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Trfel
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rsoultin
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ummm i know shining, stutters and i all think he's scum, but i don't know about anyone else? and i'm not sure on shining either lol >< | ||
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Trfel
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On April 16 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote: After rereading Breshke's filter, he is my strongest townread.how much? ummm i know shining, stutters and i all think he's scum, but i don't know about anyone else? and i'm not sure on shining either lol >< He hasn't necessarily been the most forceful player here, but he's shown a clear desire to solve the game. He's been sharing important reads, and he's made a lot of very good observations. I just don't see Breshke being scum here. If you would like a meta reason, Breshke suffered from inactivity in the last game I played with him (Guardians of the Galaxy). He still made several key observations, but ended up being mislynched for his periods of inactivity. Given that I feel that his posts in this game have been more insightful than last, I am even less inclined to lynch him. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 16 2015 03:02 Trfel wrote: After rereading Breshke's filter, he is my strongest townread. He hasn't necessarily been the most forceful player here, but he's shown a clear desire to solve the game. He's been sharing important reads, and he's made a lot of very good observations. I just don't see Breshke being scum here. If you would like a meta reason, Breshke suffered from inactivity in the last game I played with him (Guardians of the Galaxy). He still made several key observations, but ended up being mislynched for his periods of inactivity. Given that I feel that his posts in this game have been more insightful than last, I am even less inclined to lynch him. which important reads are you referring to? he's a smart guy and has a tendency to focus on townreads/defending town as scum...which clearly was what he was doing day 2 if not day 1 lol at least the defending players part >< in terms of reservations though he does tend to be less decisive as town? like i've already put out meta points on him; they still hold meh i don't really find him as insightful this game as i'd expect >< there have been several occasions where at best it feels like he's stating things before he's read anything | ||
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Trfel
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On April 16 2015 03:19 rsoultin wrote: Okay, fine, his Day 2 was weaker. But I don't care? He played an extremely solid Day 1. Read through his filter again, there's an explanation for everything he's been doing.which important reads are you referring to? he's a smart guy and has a tendency to focus on townreads/defending town as scum...which clearly was what he was doing day 2 if not day 1 lol at least the defending players part >< in terms of reservations though he does tend to be less decisive as town? like i've already put out meta points on him; they still hold meh i don't really find him as insightful this game as i'd expect >< there have been several occasions where at best it feels like he's stating things before he's read anything | ||
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Half the Sky
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On April 14 2015 08:46 jarjarbinks wrote: So I'm trying to figure out stutters because most people are scumming him and I wasn't. I can take two conclusion from what he's done so far. 1. He is scum and not really trying. This is evident in his first read on bresh. His posting is rather small for someone who has played and knows the game. He seems to focus on himself and people talking to him over others His largest case is on prp, the guy who got the train started for him D1. 2. He is town and is going for a low content/high quality kind of game. Is probing and looking for reactions. His first read on Bresh didn't have much right? He was probably looking for a reaction there and didn't like the reaction, which is evident in his later post on him (i'll quote after this). He sets a trap for Trf. He doesn't really defend himself (I guess he's confident he won't get lynched?) but instead focuses on figuring people out in this game. The more I read his filter, the more I believe in #2. IF THIS IS TRUE, than I'm much more suspicious of the people on his train: tube, hts , and prp. With his low content posts, he appears to be an easy target. You could call it a trap? And guess what? All three were on my lists I drew up earlier. hts and prp drew red flags from me earlier. This also helps make the NK make more sense. Looks like I know where to look to find some scum lol On April 14 2015 13:28 jarjarbinks wrote: Prp- I wish I got to this. If I magically have free time tomorrow I will make a case. If not pretend I did and check him. Red flag + worse filter than HTS + earlier case I posted + on my list for most TR ##vote: Prp Looking through a few filters and trying to trace some progression here. It seems JJB, you didn't get to take a full case but I can see partially how you set some of the