Newbie Student Mafia VII - Page 86

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 01:54 GMT

#1701

On April 15 2015 10:48 The Shining wrote:

What do you gain by fake claiming cop as town? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever. Treat me like a newbie, since I am. What strategic advantage would this give town?

people would listen to me more

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

April 15 2015 01:55 GMT

#1702

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On April 10 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:

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i was more fine with it before his explanation, honestly? like i get the mindset of trains being too easy but i dunnae most of the thread leading up to his opinion change was why it could just be newbie behavior so doesnt fit so well

On April 11 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:

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nah i understand lol i'm not as sold either...seems like it might be his town game but i already said that i don't really get the lynchbait based on the number of people on the train argument, unless he thinks ace is scum in which case...i'd be happy to vote ace and he should vote with me! xD

the game i'm referring to is titanic in my profile (i link all my mafia games in my profile)

he replaced out so his filter is pretty small ^^ prp and i were also scum in that game so it's a good game to look at if you're looking for meta on some of the vets

another good example of bresh's scumgame is metal mini mafia, but i didn't play in that one so it's not in my profile

On April 11 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote:

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oh, and while you're at it...

what is your read on ace? you mentioned he's scummy later but i don't think you've ever said you want to lynch him? it seems to me that if your read on him is strong enough to make you question your initial scumread you'd have more to say about him xP

On April 13 2015 09:39 rsoultin wrote:
lol now i feel like i'm talking to myself ><

prp decided to make a random comment on stutters...i'm assuming based on old games? and is ignoring the posts on hts entirely, and silence from bresh

tell me why i'm out there, or why you guys don't seem to care?

do you have an opinion, prp?

On April 13 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote:
sorry typing too fast again lol ><

hts looks good for not mislynching plot

well, honestly prp, i'm waiting on this magic stutters promised xP cause no, he doesn't look particularly good, though i would place him nullish more than anything

i also need to revisit the case(s)? on you cause i only skimmed them earlier and noticed some posts taken out of context so discarded it at the time

dwarf i don't really want to vote so much for his previous posting, but no reads is bugging me

gonna give shining a bit of time to get readjusted, but he looks okay for just entering the thread

onegu i'm actually thinking is probably town for the ruckus he was making at EoD lol...demanding people stay on plot isn't good for his image if he's scum, though i guess if stutters is scum that point is weaker

i really want bresh to talk to me about hts >< i view bresh and truffle as good foils when i start worrying at something like a dog with a bone...it's concerning me a little that he's not engaging me more

where you at, prp?

On April 13 2015 14:28 rsoultin wrote:

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cool by me ^^ i'm curious, too

care to answer my what the hell were you getting at with the no one is reading me question anytime soon, bresh?

On April 14 2015 13:51 rsoultin wrote:

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On April 14 2015 13:43 Tubesock wrote:

On April 14 2015 13:33 rsoultin wrote:

On April 14 2015 13:26 Tubesock wrote:

On April 14 2015 13:21 rsoultin wrote:

On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:

On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.

I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.

In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.

Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.

xP

that doesn't tell me what you think about shining

lol and whether you agree or not, some players don't read the thread as scum, or at least claim they don't. whether it's good play or not doesn't really matter? unless this argument has any bearing on shining's alignment i don't see why we're discussing it again -_-

ha forgot that part. I liked the little content he had, but yeah why hasn't he produced like he said he would?

How long do we give these lurker players to be town? Why does it feel like town is just eating town right now?

If we are going to lynch a lurker type player, I want to kill Dwarf.

I just have weird bad feelings. I just think with like 5 lurkers about how angry I'm going to be if we have 3 lurker mafias who thought Soren was the towniest player so NK his slot but HF enters and the rest of us are like "holy shit obviously a vet is on the mafia team!"

I missed it, you voting Shining?

nah, ise being mysterious!

