it and saying he's sending it to people at this rate

On April 01 2015 10:51 rsoultin wrote:


i take no issue with that?

his wincon is to kill two of jat, hf and me, and i know he tried to do me in night 1

thing is i'm pretty sure he's not mafia so it's more retribution-like than anything -shrugs-

On April 01 2015 10:55 Snarfs wrote:

Considering mafia wincon is probably similar.

On April 01 2015 11:29 Keirathi wrote:

Why didn't you talk to me since I was the person saying Hapa probably wasn't scum?

On April 01 2015 11:33 Keirathi wrote:

Yes, I realize that.

But if you're going to shoot someone on consensus, why not actually talk it through with people on both sides of the argument? It was a lazy shot.

On April 01 2015 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:

Thanks parrotman.

On April 02 2015 01:16 Half the Sky wrote:


You're referring to the student game, right? You realise part of the issue this game is that 2/3s of the game so far has been in PM land, and them posting less or not reading each other could be partially influenced by that, right?

That apples to oranges comparison...

On April 02 2015 01:19 yamato77 wrote:

I believe most of his claim, I just don't believe it comes from town. His explanation for why he appeared as mafia sounds like bullshit. I do believe a mafia role could exist that makes you reveal your alignment on your fake death to avoid a lynch.

On April 02 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote:


an extra lynch is always a good plan xD

On April 02 2015 02:51 LightningStrike wrote:
So we lynch WoS next day phase correct?

On February 24 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote:

let's do eet.

On February 26 2015 06:38 yamato77 wrote:

You better be town you fucker.

On February 26 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:

he's not going to be here

wtf are you doing?

On February 26 2015 08:42 yamato77 wrote:
WAVE NO

COME BACK AND SAVE YOURSELF

On February 26 2015 08:45 yamato77 wrote:
If any of you think I'm town and have realized that I'm a veteran player, TRUST ME.

DON'T LYNCH WAVE

PLZ

On February 24 2015 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Not in a good mood.
Yamato you're town right?
Can we run a train on scum, hopefully after I make an awesome read?

On February 24 2015 13:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
k your turn yammy
who ya got

On February 25 2015 21:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yamato I'd laugh really hard if you get lynched today

On February 26 2015 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
I would vote yamato cause sometimes it forces him to play, but meh. Guy's town.

I want to go back and read prob but I have no time; I hate the fact that he's fallen off everyone's radar after being a huge force early.

##unvote

On February 26 2015 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

Townbros gotta stick up for each other

On February 26 2015 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

I do admit if I was scum I'd be laughing all da way to da bank, and I'm sure it's the same for you

We should try to get a time when we're on together so we can talk and get reads done and shit like we talked about

I'm not happy with my performance thus far

On March 28 2015 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can get on board with this.
yamato is my buddeh.

##vote: yamato77

On March 29 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yamato koshi has been beaten to death but I wouldn't mind knowing youp thoughts and leaving it at that

On March 31 2015 05:32 yamato77 wrote:

Wave, I think you're scum.

On March 31 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote:

I tend to agree.

On April 03 2015 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Fixed:

Snarfs has already done so - it is not a valid discussion topic. You can take him and me off the list.
That leaves yamato, VE and Sep.

On April 03 2015 02:15 yamato77 wrote:
I literally don't care about the outcome of this game any longer

On April 03 2015 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, because you are mafia.

On April 03 2015 08:13 Damdred wrote:
Hobestly it's a weight off my chest to die here and get my win. Because you can't let me off the hook and save me in case I am Scum so you have to lynch me here

On April 03 2015 08:44 Holyflare wrote:
jat is not who you think he is and neither is xfire

On April 03 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote:
Hi Snarfs what's up?

##vote Snarfs

On April 06 2015 13:02 Holyflare wrote:
bats/kita/bh/hts/sepulcher

i'm just going to submit that tonight anyway but i'll give it to you for free now

On April 06 2015 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:

Ignore him. A batsnacks today HF tomorrow plan seems more likely

On April 07 2015 07:42 Half the Sky wrote:
We got four on HF.

On April 07 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
ah, that explains why morty's check was rolename. His job was to look for me and kill me.

On April 08 2015 00:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Basically my opinion is at this point is if for some reason either of Bats/Crossfire are alive at daybreak and somehow the game isn't over by that point, whichever of them are alive should be auto-lynched.