criteria for where your reads changed from D1 to D2 on prplhz. I see where you got the "worse filter" part and the "on my list for most TR" and I think I know what you mean by that second part even if you acknowledge it as faulty. But I went over your filter with fine tooth comb. What is the "red" flag you describe for him and "earlier case I posted" Page 3 of your filter/near end D1 you were townreading prplhz and the read change was based on you townreading Stutters and the prp filter. So I'm not clear on what you mean by the bolded in your list. To clarify, when you said you liked his earlier prodding of me early D2, so I'm trying to transpire what this "red flag" was that occurred later in D2 before you left for work. I realise you AFKed the vote because of RL, but I generally consider this NAI when RL is the issue. You AFKed just south of 12h before EoD. | ||
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rsoultin
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On April 16 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote: Okay, fine, his Day 2 was weaker. But I don't care? He played an extremely solid Day 1. Read through his filter again, there's an explanation for everything he's been doing. okay? so who do you think is scum? (for the record, i agree that a solid day 1 is reason enough to give people more time, just see prp...however to refuse to consider his day 2 because of his day 1? that's foolish xP a lot of people fall off as scum after day 1 because it's hard to maintain) | ||
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Trfel
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On April 16 2015 03:31 rsoultin wrote: To be honest, right now I'm kind of wondering if the hosts screwed up and didn't make any scum team. Really though, I'm kind of kicking myself. I'll spend maybe another hour or so digging through filters trying to find something, but then I'd better get to my schoolwork, as I'm quite far behind.okay? so who do you think is scum? (for the record, i agree that a solid day 1 is reason enough to give people more time, just see prp...however to refuse to consider his day 2 because of his day 1? that's foolish xP a lot of people fall off as scum after day 1 because it's hard to maintain) I guess the people I'm most suspicious of are Bourneq, The Shining, and maybe Tubesock or Stutters695. I'm leaving you (rsoultin), Half the Sky, and jarjarbinks for later. I'm looking at prplhz presently, though I don't expect to find much that is scummy. | ||
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rsoultin
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On April 16 2015 03:35 Trfel wrote: To be honest, right now I'm kind of wondering if the hosts screwed up and didn't make any scum team. Really though, I'm kind of kicking myself. I'll spend maybe another hour or so digging through filters trying to find something, but then I'd better get to my schoolwork, as I'm quite far behind. I guess the people I'm most suspicious of are Bourneq, The Shining, and maybe Tubesock or Stutters695. I'm leaving you (rsoultin), Half the Sky, and jarjarbinks for later. I'm looking at prplhz presently, though I don't expect to find much that is scummy. i feel so unloved ;o; eh i like shining though :/ we had a moment lol >< okay i'll admit i'm probably conf biasing up the ying yang cause most of my townreads (not all) are people who agree with me >< bad rso. but i don't think i'm going to get to filter-diving before EoN | ||
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Trfel
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On April 14 2015 09:29 prplhz wrote: To me, this suggests that when prplhz says "town", in this case, he means "shouldn't be lynched". So when he says that TheBloodyDwarf is town, what he means is that he should never be lynched (or at least until he has reason to think that everyone else is town). And this makes sense. (sorry of the wording here is confusing, feel free to ask if this doesn't make sense)because of the things i just said? i'm not going to say "too scummy to be scum" because that's dumb. when a guy say "i'm mysterious" in his first game then he's probably town. there. i don't think we'll get much more out of him this game and i'm not going to lynch him for that unless i end up in a situation with a bunch of people looking more townie than him and we're far from there. rso say something about bourneq Prplhz's filter over this time period does look pretty bad. I like his confidence going into Day 2, though, that seemed rather townie to me. Still, I found his reasoning and read progression hard to follow for Day 2. I suppose I could lynch him Day 3 after all, if he doesn't step up. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On April 15 2015 22:53 Stutters695 wrote: Complete WIFOM, but I'm starting to think that them giving up on Prpl and him trying to get cred from the bus is actually viable based on how Prpl has been since and Bresh's reasoning. Got a bit before we need to deal with that though. AFK Work I also just realised looking at the votes that a thing to consider from the voting is that it was a possibility that the BloodyDwarf could have voted prplhz to save himself at any time, and especially if he'd done so before Trfel, the Breshke/Dwarf combination would have successfully hammered prplhz at 5-5 with prplhz being the tiebreaker. Final vote count: TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel Breshke (0): The Shining (1): Bourneq (1): prplhz Half the Sky (0): prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke Stutters695 (0): | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
