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On April 15 2015 09:47 Half the Sky wrote:
The only possible argument I can explore for the "high-risk" player type in Breshke would be the Horn of Africa game where he was debating whether to shoot scum JAT or town LS and he said in post-game.
I'd like Rasputin to comment on that if she can since she played in that game.
Even then this is a towngame Breshke. Not scum. A yolo play from him as scum would better support.
Absent this, there isn't enough information to support the high-risk argument which would draw the conclusion that prplhz and Breshke are not the same alignment.
But then again this is a student game. If yolo plays have fooled veterans.... >_<
what's the point? xP
he did all caps I WANT TO KILL RSO or some such in titanic when we were scum together and the jks were mod-confirmed, which irritated me no end lol because there was no need for him to do that, but he didn't actually vote me so...meh
why does it matter?
it's as simple as who do you think is scummier of prp and bresh, and worry about the associations later lol ><
sorry got something of a headache -_- but anyway
prp dude i want you to be town at this point just because i want to be right, which is a super bad reason lol >< why are you being so bm right now?
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On April 15 2015 09:34 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining, looking at the voting order, Trfel was townreading prplhz and his choices were hammering a townread in prplhz (vote would have been 4-5 with prp being lynched), hammering a nullread in Dwarf, or keeping his vote where it was.
By hammering a nullread, he effectively saved someone he was townreading, prplhz. The vote was tied at 4-4, though Dwarf was first to 4 votes per the counter, anyone could have hammered prplhz. EBWOP - I think this is town agenda from Trfel.
I understood that when I saw his reasoning. And it does look good on the surface. I just don't like him saving his vote until he was forced to hammer and then hammering Dwarf while voting with his top(see:only) scum read.
If I'm in that position, as town, I have to believe my top scumread isn't voting scum. He's voting a mislynch. So he voted for what should look like a sure mislynch to him if he thinks I'm scum instead of still trying to lynch me. Or prpl, the guy that afkd EoD and showed up shortly after.
I just can't shake the feeling that there's something wrong about voting with your top scumread, even in this circumstance.
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i'm not an authority on bresh, hts, but honestly i would not call him a high-risk player lol >< i would not call him a high-risk person in general. one thing i've always admired about him is how rational and even-keeled he tends to be
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On April 15 2015 09:49 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm I liked the way breshke defended hts though, granted it was defending someone other than scumming them.
I think I earlier give some cred because he liked one of my posts. biased and I shouldn't have thought that. still, could bresh acted poorly EOD because he was flustered town? does he get flustered often and play illogically in past town games?
That is a fair question. I know he's scumsided at times as town, but to be straight up illogical I am not sure.
And if the answer is yes, it would support the opposite alignment.
From a town perspective, he was nullreading (as I understand he "didn't have the info") prplhz, would not lynch Dwarf and couldn't get the support for Shining. So he chose between a nullread and a (possible?) townread, and picked the nullread despite voting with a scumread.
On April 15 2015 05:57 Breshke wrote:
I will hammer prp to save dwarf. Prp has him as top town its what he would want. Also shining and rso pushing for him makes me feel even betetr about saving him
I don't like the bolded in this first quote because you should vote based on your own alignment. If he's sheeping prp on the Dwarf read, then his vote on prp makes less sense.
But I know he was scumming Shining and I think this is the second time he's mentioned Rasputin and those votes on Dwarf - if he is town - would keep him away from that wagon.
On April 15 2015 05:59 Breshke wrote:
sorry trefel i think tbd is more likely town than prp and scummers probaly on tbd wagon
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breshke intimated more than once that he thought i was scum for scumreading him ^^ so assuming he's town that would make sense, hts
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On April 15 2015 09:58 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not an authority on bresh, hts, but honestly i would not call him a high-risk player lol >< i would not call him a high-risk person in general. one thing i've always admired about him is how rational and even-keeled he tends to be
Nothing in any scum play jumps at me as high-risk.
I know in NYE Party, I battled a wagon for 90 minutes and scum Breshke was defending BOTH wagons. Meta point - lot of defending others in his scumgames, including Titanic 7.
But in NYE, no high-risk play from him at all until he was vigi shot. I don't think he did jack all D2 in that game and town lost two in that day cycle - Oats was mislynched and I was modkilled.
The support isn't there.
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On April 15 2015 10:07 rsoultin wrote:
breshke intimated more than once that he thought i was scum for scumreading him ^^ so assuming he's town that would make sense, hts
Indeed it would.
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This is my starting point.
On April 15 2015 06:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Bourneq voted Dwarf pretty darn early. He was scumming both prplhz and Dwarf. Could be a townie that's wrong or could be a scummer that saved prplhz and I think he was around EoD and did nothing.
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tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more
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His rationale for picking Dwarf over prplhz early and then not changing -
On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead.
On April 15 2015 04:20 Bourneq wrote:
I have always looked closely on prplhz but when I made a case against him I was acused of OMGUS so I dont think I would be the best person to make a good case against him. Comparing his filter to Dwarfs made me settle on a dwarf lynch seeing dwarf has contributed nothing.
Newb town or newb scum? I can see either.
