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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 13 2015 22:20 GMT
#2561
btw. Ritoky. Makes sure you talk shit out with damdred. If you convince him you convince the thread.
I had a good night of sleep.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 13 2015 22:33 GMT
#2562
Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2)[/blue - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,


here's my analysis on the day 1 vote damdred.

on average when a town is lynched on day 1, 52.4% of the mafia votes on the wagon. over half of the people who voted to lynch DR on day 1 have been flipped and every single one of them has flipped blue or town. there is likely no way that there isn't a mafia on the DR train, if not both. this means that there is guaranteed 1 mafia between koshi, vivax, and obi, with the potential of 2 mafia there.

let us now assume that it is the case where 1 is inside the vote and the other is outside the vote: the unflipped/nonclaimed players outside the vote are ritoky (conf town), yamato, and damdred. damdred literally tried to lynch mafia all game and lynched mafia, so that leaves me with yamato.

so it is either 2 of koshi, vivax, and obi. or 1 of koshi, viviax, obi + yamato. those are the only 2 worlds that exist from the day 1 vote count. if i bring in to account the day 2 vote count, let us see what it adds to spice up my life.

[image loading]

On April 12 2015 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Let me count the votes:


Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77
Damdred (0) -
Eden (0) -
Palmar (0) -
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi,
Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear

[blue] until deadline. Currently GlowingBear is set to be lynched.


dunno if this is the perfect vote count, but what can we know from it; our potential mafia coming into this vote are yamato, koshi, obi, and vivax. no need to color people at this point, just look at those 4 names.

obi lynches mafia, albeit somewhat incidentally it seems. his town cred is low apparently going into this, so maybe he puts a vote on his partner to try and buy some cred going forward. regardless he gets + town points for lynching mafia out of this group.

koshi self votes, w/e.

vivax makes a case on yamato and yamato is the leading candidate for the majority of the day until the wagon disperses for reasons i never bothered to read. this makes a vivax + yamato world less likely.

yamato plants a stray vote on vivax making the world that was formerly less likely more likely, and back to meh...but i still think it is least likely. since on contentious and spread out votes like this (often times an easy way to catch mafia on day 1s of games) a common tactic is to plop a stray vote on your teammate that gets no traction.

essentially day 2 doesn't do much to modify the day 1 vote outside of make obi a little less likely mafia, and kinda eliminate a yamato + vivax team although not really.

if there's a way to 100% clear yamato we can PoE win the game imo. otherwise it is best to think about if we want to live in the world of 2 within koshi, vivax, and obi or if we want to lynch yamato cuz if there is 1 inside of koshi, vivax, and obi then yamato is 100% the partner.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 13 2015 22:36 GMT
#2563
Vivax (1) - DreadReturn
GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar,
Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky,
Damdred (1) - GlowingBear,
DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin,


EBWOP fixed coloring from above that got fucked up
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 13 2015 22:43 GMT
#2564
Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77, GlowingBear, Eden
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi,
Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi

This is what the vote looks like before Eden and GB move onto obi.

Does it change anything?

Also your reads aren't that concrete at all i'm not sure if you actually called anyone scum in there besides hypotheticals
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 13 2015 22:44 GMT
#2565
hmmm i have to go for a bit now, i will be back in a couple hours although with less time than i had this time.

i suggest people look into reasons why koshi, vivax, and obi voted on DR day 1 and why yamato decided to bail. maybe it is because i didn't read day 2 in the slightest, but the day 1 vote and lynch seems way more indicative than day 2 did.

every1 should probably determine a firm stance on yamato's alignment because unless you think he is lock town we should probably lynch him, and then consider the most likely worlds of 2 amongst koshi, vivax, and obi.

that is what i will be considering while i am away and when i come back, i hope the thread does the same.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 13 2015 22:51 GMT
#2566
On April 14 2015 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Koshi (1) - Koshi
Vivax (1) - Yamato77, GlowingBear, Eden
GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi,
Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker
Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky
ObiWanShinobi

This is what the vote looks like before Eden and GB move onto obi.

