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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 20:54 GMT
#3894
here's my list

definitely not:
sicklucker
Vivax
rsoultin
Toadesstern
Onegu
Breshke
raynpelikoneet
Holyflare
Damdred
Eden1892

probably not:
ExO_
Fecalfeast?
Palmar?
Trfel

ehh/maybe:
LightningStrike
Superbia
Fecalfeast?
Palmar?
Artanis[Xp]

sure:
Alakaslam
VisceraEyes

if vigs shoot out of my sure list i'll be happy
if they shoot out of my ehh/maybe list i won't be bothered
if they shoot out of my probably not list i'll be bummed
if they shoot out of my definitely not list i'll be mad
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 20:58 GMT
#3900
On March 22 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
hmmm i'm pretty concerned about breshke

and when I say pretty concerned I mean he's very likely mafia :/

his posting volume is worrying atm but when he's been here i've felt like it's town breshke

why did you have ve as town btw?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:03 GMT
#3910
On March 22 2015 05:58 Vivax wrote:
Can you stop posting wishlists and go into more substantial things cause christmas is long since over and I'm not santa claus.

ya sure

slam is very disconnected from the game which doesn't fit with the "i'm trying to be serious this game" mindset he says he's trying to bring. pretty simple case there.

visceraeyes had a really weird rationale for getting on the toad wagon that didn't really look like a coherent, evolving picture of the game state. i also feel like he's been around a lot without really trying to find mafia and his posting level relative to the thread is right in the "comfortable" range where mafia want to be (active enough to avoid being accused of lurking but not super involved with the thread)
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:05 GMT
#3916
On March 22 2015 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:
On March 22 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
On March 22 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:
HF, what are your thoughts on the two vigi targets for tonight? Do we have them down already?


slam and x


All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia).

I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however.

Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips.

I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR.


eh you're one of those out of sight out of mind players for me; that's why you're one of my filter review dudes

still get weird vibes from superbia but don't think he should be the shot
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:06 GMT
#3919
On March 22 2015 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote:
On March 22 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
hmmm i'm pretty concerned about breshke

and when I say pretty concerned I mean he's very likely mafia :/


I don't know. I felt like he very well may be mafia, but he seemed to have thoughts similar to mine at EoD. I'm not ready to defend him, but idk. His interaction with SL, who I think is scum, seems to indicate possible team mates. Like Breshke flips on SL (town -> mafia) as the wagon on SL comes to a full stop. Breshke is supposed to have the greatest read ever on SL (according to SL) and SL doesn't even give a shit about the flip. Hell, Breshke isn't even interested in getting SL lynched (what did he do to push the lynch?).

So I guess in retrospect he may still be leaning scum. His (sort of) mindmeld at EoD confuses the fuck out of me, though.


sl is definitely town
like 100%

+1
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:13 GMT
#3932
ve is a much better shot than breshke, hf
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:23 GMT
#3944
decent logic on exo there.

vivax who you shootin bruh? slam yeah?

toad who you shootin bruh? ve yeah?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:23 GMT
#3946
On March 22 2015 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
also, i hate large games fml

lol 200 pgs first cycle
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:50 GMT
#3974
On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?

listen to people

shoot slam since vivax hasn't confirmed he will and slam is a good shot
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 21:53 GMT
#3982
On March 22 2015 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:50 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Okay Eden you're the only one I'm trusting right now. I'm not going to shoot VE. Period. Take that as me being serious.
Do I shoot Onegu or do I listen to people?

listen to people

shoot slam since vivax hasn't confirmed he will and slam is a good shot

I spend like 2 hours to write this up and I'm pretty damn sure Onegu is mafia though

what the shit did you even write up
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:08 GMT
#3992
On March 22 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee

what the fuck are you doing
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:09 GMT
#3995
On March 22 2015 07:08 Toadesstern wrote:
The vig is called by name. It's like someone claiming Batman in Arkham city and someone counterclaiming and people are "wait what if we have two fucking batmans"

you guys are horrible

i hear this, but last time i banked on logic like that, blazinghand was ACTUALLY the other jailer

and i don't know the flavor well enough to try to see whether or not there can be 2 drax's
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 21 2015 22:11 GMT
#4000
On March 22 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 07:08 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 22 2015 07:06 sicklucker wrote:
On March 22 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote:
HF isn't dying tonight <3. I have trust in that


Are 9th blue soft yippoeee

what the fuck are you doing


I MEAN HES PROBABLY NOT RLY THE MEDIC I DOUBT DANDREDS THAT DUMB ITS JUST SOME FUN WIFMO

calm

down
bro

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“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 03:54 GMT
#4395
Good luck town. Bout time I was n1'd again
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 04:02 GMT
#4398
Wait. I wasn't n1'd?????

THE DISRESPECT
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 04:02 GMT
#4399
Scum done fucked up this time. Ya boi Eden finna solve this game, TONIGHT
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 04:05 GMT
#4402
Lemme get home first... Crack open a Shiner Bock... Ease into my rocking chair. Then we whoop ass, aite?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 04:07 GMT
#4403
On March 22 2015 13:03 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2015 13:02 Eden1892 wrote:
Wait. I wasn't n1'd?????

THE DISRESPECT

I don't even understand. Did you not read the post and assume? Sounds more like a half-assed fake dumbtell

No of course I read it, that was a brick joke to let people know I'm coming and I'm hype as fuck
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 04:44 GMT
#4408
OK boys, fasten your seat belts. We finna win this game.

