You think (3) really is impossible?

It would basically make the game vanilla w/town RB. Which seems mafiasided given past history of 9-3's. But it doesn't seem impossible...

I think (1) is the least likely. I think Koshi moved around a lot on marv d3 for having a green check, but I can understand it if he basically disregarded the check until a godfather flipped. His reaction with ritoky seemed pretty legit when I factchecked his claim yesterday. And there's the question of necessity... why would mafia!Koshi need to do any of this? He could let everyone believe he is vet and coast to a win. So it's not (1).

(3) basically depends on whether or not you believe a normal 9-3 would have 3 cop-hating roles when town has cop/rb. I do tend to think that's not what happened, but I don't feel confident saying that's not it in the same vein that I did with (1).

(2) ...man, (2) is hard too. I can see the necessity of ray busing JAT. That's not terribly difficult to figure out. ray was on the chopping block for all of d1 and then JAT started getting on the block late, so it makes some sense for ray to bus JAT; whichever one isn't lynched looks better for the push (either ray looks better for pushing mafia or JAT looks better for being the target of lynched mafia's final gambit at survival). But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray. It's still weird, because I don't know why ray would feel the necessity of lynching Onegu there. Maybe he figured Onegu was going down soon and wanted the credit for endgame? It makes sense to make a final bus move at MYLO-1 instead of at MYLO, because people don't expect a bus at MYLO-1, whereas they'll believe anything about MYLO.

I don't feel like I can make a hella convincing case about (2), but it seems like the best shot based on what I said. I don't believe that marv would be the framer or that there would be two godfathers; if I'm entertaining a setup like that then it's prplhz for sure over marv. And Palmar's town case is really fucking convincing. I think he's town.

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Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

March 19 2015 18:57 GMT

#5870

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Sure. If he wants to die first. Let's go.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 19 2015 18:58 GMT

#5871

I don't want to die at all, I think I've been clear about that.

I don't think it's either me OR Palmar at this point, Koshi. Work with me here.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 19 2015 18:58 GMT

#5872

ray was third to switch onto Onegu, after prplhz and before marv. His switch tied the vote but left me as the lynch via modified plurality tiebreaker. Maybe ray thought no one else was willing to move?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

March 19 2015 18:58 GMT

#5873

It's you or Palmar. Quite obviously. If you want to be a jackass. You can die first.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

March 19 2015 19:00 GMT

#5874

But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray.

I can't believe you actually believe this.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

March 19 2015 19:00 GMT

#5875

it is in mafia Eden's best interests for 3 ppl to be on the table

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 19 2015 19:01 GMT

#5876

On March 20 2015 03:58 Koshi wrote:
It's you or Palmar. Quite obviously. If you want to be a jackass. You can die first.

I don't think it's obvious. Why do you? You're apparently completely unconvinced by Palmar's town case, why don't you show me why?

And how am I being a jackass? What would you do differently in my situation? Lynch the obvious target who seems really townie and then shrug your shoulders, get mislynched next day and lose the game for your team?