Does it change anything?

Also your reads aren't that concrete at all i'm not sure if you actually called anyone scum in there besides hypotheticals


bleh, i dunno...why wasn't this anywhere to be found in the thread/voting thread i will consider it when i come back soon.

as of now i am in the world of yamato + 1 rather than 2 among the 3 and think we should probably lynch yamato. i kinda tried to look for reasons as to why the lynch on yamato dispersed and couldn't find a good one. i recognized that this happens to me a lot when i am mafia. there is a lynch that really should go on me and for no good reason i get it to stall out and delay another day. it just seems really similar to what i did in guardians and multiple other games, how the lynch on me just kept magically evaporating and landing on others for unexplained reasons.

for the +1....my gut tells me obi because he seemed to have stumbled into lynching his partner and he is really pushing the low hanging fruit lynch on me. but that isn't informed by a filter dive yet. hopefully i can do that tonight.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 13 2015 22:58 GMT
#2567
my lynch dispersed because i yelled at Viax near the deadline
Writer@WriterYamato
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 13 2015 23:02 GMT
#2568
Oh good yamato is here.

What do you make of everything ritoky is saying here Yamato?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 13 2015 23:13 GMT
#2569
it's more of what I thought made him look townie, overall

specifics are difficult to nail down
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 13 2015 23:15 GMT
#2570
it looks really general, though

he's not necessarily looking at filters/analyzing motivation, he seemingly just posits many different alternatives and picks the "most likely"

idk, it doesn't help me much.
Writer@WriterYamato
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 14 2015 01:14 GMT
#2571
I'm still thinking that rit is scum. Not much concrete reads and not really making any hard calls.

Yamato whenever you can really want to know where your heads at on who is scum
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 14 2015 01:41 GMT
#2572
"Incidentally lynches mafia."

Cool story, bro.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 14 2015 02:52 GMT
#2573
On April 14 2015 10:14 Damdred wrote:
I'm still thinking that rit is scum. Not much concrete reads and not really making any hard calls.

Yamato whenever you can really want to know where your heads at on who is scum


I'm in agreement with the ritoky read: no conclusions in those giant walls. His closest thing to a scumread is me, because I "incidentally lynched my partner" and doesn't even have anything to back it up.

His only other possible lynch is yamato and I don't understand his reasoning behind it. He says he wants to lynch yamato but he doesn't really back it up with anything aside from the fact that he just wants to get him out of the way for whatever reason.
Retired.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 14 2015 03:05 GMT
#2574
I'm okay with lynching ritoky.

I will endeavor to find his partner in the mean time.
Writer@WriterYamato
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 14 2015 03:05 GMT
#2575
w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history.

so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 14 2015 03:08 GMT
#2576
On April 14 2015 12:05 ritoky wrote:
w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history.

so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit.

I'm sorry if you're town but you don't really seem that townie since N1 really.
Writer@WriterYamato
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 14 2015 03:08 GMT
#2577
i made my point on yamato clear: there's a lynch on yamato and for literal 0 reason the lynch evaporates and lands on someone else. it landed on mafia, which is good news, but why the shit was it ever changed in the first place?

i have no motivation to try and solve a game in which i do every town tell, am so utterly town it is painful for myself, and get 100% scum read by every single person in the game for activity reasons and because it is an easy lynch.

literal 0 people are defending me, what you think that means? are you guys seriously this dense?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 14 2015 03:09 GMT
#2578
On April 14 2015 12:08 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 12:05 ritoky wrote:
w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history.

so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit.

I'm sorry if you're town but you don't really seem that townie since N1 really.


i have less that 10 posts since n1
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 14 2015 03:10 GMT
#2579
show me where i am not town in my posts since night 1. show me the reasons. you're going to say something like "it's in your not posting" or "you flipped on x" and the answer to that is irl and not reading, already been covered. moving on.

wait why am i talking to you, you're probably mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 14 2015 03:13 GMT
#2580
On April 14 2015 01:23 yamato77 wrote:
Solving the Game?