The Mason Claims
So first of all, Onegu. Just based off of the fact that Holyflare ran with the masons thing instead of trying to get Onegu lynched, I'm gonna assume HF thought Onegu was town. I'm not very good at meta reading Onegu and he hasn't done much of anything this game to make me think anything of him. I'm cool with sheeping Holyflare here tho. If we have the luxury of an alignment check on Onegu then we can figure it out that way, but tbh if he's legit the mafia will have to NK him as long as we don't collectively go full retard and make him lynchable.

That said we shouldn't 100% believe Onegu's partner claim right now. Onegu already fakeclaimed a partner and he could very well be doing it again for kicks or for strategy or for whatever. Instead we should wait until ray comes back to the thread and confirms or denies that Onegu is his partner. I am reasonably confident he will and this issue will be resolved, but we maximize the value Onegu's able to get out of his play by simply letting this claim resolve itself, as it's soon to do.

The Jailer Claim
When the fuck are y'all just gonna take my word for it? I'm the fucking Prophet of Rsoultin by now. Seriously.

Yes she's the jailer. Yes saving Onegu over Holyflare was silly, and yes doing it because medic dodge is even sillier. But hey, player who's relatively new to the blues side of the game rolls blue and plays suboptimally. Shocking. Film at 11. rsoultin is the real medic.

The Orb
Trfel, I appreciate your enthusiasm and good job catching mafia. But for future reference, in a situation like this, don't disclose that you got and used the orb right away. I understand the impulse and it's definitely from the right place, you think you have something good to share (and in this case you totally did!) and you wanna get it out right away. But you can maximize the value you get from your information, and extend your play to potentially catch mafia, with some reservation. LS is a relatively new player to mafiaside and he's known to have issues with busing his teammates. Imagine what you could have gotten out of pushing him on his reads list all day and then claiming your orb check with ~6 hrs in the day. There's probably a gold mine in that list, but now we gotta mine it ourselves instead of having him mine it for us.

You obviously still did a great job, don't get me wrong, this is just free advice for the next time you end up with an investigative role. Investigative roles are powerful because they represent information the mafia don't have; they reduce the information gap between town and mafia. You don't want to put all your cards on the table until you're reasonably sure you got everything you needed from it.

I would have had more to say on this, but I got the impression LS confessed (I didn't read the actual page(s) where it happened, but I read the leadup and I see people quoting what sounds like a confession). And honestly, there's no excuse for tracking a claimed mason at all, and marginal excuse for checking one. So this was pretty much in the bag. Good job Trfel.

The Vigs
Toad shot VE, Vivax claimed to shoot Slam but was roleblocked. I'm gonna second Artanis's filter/etc. argument on Vivax being town, because it's pretty convincing. Plus Vivax being roleblocked as it's known he was shooting Slam makes perfect sense given my suspicion of Slam. And knowing Vivax is town, mafia Toad is literally never going to counterclaim vig d1 and try to get him lynched. At this point I have no problem believing we have two vigilantes.

continued...
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2015 05:00 GMT
#4411
The Rest



Player List:
1 sicklucker
2 Vivax
3 rsoultin
4 Toadesstern

5 LightningStrike
6 Alakaslam
7 ExO_
9 Onegu
10 Breshke
11 Superbia
12 Fecalfeast
13 Palmar
14 Trfel
15 raynpelikoneet
18 Artanis[Xp]
19 Damdred
20 Eden1892



The first thing I have is that Alakaslam is mafia. This is a pretty easy case I made during the night. Here's the highlights:
  • Alakaslam claimed to be playing a more serious game, but hasn't actually tried very hard to scumhunt or find mafia. The disconnect here is obvious: If Alakaslam is town, and trying to play a serious game, why isn't he actually putting in the work to help his team win? I understand the game is fucking huge and sympathize with him possibly being burned out from the length and difficulty of keeping up, but it's not just that. Inactivity isn't the issue. It's that when he is around, he's not discussing his reads with other people or trying to question any suspects he has. His game has been entirely reactive.
  • The over-defensiveness to start the game. I know, we talked about this and concluded he was maybe leaning town for it. But this gets at the reactive play I was talking about before. He puts up a fight and hardcore OMGUS Holyflare (who we now know is town - not that there was much reason to doubt it) over basically nothing. I just don't think a townie reacts the way he did.
  • The roleblock of Vivax. Contrary to whatever some people's recollections might be (I didn't bother to read to see if this is being objected to, but talking with a slightly adversarial edge is fun), Vivax was pretty clearly down with shooting Slam. He says "MAYBE I'M SHOOTING SLAM. MAYBE I'M NOT. MAYBE HE ANSWERS" after agreeing with HF that Slam was a good shot, Slam doesn't do anything, Vivax discussed no other targets, ezpz.


The second thing I have is that Artanis is town. Artanis's activity level and involvement, especially since around the last 8 or so hours of d1, has really skyrocketed, and I believe it's well outside his normal mafia range. He's a really talented player and certainly capable of playing a good scum game; hell the guy's nominated for Best Mafia Performance for just that in a similarly big game. But he was a lot more background in that game than this one, easily. He's been driving home a lot of good points and coming to a lot of good conclusions. This guy is town.

The third thing I have is that Damdred is town. He's been busting his ass this game with strong analysis in n1, he's been involved and despite not being the loudest voice in the room, generally making sure his reads aren't forgotten and his opinion is heard. This is big because mafia!Damdred is a lot more okay with being a background player. The other thing is his frustration over VE dying. This is a pretty noticeable tendency in Damdred's town game, he gets frustrated when people don't listen to him about his reads and do the opposite of what they would imply. He could fake this frustration as mafia, but you look at how he came back soon afterward and got right back to the grind and that's how you know it's genuine. The boy just won't quit. he's town.

continued...
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