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As of now, I feel okay about JJB's rationale for the prplhz vote. There are some gaps I'd like to clear up since I'm not clear on the major points where he went from "probable town" on prplhz to "lynchables" though he's highlighted some of the other criteria which is in line with the rest of his progression. Regardless of where Breshke stands, we know there's one scum guaranteed on the Dwarf wagon and though he mentioned he wasnt' confident in his reads and the whole OMGUS thing if he was still scumreading prplhz, why he didn't take the other points we discussed on prplhz into consideration. (I don't think he was scumreading Stutters.) The points that he had on prplhz and the points discussed were all scummy behaviour and he still policy lynched. What bothers me a bit is that he gave prplhz town points for hard defending Dwarf all game. I want to question why he is so sure this is from a town motivation when 1 Dwarf wasn't close to being lynched D1 2 the train on Dwarf only really started taking off at 18:30 my time or 3.5h before EoD (Shining's vote was #2) and well after prplhz had afked for the day. I want to look into Tube as well to make sure I didn't miss anything in terms of read progression and Shining reads particularly from D1 to D2. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Regardless of where Breshke stands, we know there's one scum guaranteed on the Dwarf wagon and though Bourneq mentioned he wasnt' confident in his reads and the whole OMGUS thing if he was still scumreading prplhz, why Bourneq didn't take the other points we discussed on prplhz into consideration. (I don't think he was scumreading Stutters.) The points that he had on prplhz and the points discussed were all scummy behaviour and he still policy lynched. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Stutters695
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On April 16 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote: Okay, fine, his Day 2 was weaker. But I don't care? He played an extremely solid Day 1. Read through his filter again, there's an explanation for everything he's been doing. Can you give me something that stands out? I'm still leaning scum but I wouldn't put it past me to miss something. Also, what do you make of the end of d2 on him? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
One argument potentially in favour of Breshke is whether it is likely for him (or whether he has a history of) to do illogical things as town. Because as we all know, townies can do dumb things at times. I mean, I sure as hell did in several of my town games (or aligned) with voting (reference: Carol voting a null read in Tubesock over a scumread, I scumsided hard every night in Aperture, voting down in JOAT a paranoia/fear read on sicklucker over a more hard scumread in sandroba) so I think that is probably another thing to check on him before being absolutely sure. Which is why I'm trying to ferret out other people on the Dwarf wagon, seeing as I'm mostly confident the remaining three of us on the prplhz wagon are pure. Being confident of prplhz as scum, should be able to locate at least one suspicious person on the Dwarf wagon. Bourneq is my top candidate atm. If two people are looking bad or potential scum on the wagon then we can PoE Breshke as town. | ||
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Half the Sky
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I know he does have a history of AFKing at times as either alignment so I'm going to ignore the drop in activity alone. | ||
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Trfel
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Breshke is town. Prplhz is probably town, assuming he plays fairly well for Day 3. | ||
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Half the Sky
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I know the world of Liquidia generally loathes list posts but here we go: Confirmed town: TBD, plot, Soren/HF, myself Town Rasputin - well, duh Trfel - the analysis is there, and I'm seeing change in reads based on evidence Stutters - post d1 activity and pushes have been spot on Townlean: JJB - Decent filter - some gaps in the prplhz change in reads, but could mostly follow. Doesn't seem to have an agenda. Under review: Breshke - D1 activity okay, D2 activity illogical, need to check town meta Tubesock - Trace all read progression. Did town him for tinfoil/GF theories, but needed to see how he drove the Dwarf lynch. Need to review why he dropped prplhz as a scumread. Shining - Super low activity from him and Ace. Meta-ed him post-lynch and didn't look good but need to check latest posts. Probable scum: Bourneq - Did scumread prplhz, could have explored others' scumreads on prplhz but effectively policy lynched. Newb scum error? Lynch it with fire prplhz - Do I need to beat a dead horse with this one? | ||
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