Ritoky

Ritoky REALLY doesn't want to lynch GB

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:
to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse.

i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town.

but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted...


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote:
GB is the largest filter palmar. i am talking about your read on GB this game and its similarity to your read on me in DU2


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.

tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?


This post in particular is strange. Why would ritoky feel the need to make a post like this when I'm one of his top town reads? Also, how does he have GB as mafia (in this post) with his first two posts being what they are (a defense of GB)? Strange stuff.

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:53 ritoky wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:52 yamato77 wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.

tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?

Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR?

Is it that you think DR is somehow townie?

If it's at all close I would just vote DR.


I like palmar's read it reminds me a lot of his read on me in DU2. Plus GB has largest filter, and that is like 90-95% town based on stats.

I also made that connection between DR and damdred and I think damdred is pretty town....so....


After this post he apparently sheeps me, for whatever reason, even though he seems quite unsure about himself.

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 12:59 ritoky wrote:
On April 09 2015 12:58 Eden1892 wrote:
On April 09 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote:
ain't stealth voting shit:

On April 09 2015 06:33 ritoky wrote:
never lynch:

[image loading]


follow the angels

one of the angels is on dr??????


that angel is afk and said sheep yamato


And then... he sheeps me some more.

But N1 he has a couple townie-ish posts like this one:

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 03:30 ritoky wrote:
oh look, people call me mafia when i am afk. guess they are bad.

On March 14 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote:
The Grand Manifesto On Why Ritoky is Confirmed Town:

1) Trollzy play - ritoky is incapable of humor and trollzy play as mafia. recently he demonstrated some ability to do it as Serial Killer, but that is very different from mafia.

Examples of ritoky being trollzy -

cell mafia 2: ritoky spams the thread with american flags and propoganda for the first 50 pages. link

titanic return of mspaint: ritoky literally does nothing the entire first and second day but antagonize people and general dickbaggery. link

mafia down under 1: such troll, much wow link

2) The angry tunnel does not exist - The #1 mafia tell ritoky has as has been indicated by many players is that as mafia ritoky gets very angry when things don't go his way and he is prone to tunneling on a player and not interacting with the rest of the game. ritoky is also completely incapable of understanding jokes and flips out when people call him scum. in this game ritoky has pushed literal 0 people, never given a damn, and is content with getting lynched. clear town.

Example of angry ritoky tunnels:

Imperial mafia:
On January 08 2015 06:54 ritoky wrote:
On January 08 2015 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
Jesus christ. If I claim cop, will you lynch him? I'm literally about to fucking claim cop just to get that to happen because it's so painfully obvious to me


so painfully obvious that i am the cop?

oh look, all the people that you wanted to cc me have come and passed. i am the cop; you don't like my play? go fuck yourself and deal with it.

we should start discussing the lynch target for the day.


On January 08 2015 07:09 ritoky wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Oh yeah? Why is my claim trash. Please point to any discrepancies in my claim. Go ahead big boy. Here's your time to shine as 'the real cop"


1) i am the cop

2) you claim to be cop, but you had 0 reaction to someone HARD CLAIMING YOUR ROLE last day phase while being here and actively posting the entire time.

3) you have given no indications of being cop in your entire filter.

4) you sat here calling for others to cc and saying you would make up a cc if no one cc'd.

5) you checked a dead person n1 who was universally town read i believe even by you.

6) lol @ your checks. you call my checks bad and not solving the game, yours are on another level. they also don't mesh with your reads in the slightest. you would have checked into the likes of geript/marv/palmar/jat and such because you were heavily invested in solving those discussions and a check would have gone a long way.

you need to move the fuck on; you're not the cop now drop it.


On January 08 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:25 IAmRobik wrote:
On January 08 2015 07:24 Lazermonkey wrote:
Superbia is not here though. He hasn't posted in like forever. I don't like killing someone like that. If he keeps this up, he will probably get modkilled and what not.

Was I wrong on you? are you fucking mafia bro?
Literally 0% chance superbia and ritoky aren't mafia at this point.