On April 08 2015 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:

Depends. In this game they made the game unwinnable for town (losing in the process) but had they worked WITH town instead then scum would have had a hard time.
If slam works with town we do not lose a lynch, we get rid of VA (probably) etc.
If Holyflare works with town we get rid of BH 100 %
Both would win and be removed from the game so there wouldn't be so many question marks left. Everyone is happy. Except for mafia.

On April 08 2015 09:03 justanothertownie wrote:

Did he know you were a medic? Because he told me that he expected to be shot and had I been a medic I would have saved him. But I only had this shitty warrior bodyguard power.

On April 08 2015 09:03 gonzaw wrote:
Xfire, why did you derail the D4 lynch by openly siding with anti-town 3P, pushing the lynch OFF confirmed scum and ON to a somewhat likely townie?
Well, other than "I thought she was very likely scum and town would instantly lose by not lynching her"

On April 08 2015 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
Kitaman don't even talk to me about flaming. It was lylo and I gave you free mafia and was literally the only player in the game trying to analyse anything only for a bunch of afk tits to say lololol let's lynch hf. I pleaded about 500 times for people to stop and actually talk about my analysis and instead you didn't.

It's also ridiculous for me to claim day 1 when there's a sherlock a watson a lestrade and i have no idea what any of their win cons or powers are.

On April 08 2015 08:51 GreYMisT wrote:
My next game with either be a PYP/PTP (GreYMisT style) or another game that me and a few others have in the works

On April 08 2015 11:34 Onegu wrote:
JAT you told me to trust OwS so he was the only one I shared everything with . Also I tried to play town leader last night I kept everything as close to the vest as I could except with Obi, while getting as much info as I could from everyone else. I started to trust HtS toward the end but couldn't PM directed OwS to bus me and sepulchre.

On April 08 2015 12:07 gonzaw wrote:
I think people may have relied too much on "confirmations" using roles/PMs/etc.

Obi was basically assumed confirmed town because of a town check from someone
BH was basically assumed town the last phases because of some PM thing with Onegu (that I still don't understand)
HTS was basically assumed mafia for a while because of some weird night action stuff with Damdred and kita or whatever.

Just ignore all that shit, specially in a Greymist game. I mean, obviously dwell on that stuff and have all the fun you can get with 5th party House Chezinu and sleeper cell and self-redirecting magic-bus-driver and whatever. But for lynching and figuring out alignments....yeah, leave it out.

On April 08 2015 10:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry guys

I played pretty terribly. Definitely felt pretty lost most of the game and even when I thought I was sure I was wrong LOL. Probably shouldn't have signed up. I didn't have enough time to play to my standards especially with the amount of posts this game. Probably won't play mafia again at least while the spam is this high. It's just not my thing and I don't like playing with that many posts. I also didn't like pms, but I never played with them so it was something different to try.

As for why I did what I did during the last day. I really thought town was in a 4-5-2 situation and that VA was 3rd party and really had to kill bats. I figured town had to take a risk and not lynch bats because if not they would lose due to the amount of KP. I actually thought HtS was mafia and was super sure of that. Obviously, I was wrong. And it was pretty much only hubris that caused me to stick with HtS over Sep who I also agreed was mafia. That was dumb.

Even playing terribly, I still had fun. Thanks for hosting GreY! I know it is difficult work and you do a great job!

Random fact: During day 3 I death framed VA to get a list of the actions performed on him, so we could figure out once and for all whether or not he was scum. I thought I would get the results immediately, but I misunderstood and would only get results if he was targeted by scum which never happened, so it ended up being for naught. GG everybody.

On April 08 2015 12:59 Onegu wrote:
Kita going to observe bats. VA going to shoot kita. BH checks speculre. Snarfs medic save you.Crossfire says he only has passives. Me mask to you lightning rod item on bats forcing VA to shoot bats. Then what you decide to do. I told HtS to do her thing on BH but guessing she is scum so. Speculre hasn't responded. I'm missing someone I think...

Original Message From ObiWanShinobi:
So what is everyone claiming as their night action? Is that finalized?

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On April 08 2015 18:23 marvellosity wrote:

why do you have to be confident? I was a really obvious shot, even without knowing who i was.