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On April 11 2015 03:32 rsoultin wrote: so it's not a real townread it's just a you're not sure so don't lynch read? i can buy that i think Yes exactly. | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? No but you implied it. The fact that you are considering changing a vote to me implies you have some potential to scumread on him even if you aren't explicitly saying it. The bad play versus scum play was a natural followup not because I'm sure you're town, but because I was interested in seeing how you'd go about sorting his alignment. That's a common sentiment and challenge in newbie games tbh. As for Onegu, the way I see it, he's been caught out doing things where he could be checking the OP but he doesn't. For example, in Guardians, which I hosted, he questioned Trfel on usage of the orb with certain number of people when it was clear in the OP (and others corrected him) that the orb was gone with 11 players or fewer. | ||
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On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Why do you think he's a victim? He dissauaded Soren from digging into him (I'm not terribly convinced of his answer atm) but more concerning, at this stage in the game, he hasn't given reads. I've asked for them. Even you've given them. | ||
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On April 11 2015 03:52 Stutters695 wrote: HtS: what do you think of Breshke? You found my original accusation suspect yet haven't touched on either since you've been back. Breshke seems alright so far. He's voted Dwarf in the beginning which is a town tell - I know that in his scum games he delays definite scumreads until closer to the end of the day like he did in NYE Party and Titanic, although he replaced out the latter game but it was close enough to EoD and IIRC he hadn't scumread anyone yet. You said his vote on dwarf had no reasoning, and he posted a reason two posts before he voted (check his filter). On April 10 2015 08:11 Breshke wrote: Also @Thebloodydwarf I asked about your vote because random voting is w/e but im under the understanding that it is done to apply pressure. Yet you voted someone who was around and posting and actively trying to produce content with people. This leads me to think that you simply voted to just fit in with other people doing it. Then you said he was back to null. I think he was just evaluating the motivation of those (or trying to) of those also voting for BD. On April 10 2015 15:40 Breshke wrote: I'm actually still voting for him so i havnt exactly flipped. The lynchbait thing was because i felt a bunch of people were jumping on the wagon but i was actually wrong theres only 4 and one is sorren and one if me so it is still fairly pure. The other two are tube and ace and I am kinda town lean on tube but expect more from him. Ace's post where he votes didnt impress me much and thats another thing that attributed to me calling it lynchbait. Unless I'm looking at the wrong quote I didn't see anything wrong and I didn't think he was null esp after agreeing with my dissausion point. Also I don't think his post to Soren was necessarily a defence of prplhz, and I didn't think it was unnecessary. I think there's a difference between pointing a seeming contradiction or incongruency in behaviour and saying that "no prp is town". You could switch prp's name with someone else and it wouldn't be a defence of that person. You can also see later in Breshke's filter that he questions a TR on prp. | ||
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On April 11 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote: are you saying that just because a lot of people think something then it's justified to think it? Uh no, not in the least. To be blunt, prp, I don't like your answer at all. My focus in this question are the reasons people are scumreading him, not the number of people scumreading him. | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:34 plotspot wrote: Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons. It's a bit contradictory in logic. | ||
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Still icing myself (ran a half marathon this morning \o/), but I'm back home. Another 30-45 and I'll be catching up. | ||
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On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote: I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right? Oh geez, surely someone's caught this by now, but this is a horrible explanation. I mean I'd say he's a victim, but not because of other people, but because of himself, whereas, plot's prior statement had a context where he was the victim by others. Which doesn't make sense. | ||