100% chance i am not mafia. i am an uncc'd cop.

get your claim shit out of the thread, you already rescinded because i posted 6 very clear reasons and you folded. you in the qt coaching someone else to cc me? mad at teammates cuz they forced you to fake a cc? tough life.


3) As mafia ritoky always has very clear lynch targets and tries to push them. This one is difficult to quote in a concise manner, you will have noticed it if you cared to do the research. Essentially, as mafia I like controlling the lynch, and I like influencing the direction of the game. Having not pushed a scum read this game, sorry cannot be mafia.

4) ritoky loves him some bussing. Not only does ritoky bus teammates hard, but he pushes back even harder. In this game, if ritoky were scum with JAT he would have bussed JAT HARD. He did not, cannot be scum.

Examples:

Down Under Mafia 2: ritoky tries hard to lynch Alakaslam day 1, after he magically survives, ritoky get's pissed off and calls for a vigi shot on teammate.

On March 04 2015 08:07 ritoky wrote:
ARE YOU GUYS FUCKING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW YOU PIECES OF SHIT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SHEEP MY FUCKING NEAR PERFECT SLAM READ

jesus christ. vigi shoot the shit out of slam if you exist, don't even think twice. send the action in right fucking now. 0 hesitation.



Carol of the Bells: Holyflare randomly starts scum reading ritoky for no reason, ritoky turns on the bus train
On December 11 2014 12:17 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:51 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:45 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 11:13 ritoky wrote:
HF can you start getting salty so i can read you as town already? you're doing town things, but you're not angry at idiots for lynching town....why?


you're telling me I should berate people for.... listening to me!? what the shit are you even talking about


you do that a lot...lol. especially when people listen to you for bad reasons and when you got people like koshi saying they are okay with it and rsoultin saying i told you so and kels pre-emptively saying i told you so.


stop wasting my posts with insignificant bs I have like 7 left, I literally just said kelsier is very likely mafia for talking about all that crap pre-lynch and I'm not going to berate other people who have the same reads as me because that means they are likely town. I'm confused why you even have this read when you literally just expressed how I "fooled" you last game which means this salty read is clearly not a proper read at all if I can emulate it as both alignments, not to mention you said I've been doing towny things and somehow that's pushed under the rug

I also said I was extremely sick and wouldn't be here post-deadline but here I am.


you are mafia


OMGUS, not angry, content on a stagnant read lynch, 0 development on bunnies read even after she posted, pushing other people but not moving your vote...thank you for making up my mind for me. you're feigning townie things, you're mafia.


i don't see how anyone in their right mind who was reading this game could think any of those things about me, I posted about 700 times on bunnies after she returned with new info every time and you're telling me that finding other mafia while I sit on someone I think is mafia makes ME mafia

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl


ORLY?

Here is HF's initial read on bunnies:

On December 09 2014 08:37 Holyflare wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@ Slam
@ Damdred

Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves.

And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post?

While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that.


I'm still here and haven't made an excuse about leaving? I'm not sure I understand what you're saying in bold at all though. It's one thing to talk about policy but this is showing that first and foremost you did not read his post because:

A) he wrote about not policy lynching lirkers because it's bad

And

B) he wrote about agreeing to policy lynch lurkers

And secondly you are defending a person that "is an easy target to be scum read" when that person has done genuinely scummy things and you are brushing it off


##vote 27ninjabunnies

Enjoy your date


It is his 3rd post of the thread, from there he talks about her 2 or 3 more times while she is here. She disappears from the thread for a long time. When she comes back here are his posts:

On December 10 2014 03:08 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum


He attacked marv last game

On December 10 2014 02:50 Damdred wrote:
Actually on another read through even though i'm slightly suspicious of Xata i'd probably never lynch him today Ritoky is a strange struggle read for me right now i'm not sure if hes town this time


Please look into why he was angry at someone using meta reads because it looked pretty strange to me and I don't want to spend my remaining like 20 or less posts on it with 24 hours+ left

Bunnies re entry not that great cz she says she town read people for other posts and not the attack on froggy but that just means her original statement of people jumping on froggy is invalid because it's most of her town reads


