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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:17 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah, they are like 99% not the same alignment. I still think prpl is scum but I don't like that Breshke went from not wanting to lynch me but suspecting me to wanting to lynch me to sheeping my case. I don't have time for full on analysis, but his d2 seems worse the more I think about it. His D2 play was closer to his scum meta. I want to say the vote on him came approx 6-7h prior to EoD, but I'd have to double check since he was going to bed where he lives. Mafia agenda in his voting processes (from switching from Shining when he was scumreading Stutters, and unwilling to lynch Dwarf, switching to Shining and then possibly hammering prp) could be wanting to look good. He sheeped Trfel. On April 15 2015 05:48 Breshke wrote: This is true and a really good point. its the morning and im grumpy with people. I havn't looked at prp enough to vote him. So i really can't see myself doing. I think shsining is the way to go. Add trefel to my townlist Key is the bolded. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On April 15 2015 08:46 The Shining wrote: Lol this, amongst other things I've brought up regarding Bresh, are why I think he's scum. maybe I didn't see this, but I don't see where you brought this up? and I don't really know how scummy this logic is honestly. Not the smartest? Definitely. It IS scummy to use this as the reasoning behind your vote though. Plus the whole "i'm going to go to bed and let you guys squabble over if i'm town or not" makes no sense from a town perspective. If you are town, you do try to get people to squabble over your actions because that wastes valuable time to find real scum. I understand the need to make your vote relevant, but unless you can't get ANYONE to follow ANY of your scumreads then you look for the most likely guy to flip scum. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Answered this already. Your hard on for me this game is quite funny, tbh. You can spin it any way you want but you do realize you voted with me, right? Regardless of shenanigans and what's going on at EoD, if you really think I'm scum, why did you vote with me to hammer the mislynch? Voting with your top scum read doesn't look good to me, even if to save your town read. Not to mention, although I am used to !townTrfel tunneling, it's a bit disconcerting that you're not putting in any effort now to hunt anyone but me. There are 3 scum left and I'm not one of them. Do you care about finding them? Any of them? | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
I don't. I need to see what reads breshke came up with before he got bombarded by Rso and others. I thought the "claim if your RB'd" thing was insightful due to the fact I never heard it before. Prp: you were mostly out EOD, what did you make of it? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
By hammering a nullread, he effectively saved someone he was townreading, prplhz. The vote was tied at 4-4, though Dwarf was first to 4 votes per the counter, anyone could have hammered prplhz. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:17 prplhz wrote: no wait, i don't actually give a shit. i'm so pissed at this open setup can't even fake claim cop tomorrow. Wat | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:31 The Shining wrote: Since I showed up today, made a case and replied when questioned? See, I'm used to you tunneling, Trfel. When you think you've got scum, you pursue it passionately. But the last time I saw you tunnel this hard, it was after I offered you an alternate case that could've won us the game. Instead, your tunnel lost it for us. I'm inclined to think you're just misguided town on me. As for Breshke, that last minute switch was really odd. If you think both are town, why would you lynch the one that's contributed, as opposed to someone who offered us nothing to this point? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:28 jarjarbinks wrote: HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team? Stutters (whom I'm townreading) provided the following explanation. On April 15 2015 06:33 Stutters695 wrote: Also, scum motivations for Breshke attempting to hammer: If prpl is town, he gets lynched and everything I've done all game is for naught making me a relatively easy mislynch with how divided we are. If prpl is scum, he gets lynched and gets massive town cred for hammering him. If this is the case that would mean that the third member thinks prpl is doomed anyway which has it's own implications. Or they're both town and we're royally fucked, but I doubt any of these are happening. We need to ask a few questions here: 1 Is Breshke a high-risk high-reward player? Like Toadesstern? Like sicklucker? 2 How likely is it that any player on D2 would hammer like this in a newbie game especially? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote: Shining, looking at the voting order, Trfel was townreading prplhz and his choices were hammering a townread in prplhz (vote would have been 4-5 with prp being lynched), hammering a nullread in Dwarf, or keeping his vote where it was. By hammering a nullread, he effectively saved someone he was townreading, prplhz. The vote was tied at 4-4, though Dwarf was first to 4 votes per the counter, anyone could have hammered prplhz. EBWOP - I think this is town agenda from Trfel. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:31 The Shining wrote: Jar Jar, this is the post where I mention not liking his switch. I assumed after scumming Breshke and being willing to lynch him, it would be understood that me seeing his switch as "odd" would also mean "scummy." Ok that makes sense. I thought you were talking about my hatred for his reasoning, not the switch itself | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:28 jarjarbinks wrote: HTS do you think breshke and prp could be on the same team? I don't. I need to see what reads breshke came up with before he got bombarded by Rso and others. I thought the "claim if your RB'd" thing was insightful due to the fact I never heard it before. Prp: you were mostly out EOD, what did you make of it? Am I missing something? Why is a prpl-Bresh team unlikely? It's not the team I suspected but it doesn't seem impossible, either, especially if Bresh thought one of us would move onto Prpl and attempted to bus. Breshke was here before EoD. He gave us 3 townreads(Tube, HTS, JJB iirc) and scummed me. So I'm curious too as to whether he had any other scumreads. & where he stands on prpl, since he was willing to hammer him to save Dwarf. Also, you gave me something to think about with Prpl white knighting for Dwarf. It makes sense that a scum prpl would single out and defend what now looks like one of the easiest mislynches available. If or when he flipped green, prpl could buy town cred with that defense. Or he could really have been trying to save a townread. Meh I actually did think about it. Feels like wifom at best. I've got to revisit the HTS case on prpl before I can decide on him. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:32 Half the Sky wrote: Stutters (whom I'm townreading) provided the following explanation. We need to ask a few questions here: 1 Is Breshke a high-risk high-reward player? Like Toadesstern? Like sicklucker? 2 How likely is it that any player on D2 would hammer like this in a newbie game especially? I see what you are saying. I would think no to number 2. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
On April 15 2015 09:40 Half the Sky wrote: JJB - Alright, last scumgames aren't doing much to answer #1. He was vigishot in both of his scumgames. + Show Spoiler [Breshke] + [W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 2 Newbie Mini Mafia LIX Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 3 Campus Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4 Student Mafia IV Town Vanilla Survived Day 6 Metal Mini Mafia! Mafia Vanilla Killed Night 1 New Years Eve Party Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Killed Night 2 Student Mafia V Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Horn of Africa Mini Mafia Town Vigilante Survived Day 3 still 2 is relatively unlikely.... but since we don't know the answer to number 1. Why would one of the vets in here pull this play now? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I'd like Rasputin to comment on that if she can since she played in that game. Even then this is a towngame Breshke. Not scum. A yolo play from him as scum would better support. Absent this, there isn't enough information to support the high-risk argument which would draw the conclusion that prplhz and Breshke are not the same alignment. But then again this is a student game. If yolo plays have fooled veterans.... >_< | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Still nearly everyone is struggling to make sense of his switch. | ||
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jarjarbinks
569 Posts
I think I earlier give some cred because he liked one of my posts. biased and I shouldn't have thought that. still, could bresh acted poorly EOD because he was flustered town? does he get flustered often and play illogically in past town games? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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