(see prp now you have to townread me xP)

if you put a gun to my head and said pick your lurker lynch, though, i think shining has a higher probability of flipping scum than bourneq (based mostly on the townie posts i posted earlier) and dwarf (i don't get the hard townread really, but i do still get that floundering newbie feel from him lol ><)

shining just...okay it always bugs me when people promise things then don't deliver, plus i know for a fact being lurkery is part of how he plays scum. like the difference between the newbie games i played with him (i can look up the numbers if you want them) and student V where he was scum was pretty much night and day lol ><

outside the lurkers, still weighing half-the-sky and bresh honestly...his day 1 was pretty damn good and maybe it's just cause he kept disagreeing with me lol >< but it just seems like he hasn't brought much to day 2 at all

beyond that, stutters' close-to-the-vest play is getting less interesting and more aggravating (in b4 this becomes about the potential blue soft), again probably because the one thing he's really pushing (prp) i don't agree with ><

On April 14 2015 14:10 rsoultin wrote:

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On April 14 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote:

On April 14 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote:
the analysis on plotspot was actually pretty good (if wrong), and this isn't the first time he mentions "bunnying" up posts lol

On April 11 2015 02:25 Bourneq wrote:

On April 11 2015 01:40 Tubesock wrote:

On April 11 2015 01:11 Bourneq wrote:
here comes my reads

Stutters is extremely suspicious too me seeing he has next to no activity in the game what so ever.

I am getting generaly good vibes from Breshke, he has been actively driving the conversation in reasonable directions judging by his filter. I dont like him calling dwarf lynchbait and still sticking with his vote however.

Onegus attitude puzzles me. Saying he is not going to tryhard and just going to try to troll and have fun makes me think; mafia wanting to look town but his other posts have not given me mafia vibes so I am unsure here.

rsoultin is annoying me with his emoticons lol. And calling people retarded is just retarded. Either tryhard mafia or not trying very hard town.

Hts looks really town too me but I thinks he is one of the veterans so she could be playing a really good mafia. I would put my money on town for now.

prpl is looking more and more scum to me. It was resonable to jump on me after my first few comments since they were weak but I have given my reasons and continuing with this crusade makes me belive he is scheming. I am certinatly the easiest target to harras given my inexperiance and poor response at the beginning of day 1.

Plotspot is screaming scum to me but I am looking forward to what he has to say when he gets back from work or whatever his excuse was.

jarjar could be mafia throwing reads about early to get in the good book but at the same time I have not seen enough from him to make any quick judgements so I would not place him in either alignment.

Ace is extremely quiet and this makes me think mafia. If not mafia then a town not contributing. Either way he is high up on lynch list for me untill he makes his voice heard.

Soren333 is looking very town too me. I like his resoning.

I like the few posts from Tubesock but would like to hear more.

I really like TBD's explenation of his behaviour but not reading the OP is really reckless and I would like fellow towns to know the rules and the pace of the game. But tbd seems as new as me at this so I will tread carefully here.

Boy that took a long time to write up. As for myself I have been playing poorly even if I was scum or town. I have already posted my excuse but at least it has given me some insight into who draws what conclusion from what I have said. Some conclusions are way more reasonable than others.

I agree Breshke is town. I'm missing something with the scum for waffling bit. I am towning him for that specifically, so I'd like feedback on why that could be wrong.

I'm not sure about Onegu either. But I think he's worth keeping around for a couple days as he will likely do something that will town/mafia him.

Rsoultin was caught as scum a few games ago because her emoticon to words ratio was too low, so this cracks me up. Now you're scumming her for too high of a ratio. Ignoring emoticons and her use of the word "retarded" don't you think she's being more productive than most in the game? She's town.

Agree on HTS. She has a few town posts, but again, I'm afraid of her.

Prplhz. I'm nully town. You actually brought up some good points but it is pretty tainted with OMGUS. I do think it's weird he's so tunnelled on you. Haven't decided if that's mafia motivated or not. But my next point:

Why is Plotspot SCREAMING scum to you? But you're not articulating it? Stuff like that makes Prplhz think you are scum.

I liked Jarjar's posts too. I've been meaning to ask him if he's still using his algorithm (something I misslynched him for in my only game with him).

Ace needs to step up. His giant posts basically said nothing but "don't kill me". He's my Dwarf alternate. He has a day to bleed town. So far I'm picking from these two.

I've already spoken about the rest.