On December 11 2014 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
why the fuck did everyone dismiss my oats point btw? "I dunno how to read oats he just bad" is not a good reason at all and none of the vets even bothered to look at it and instead started pushing other nonsense.

go read it here: click me!

also now that bunnies actually said her claim wasn't a claim that's just really fucking disingenuous and scummy, her kelsier points weren't very good at all and i don't like that people took her "iffy" and "people to look at" claims as backwards because iffy means you have suspicion and to look at means null but somehow you all believe it's the other way around

there's also what kita said which was very good, she's only stuck at her "people" to look at really as scum reads the entirety of the cycle and hasn't paticularly changed, even on me lol -.- BASED ON MY FIRST POST???? Not to mention her hard on for kelsier that hasn't disappeared ever an on a "reread" of the thread had absolutely no new information whatsoever and still was going on about her list post and her reads only from that list post

I dislike HF at the moment more than froggy for his entrance post. Tbh, I understand there is a cap to posts (which I am probably rapidly approacing), but you shouldn't come into the game with the mindset that you aren't going to post much because of the cap. However, I did post a post just recently saying why I like HF now, for his view on Kelsier.


literally says that i'm disliked MORE than someone with 4 posts based on my entrance post but also liked now too? kind of a waste and pretty disingenuous to still be reading me based on my first post in an entirety of filter, not to mention there's a shit town of wasted filler posts in between each of her posts like "oh does anyone else read sickluckers name differently"

people should be still on her



anyway i realised i actually have quite a few posts for up to deadline so that's cool and i'm super ill so will probably rest after it


only the bolded part is yours here, and then:

On December 11 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
Like if it wAsint for that carol singer post I might be scared here. Like who randomly posts a video of themself carol singing it was a claim. Shes mafia back tracking.


not sure I agree with this first part but the back tracking part yeh

she's said "i might have to claim here" etc etc which eluded to having a role, posted the carol singers thing and then backtracked (still can't get over that -.-) etc etc and now it turns out she's just a disgruntled?


naaaaaaaaaaaaah bruv



That's it, the rest of your posts after her return are about pushing on other people.

you literally didn't develop this read at all after her return, you basically said "your kelsier read is crap" but now you agree with it to some extent apparently, and you didn't believe her claim/turned off by threatening a claim. that's the only development on your read since 2 hrs into the game in a 48 hour phase. that is not a HF read AT ALL. it is stagnant, it is crap, and it lynched town. you are mafia.

On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.

On December 11 2014 13:17 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:
On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:
On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is

also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping

I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all.


she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep.

further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia.


So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness)

I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead.


I mean I think I am at the point of confirmation bias on HF now, he is mafia. Making excuses is something HF doesn't do, he is making multiple excuses here. He wasn't using his vote as a weapon at all last phase, which is the same thing he did after day 1 of hearthstone mafia. And yes, if you have a top scum read that is so firm as you won't flinch from it from 2 hrs into the phase until the end, I expect you to devote a crap load more than you did to pushing and developing it, you didn't.

As for your criticism of my LS read, you forgot the part where I backed off and started defending him.

I would make this read as town, because I am town. Something I don't think you can say.


Imperial Mafia: ritoky's scum reads include robik (town), superbia (teammate), marv (teammate), damdred (teammate), sicklucker (town)

ritoky didn't bus JAT and doesn't have firm enough scum reads to be bussing this game. Always busses as mafia, cannot be mafia.

5) The damdred factor - Damdred has a soul read on me. He subbed into a game where no one had suggested the idea I could be SK and called me SK 2 posts in. Damdred has called ritoky town, ritoky is town. Further ritoky always shoots damdred if ritoky is mafia. ALWAYS.

6) The VT claim - very simple mafia mechanics here, if you can't understand it I don't think you deserve to be playing right now. ritoky plays troll all day 1 phase, if ritoky is mafia in this situation and is faced with lynch pressure, ritoky claims PR and either outs a PR for a trade or buys a free day. Rather than do this, ritoky pre-emptively before the lynch pressure exists claims VT. This is a play that is literally the most inefficient and stupid thing ever as mafia.