I know I've asked him why he's defending policy reads over scum reads, but would that mean from a newb scum perspective he's wanting to look good for not wanting to vote someone for OMGUS reasons. Concern about appearance?
Thoughts?
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Almost 2:30am here. I have to go to bed. Good night everyone.
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On April 15 2015 10:22 Half the Sky wrote:His rationale for picking Dwarf over prplhz early and then not changing - Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 22:04 Bourneq wrote:
Prplhz activity in d2 is really poor. He has been consistent in 2 things, defending dwarf and trying to lynch the 1 person I can be absolut sure is town. D2 he seems to be sure about his scum read on stutters yet pushes a lynch on me instead. Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 04:20 Bourneq wrote:
I have always looked closely on prplhz but when I made a case against him I was acused of OMGUS so I dont think I would be the best person to make a good case against him. Comparing his filter to Dwarfs made me settle on a dwarf lynch seeing dwarf has contributed nothing. Newb town or newb scum? I can see either. I know I've asked him why he's defending policy reads over scum reads, but would that mean from a newb scum perspective he's wanting to look good for not wanting to vote someone for OMGUS reasons. Concern about appearance? Thoughts?
lol eeeeehhhhh all i can say is that if it were me, even if i was settling for dwarf because no one was listening to my arguments against prplhz, if i saw the opportunity to lynch him i'd take it xP even as a newbie
i can't read bourne's mind lol ><
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my first inclination is just to say that it's not really alignment indicative? unless you're saying they're bussing one another and that's why when push came to shove bourneq chose to keep his vote on dwarf
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So i want to explain my EoD actions because not many people seem to be understanding.
There was three wagons.
Shining, who i think is scum
Prp, who i was null town leanish/hadn't looked into much since D1
TBD who I had no diea about.
It was obvious to me that the shining lynch was not going to go through. The only person whow anted it in the thread as much as i did was trefel. After realising i would not get the lynch i wanted i assessed the other two wagons. Rso and shining were both voting on TBD. If shining is scum RSo is most likely his partner because the way is ee it she stopped im from getting lynched EoD. That coupled with the fact with how fast she flipped her read on me while seemingly calling me town all game leads me to think they are both scum. This lead me to the conclusion that i would rather lynch Prp than dwarf because if shining and rso are scum they would not BOTH be voting their scum partner TBD therefore it would be more likely that prp was scum than TBD
On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more
I honestly don't know where the bolded part has come from but I want you to know whatever your alignment and whatever my allighnment this is not how i was trying to come across to you. I hoenstly did not think you would get enough votes on me and i was having a hard enough time actually finding someone i thought was scum after i flipped on bourne so i wasn't interested in trying to defend myself with like half an hour left when i felt it wasnt necessary and there was more important things to do.
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I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD.
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod.
Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2.
Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best.
This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me.
I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off.
Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it.
Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me.
I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not.
Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/
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bresh if you think i've been townreading you all game i don't know what game you're reading -_-
regardless, it wasn't that, it was the reaction to my vote change, which as i said makes sense if you think shining and i are scum, so i'm done being pissed off about it
my real question is where the scumread came from? as i said, you made it seem like policy when you left the thread lol ><
also i kind of don't even want to talk to you much until you read what you missed because you clearly haven't ^^
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i am not joking lol why do people keep saying i am joking when i am not joking
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On April 15 2015 10:38 rsoultin wrote:
bresh if you think i've been townreading you all game i don't know what game you're reading -_-
regardless, it wasn't that, it was the reaction to my vote change, which as i said makes sense if you think shining and i are scum, so i'm done being pissed off about it
my real question is where the scumread came from? as i said, you made it seem like policy when you left the thread lol ><
also i kind of don't even want to talk to you much until you read what you missed because you clearly haven't ^^
ehh ok. I actually have read everything but that was this morning. Will reread stuff but might not be that active until tonight because i have a job interview i want to practice for. I also dont think there is much for me to say until next Day phase
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On April 15 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
tbh i've cooled down a little -_- but i was pissed off that he was like fuck you anything you want i don't lol >< right after i said he'd had no time to defend himself so i wasn't going to push his lynch...no i may not have been able to get the votes, but i could have damn well tried and probably gotten close at least >< whatever
his play makes sense as town from the assumption that shining and i are scum -shrugs-
if anything i'm confused about the apparent strength of his scumread on shining that it provoked that reaction, because when he left the thread he made it sound like it was policy and nothing more
I'm curious about the bolded myself. Breshke, your last post really makes me think you could have believed all of this and went for that move if in fact you did believe RSo and I were scum together. It makes a lot of sense.
But when did you go from policy voting me to fully scumming me? The only case I saw on me was Trfel. You came back after I cased you and all of a sudden I'm scum for showing up and analyzing. I thought you voted me for not doing these things? So doing these things make me scummier? I don't get it.
Unless you were just sheeping Trfel. Is that what you were doing? Because again, you're scumming someone who you haven't even interacted with or spoken about at all before doing so.
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On April 15 2015 10:40 prplhz wrote:
i am not joking lol why do people keep saying i am joking when i am not joking
What do you gain by fake claiming cop as town? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever. Treat me like a newbie, since I am. What strategic advantage would this give town?
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