"I agree Breshke is town. I'm missing something with the scum for waffling bit. I am towning him for that specifically, so I'd like feedback on why that could be wrong. " I geniunly dont know what waffling is so I would love to know that before I answer.

regarding Rsoultin I have no clue about what people have done in past games, I have not taken part in any of them. Any emoticons are too me trying to "fluff and bunny up" your post so thats why I said that. I would not read into it too much I am not that naive.

I am also afraid of hts.

"Prplhz. I'm nully town. You actually brought up some good points but it is pretty tainted with OMGUS" Im reading OMGUS as me being defensive. It would problably have been more productive to just ignore it in hindsight but I felt it was so unjustified that I got suprised. I understand it looked weird me being a bit cagey at the start how ever but I did state before I even got into the game that I was in the middle of a movie and on my phone. Thats why I did not want to start a big ordeal and came off as just dodging attention or whatever.

From reading plotspots filter a few things stand out to me.
"Since the rules states I have to vote, and I can't decide, I vote alphabetically."
"ROFL. You might as well be mafia seeing an opportunity to jump on him. haha" - trying to ridicule somebody to discredit them.
"He's playing like a fucktard."
I count 3 "^^" - bunnying his sentances
But his last post - "Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended." Calmed me down a bit and I am really interested in what he will bring to the table.
I would of chosen another word than screaming scum but I have only liked one of his posts so far so I was at least feeling him as mafia.

i actually 100% agree with this post? xP like, i read it as prp trying to get discussion going, but prp your attempt was so blatant i don't see how you expected anyone to get a read on you from it? unless you expected a townread or something lol and saying something "to generate discussion" when it's that obvious i not alignment indicative for me (just ask trfel) so i see no problem with others feeling the same way, obviously

On April 10 2015 08:32 Bourneq wrote:

On April 10 2015 06:24 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Bourneq

On April 10 2015 06:25 prplhz wrote:
because of his non committal stance on me

The fact that you wrote a fairly pointless sentance stating nothing and then following it up with a question what we think about you not stating anything makes me belive you are either a maffia trying to blend in by drawing attention to yourself so we would think you are not maffia since that would be stupid if you did that as maffia. OR you're a town trying to get a discussion going to give us more information.
But voting for me to be lynched out of me not making any quick judgements on you seems harsh and a stupid thing to do as town.

some of these points were clearly his misreading, for instance the omgus one, but lol i get where he's coming from on the dropped reads and you being so insistent on your bloody dwarf read xP i don't think these were bad points and i can see newbie town making them and coming to that conclusion

On April 11 2015 22:30 Bourneq wrote:
On to my prplhz read.

At the start he was questioning tbd a little, he even asked for tbd's reads but did not get any. Then magicaly he goes for his defence with this

On April 10 2015 09:09 prplhz wrote:
bloodydwarf comes in here and says some weird shit about cops saving him. that seems very poorly thought out and like it's just something his fingers wrote and then he pressed enter. doesn't seem like something scum would just say. considering that scum know the setup i imagine they'd actually be inclined not to talk about it if they can avoid it.

This also bugs me

On April 11 2015 03:01 prplhz wrote:
dunno if you're my top townies right now but you seem alright and if you agree that's probably a good sign

maybe bloodydwarf is my top town read but i'm not sheeping him

How can TBD be anybodys top town read?

On April 11 2015 03:05 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Half the Sky

This just seemed really unmotivated.

On April 11 2015 16:14 prplhz wrote:
okey plotspot

##Unvote
##Vote plotspot

Changing his vote too look more in tune with the town. I dont recall seeing prpl changing his tune on hts so why this sudden change of heart?

On April 11 2015 02:31 prplhz wrote:
welll i'm just going to drop bourneq for now he's beginning to put in some effort so maybe he's town who knows. anyway, i'm not getting anywhere with it so i'm just going to drop it.

He then drops his crusade against me when seeing a lack of support. It looks to me like he is afraid of looking scum.

On April 11 2015 02:28 prplhz wrote:
OMGUS means he thinks you're calling me scum because i'm calling you scum

he's saying you have decent arguments but unfortunately he has a hard time believing them because he thinks maybe you're just calling me scum because i'm calling you scum

I never called him scum before that post. So why is he fabricating a OMGUS response from me?

i guess what it comes down to for me is on the spectrum of newbies bourne was more actively in the thread and analyzing than the others? lol i'll admit i wasn't really placing my expectations that high for some of the newer players, but i didn't see how he was worse than plotspot or...yes...dwarf xP who still has practically no reads -_-

So I don't really get anything out of the first two posts but the first one is fairly hard for me tor ead because of formatting. (this is important later).