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On April 11 2015 17:46 Tubesock wrote: So, I have this fascination with trying to read difficult/cryptic players. Players like Alakaslam, Sicklucker, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. It's dumb, but I absolutely love playing with those guys. I fall into big traps though, like finding deep meaning into statements and their word useage and once I think they are scummy I really get into confirmation bias. I'm really confused on TheBloodyDwarf. He hasn't done a single towny thing yet. He's blatantly ignoring requests for any type of read and isn't helping town at all. I mean it's so anti-town that mafia would at least try to fake something. He's not even doing that. He like doesn't care at all, he's trying to act as scummy as possible it seems. He made some posts which made me unvote him. At that time I was thinking he was basically softclaiming Vet. I didn't want to pursue anything and I think others were thinking the same thing. It would obviously defeat the purpose of him being vet. While at work i was thinking about him a lot. It just bugged me. A vet would play towny right? The entire point is to make MAFIA shoot you. But then you also have to avoid being lynched. And he's obviously not doing that. Then my tinfoil hat deflected an alien interrogation beam. TheBloodyDwarf is Godfather. BloodyDwarf comes from SC2 mafia arcade. So it's safe to say he plays SC2. He presumeably found TL mafia from the SC2 forums. He's not dumb, he's probably the more hardcore gamer type. TL Mafia does seem like the harder core version of many versions of mafia I think. So, he's fucking smart. He's not playing poorly at all. If he is Godfather, he KNOWS the setup. He knows if there is a cop/doc/vigi/vet. The OP says mafia knows. Reread his filter, doesn't it look like he's trying to make people think he's vet? "Don't shoot me" "I hope cop/vigi are guud". Yeah, he wants to make it look like he doesn't really know the setup but is telling the cop to check him so he returns town. He then knows who the cop is and mafia get to kill him. And he is basically confirmed town who gets to live at least another day. He softs vet knowing people probably won't push him since an outed vet is sooo bad for town. He then doesn't have to act towny. But in order to get cop checked he has to act really scummy so that the cop will check him over other question marks. I don't have a problem with you saying this, I'm used to your tinfoil theories  But there's something I don't understand from a gameplay standpoint. (See bolded). Even if the cop, if we have a cop, checks him, how is he going to know who the cop is? How do you know the cop will out with a check esp this early in the game. I haven't played student game in awhile, checked the rules, and nothing is jumping out to me that indicates if he were scum, that he'd be getting any sort of added information this way. Am I misunderstanding you? | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:25 prplhz wrote: i don't understand first he says that tbd will get lynched because people want to lynch him then he says it's tbd's own fault i don't understand what the problem is also half marathon that's pretty impressive Okay, let me phrase it differently. Take a look at the quote in totality, it's extremely awkwardly worded. On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote: I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right? 1 I point him out on the word "acceptable" 2 His quoted part of the sentence (which I've bolded) he is saying others are finding it acceptable but he's not so sure (not nailingly sure for me) 3 In his prior post, he said that Dwarf was a victim, but then by saying "he has to justify himself.....that's also because he hasn't posted a lot, right" he's already answered his own concern in #2 "not nailingly sure for me." On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: [...] about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^ Of course when I go back here at how he said these things originally and esp how his wording has "evolved" on Dwarf, and I feel like he's trying to get around this read/conclusion in a wishy washy way. It's quite scumlike behaviour to me. | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote: okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol can we lynch soren or stutters? Wha......why? (Still reading slowly and analysing - page 37 atm....if there's a problem on a latter page, which one?) As of last night, Soren was a townread, I know Ras has said he's fallen off, but when I briefly skimmed, I think he's posted since. What's the problem with him? | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:45 prplhz wrote: it just seems to easy to go in here and quote every other post and say "wtf" big text wall on me saying nothing and then jumping on plotspot same with stutters, don't like the way he's going on plotspot. says he wants to make a post, then doesn't and just half arsedly bandwagons. Now I haven't read Soren's latest post, but one thing Palmar had taught me in another game was one townie quality would be knowing how to sheep a good case or when to do so, especially after townie behaviour from the person you're sheeping. I'll see if my thoughts still hold up. On the other hand, it is D1, and most people's reads aren't great on D1. Will get through Soren's latter posting and I'll see if I have a problem with it. | ||
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On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think. One read from Dwarf, and this is pretty much it. Then again all I remember from Stutters IS questions. Hmmm. | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:55 Half the Sky wrote: One read from Dwarf, and this is pretty much it. Then again all I remember from Stutters IS questions. Hmmm. EBWOP - if he hasnt posted anything new that IS scumlike behaviour. | ||
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