7) Divergent reads - ritoky was mislynched a lot early on in his mafia career because he doesn't often give reads in a manner that coincides or agrees with the "vets" (really the circlejerk party). In the process of rolling 13 straight town games in his first 13 TL games, it became widely known that ritoky had divergent reads as town and sick day 1 reads that should be taken to the bank. A prime example is Hearthstone mafia. In games where ritoky is mafia his reads tend to not be very against the grain.

8) The last and simplest to understand point of how ritoky cannot be mafia: the notorious giant list post. Very commonly when ritoky is mafia he makes a giant list of every player in the game and gives reads on them. It is atrociously bad and easy to spot.

And that my friends is how there is literally 0 way ritoky is ever mafia this game.

tl;dr:
1) troll and jokes = town (filter examples)
2) angry tunnels when mafia, no angry tunnel this game
3) likes to have clear lynch targets as mafia, pushed 0 people this game = town
4) ritoky is #1 TL busser as mafia, did not bus JAT
5) damdred soul read, ritoky always shoots damdred ASAP
6) VT claim, would have claimed PR under pressure
7) ritoky reads counter to thread sentiment -> ritoky town
8) no giant read list post = ritoky town

you now know how it is impossible for ritoky to be mafia this game. anyone who votes on me is confirming their own idiocy.


follow the guide. i even posted this for every1 to see in guardians of the galaxy, then proceeded to do 3/4 of it.

sorry nerdz i be town.

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D2, though, he whiffs pretty hard with these two posts:

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On April 12 2015 03:47 ritoky wrote:
could get behind a lynch on GB or eden.

eden because he seems to conclude that effort/activity = town and not-effort/activity = mafia. he is a much better player than to conclude that stupid crap as town.

gb because damdred makes his giant vote post and this response to it is trash:

On April 10 2015 12:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy you make your case look like a vote count analysis when it's just narratives. A huge pile of fluff.

The effort you've put makes me wary because I know you're effortless as Mafia. The problem is that you put effort into deceiving people, making them believe you made a huge vote count analysis when you actually just post narratives.

I said once and I'll repeat: town Damdred knows me too well to call me Mafia for the reasons you called me Mafia for.

You have an idea of what my tells are. Where did you see them in this game?


no specific explanation or quotes, all general criticisms, beginnings of doubt into redoubled push, and claiming the basis is pretty much omgus. this momentary hesitation hasn't really come up again until here:

On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.

But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.

I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you.


once again general criticism, lacks specifics, all heuristics. this push is fake and gb just shit fighting for the sake of shit fighting at this point. i think he realizes it is bad too.

my town reads day 1 are god tier. never doubt them: me, yamato, koshi, damdred all town never lynch.


(emphasis mine)

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On April 12 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote:
is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening?

cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden.


How did this switch happen exactly? >____>

But his last post was this:

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On April 13 2015 12:02 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am sorry, i have serious shit happening irl that is literally keeping me out of the game entirely.

i am town still.

fuck you SL is the first thing i want to say. i sat there and asked if there was going to be a switch to GB since he was my primary lynch target, 3 people told me no. i leave and you lynch him and blame me. fuck you first and foremost.

also GB spewed me town like no other, so i am basically confirmed now. damdred switching his read on me based on thread sentiment and activity vs what he actually reads me on above is suspect; but w/e i would probably scum read me for basically not playing for 72 hours.

anywayz, next phase the mafia is going to push a low hanging fruit ML on me, and when it comes to that i will shit town rainbows like i have been doing all game and we will lynch mafia instead of me.

back to life getting in the way of everything.

ciao


His GB read was weird overall (especially D1) and I don't like his about-face on me but it's REALLY hard to overlook some of the genuine stuff in his filter and especially his IDGAF attitude on D1/N1 where he was all badass with his GIF game.

Man, fuck. I dunno anymore.


this is what you posted about me. you are calling me mafia for not concluding anything, then look at your conclusion.

nuff said

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