The last post you have a good point about like he actually does seem to be thinking critically about the game and prps alignment.

Another thing that makes me think bourne probably might actually be town is the difference in formatting between his first post that rso quoted and the last. The last is actually far more easy to read and improving your formatting to make your posts easier to read seems very townie to me because town actually wants people to read their posts where as scum is fine to be glossed over kind of. I don't actually think i want to lynch bourne today

<3!

lol sorry but your "no bad rso bad hts read" followed by sheeping what i perceived to be thread sentiment on bourne was giving me the willies. i expect more from you lol >< this makes me feel better about you (and not just cause you're agreeing with me)

i don't think you ever answered why you're so certain on hts being town, though?

On April 15 2015 04:19 rsoultin wrote:
meh i don't really know what prp is doing this day phase :/ i don't mind his EoD behavior except AFKing the lynch. like basically all of day 1 still looks good to me with that exception?

but then there's just the blah where he doesn't seem to have much of an opinion about today's lynch at all. like it almost seems like he's got the lynch down to between bourneq and tbd and is using townreading tbd as an excuse to lynch bourne, when there's tons more players in this game and 3 scum besides -_-

i dunnae. i'd lynch him before players like jjb, hts and truffle at this point (and prob bresh though he's on my list to look at too right now lol ><) but his day 1 makes me hesitant

i don't see this "overwhelmed" townie argument stutters >< he's had over 72 hours to get caught up, and his own excuse was just basically he didn't want to play lol >< at least as i understood it

and that's okay?

so tell me again how i was townreading you all game before shining re-entered the thread, breshke? -_-

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 01:56 GMT

#1703

like how would you treat someone who claimed cop in a closed setup?

Stutters695

2610 Posts

April 15 2015 02:03 GMT

#1704

On April 15 2015 10:54 prplhz wrote:

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people would listen to me more

Say stuff and I'll listen.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

April 15 2015 02:12 GMT

#1705

On April 15 2015 10:56 prplhz wrote:
like how would you treat someone who claimed cop in a closed setup?

But it isn't, so I'm more curious as to what the purpose of these posts are. I'm listening to you now. Talk to me.

Instead of griping about how no one listened to you and about setup, recoup and regroup. Show me you're town if you are because right now, after looking at votes and EoD, I'm not seeing it. And not by saying you're town. Or wishing you could fake claim cop.

What did you think about EoD? Did you learn anything from votes?

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 02:13 GMT

#1706

On April 15 2015 11:03 Stutters695 wrote:

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Say stuff and I'll listen.

i'm fairly certain you wont. why? because you didn't listen so far.

anyway, i already said i'm not going to talk. i'm just sitting here thinking about how you lynched dwarf and getting madder and madder.

well i can say one thing: in this entire game i haven't read a single good argument for me being scum.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 02:16 GMT

#1707

On April 15 2015 11:12 The Shining wrote:

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i learned three things

1 i was the only one who wasted my vote
2 that's scummy
3 both of those statements are untrue

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

April 15 2015 02:18 GMT

#1708

Well alright then.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

April 15 2015 02:25 GMT

#1709

Eh. Very reminiscent of yamato in my last Student game. Angry, sarcastic player that flipped town.

It was wasted because you afkd it and ended up being the only vote on Bourne. And yes, to me, afking a vote before EoD is scummy. It shows you don't care who dies.

The fact that I think afking EoD after voting is scummy is also included in why I scummed Bresh and why I'm revisiting JJB.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 02:39 GMT

#1710

On April 15 2015 11:25 The Shining wrote:
Eh. Very reminiscent of yamato in my last Student game. Angry, sarcastic player that flipped town.

It was wasted because you afkd it and ended up being the only vote on Bourne. And yes, to me, afking a vote before EoD is scummy. It shows you don't care who dies.

The fact that I think afking EoD after voting is scummy is also included in why I scummed Bresh and why I'm revisiting JJB.

okay. what do you feel about this:

i said like 8-10 hours before EoD that it was unlikely that i would be there.
if i had been there i would only have had one option (lynching dwarf).
dwarf also "wasted" his vote.

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

April 15 2015 02:51 GMT

#1711

On April 15 2015 11:39 prplhz wrote:

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I feel happy that you're talking and not blowing me off. I'll the passive aggressive over ignoring me any day.

Yes, you said you'd probably miss it. So did JJB. I'm still revisiting him. Bresh said he might miss it cuz of sleep. I'm also still under suspicion after giving excuses, as well. It is the nature of the game. What I want to know is your plan moving forward. Who is scum then? Bourne still? Stutters? THAT'S what I meant by what did you learn.

And if you had been here, you had another option. You haven't given a read on me, unless I missed it somehow. I would like you to. Trfel and Bresh were both ready to vote me. If you were here to lend them support, EoD could have gone differently. You could have saved your town read if you wanted to, the way Trfel did for you.

Dwarf didn't waste his vote. He voted for me, the counter wagon at the time to save himself. It isn't necessarily his fault that 3 people jumped off my wagon in the last hour or two. No point in him switching to you, as he reached 5 votes first.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:03 GMT

#1712

On April 15 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:
So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding.

There was three wagons.

Shining, who i think is scum
Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1
TBD who I had no diea about.

It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD

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I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do.

This makes sense and I can see how you were thinking that. 10x better than your reasoning EOD. Honestly I wished you put (even an abbreviated) version of this EOD instead of what you did so I knew 100% this was why you were voting, but I think I can see how you got this in your filter.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:05 GMT

#1713

not how you got this in your filter, how your filter backs up this reasoning for voting prp instead of dwarf

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 03:14 GMT

#1714

On April 15 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:

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my point is that scum have no reason to fake afk for a lynch they are up for because they can just vote the other guy with the reasoning that he is the other guy. if i was here and scum i could help ensure myself against shennanies by going "wtf you guys lynching me? lets lynch the other guy". and if i say i'm going to be gone and then i'm actually gone, then maybe i'm just gone and that's not very alignment indicative.

dwarf wasted his vote as much as me, i voted for bourneq at a point when nobody knew what the fuck was going on and then i didn't get back again. dwarf voted for you to save himself and didn't get back again. like, honestly, your arguments for why i am town are the best in the thread but they're still really weak.

my filter is big enough, you don't need more content, look it over and make a decision. the only thing i learned from this lynch is that people are willing to make the same mistake twice.

prplhz

Denmark8045 Posts

April 15 2015 03:14 GMT

#1715

for why i am scum*************

The Shining

United States2406 Posts

April 15 2015 03:22 GMT

#1716

On April 15 2015 12:03 jarjarbinks wrote:

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On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever

his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-

if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more

It does make sense in that perspective. However, there is still a disconnect between "placeholder vote", me coming into thread and casing him, and him moving to "he's scum, lynch Shining." It looks like an OMGUS. I want to know where and why I'm being scummed. If he can't tell us that, then why is he scumming me?

Tldr: unexplained scum read of a guy that scum read him with given reasons. Please explain.

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:25 GMT

#1717

@shining

did you see breshke's defense on his vote? What do you make of it?

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:26 GMT

#1718

o oops my b

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:29 GMT

#1719

On April 15 2015 12:22 The Shining wrote:

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On April 15 2015 12:03 jarjarbinks wrote:

It does make sense in that perspective. However, there is still a disconnect between "placeholder vote", me coming into thread and casing him, and him moving to "he's scum, lynch Shining." It looks like an OMGUS. I want to know where and why I'm being scummed. If he can't tell us that, then why is he scumming me?

Tldr: unexplained scum read of a guy that scum read him with given reasons. Please explain.

What is tldr?

honestly based on his "thirds" quote on you (where he originally voted you) I would assume his read on you wasn't that strong

jarjarbinks

569 Posts

April 15 2015 03:38 GMT

#1720

looking for gems tomorrow:

D2 votes with D1 votes
prp
bresh
tube
stutters
shining

i'll be around for about 10 min then i'm crashing

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