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On February 20 2015 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: OK, the signups list is updated! Any new players, if you have questions or want to learn more, I recommend you check out the guides linked here. I'm also available for Q&A here in the thread before the game start. I'd expect it'll take a few more days for this game to fill up. /thanks I'll surely check the guides while this starts. | ||
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On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts. | ||
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1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post. 2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is -Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this. 3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose. 4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment. 5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post. If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure! Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. | ||
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Sorry, just realized i didnt end this sentence, so just forget it. Third's comments will prolly add more that I would have done. | ||
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On February 25 2015 02:27 Snarfs wrote: Tronak I hope that answers your question as well. Thanks it does. On February 25 2015 02:27 Snarfs wrote: As for my willingness to follow Yamato against Tormented, let's remember there are 10 town and 3 mafia. My opinion is that of the people talking last night when the game started, maybe only 1 will actually turn out to be mafia, posssssssibly 2, but we need more posts to determine that. Tormented is a better candidate than Damdred, imo. Aha clear also, so both would be possible suspicious for you until now. Just one more than the other. | ||
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On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote: Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please? Actually some points: -He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes. -About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you. - Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia). | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote: I'd lynch Tormented,Damdred,Node,Tronak and SL Why? another post like your first ones to see who reacts? | ||
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On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also want more comments on my case. I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again. | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote: what is it with you people trying to put these crazy motives behind my actions. why would you answer with such an empty question to my simple and legit demand? maybe you thought I was trolling, so I'll rephrase... since you included me in your wannabe lynch list me I would like to know the reasons. | ||
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About my "summary": -I needed it to my self, my questions were honest and hope they contributed. Still waiting for some reactions (Yamato's and Prob's). About my post about you Node: -I wouldnt have written it if Snarfs wouldnt have asked for it and was directed to him. I read town on you, said it 4 of 5 times , I just leaved a possible scummy scenary opened. Scarfs investigation (self explanatory if trusted and I did) and your post about me (I am noob, and I deduce that playing weak, but I think is logic from your side to push me) are enough reasons to think again you are town. | ||
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I cant follow your line of game yet, thank you though that at least now you giving some 4 lines posts to explain your thinking, much better than those rushy posts (was getting lost in there) | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: scum read me if you want i don't give a fuck lol Following Eden's thoughts on Kel with interest and agreeing with her so far. Gonna throw 1 question for you Kel before i go to sleep: 1 - Do you really care about the results of this game or you were persuaded to come make this replacement? | ||
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Thanks for curving the answer. My game is unexperienced. Why should you be so agressive? That makes you feel better? ok, this wont help on anything, so I'll rather hit my pillow. nn | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: As for reads yamato, my schedule has been particularly brutal as of Monday. I'll try to look at stuff after iris tonight. QUOTE]On February 25 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not going to lie, I have zero clue what is going on in thread right now. I don't know who is a suspect, who looks scummy to whom. This hasn't been a particularly productive day so I'm going to attempt to re-read later tonight to see if I pick up on anything.[/QUOTE] <Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one> On February 25 2015 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh. I know I'd never say anything as terrible as 'I don't think you're scum yet' as scum. Trying to work up the motivation to re-read. I probably should too since I won't be around for deadline. Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion. | ||
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On February 25 2015 16:47 Eden1892 wrote: tbh I could lynch yamato for a couple of reasons: (1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy (2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: yamato77 I could jump in this train since Yamato is still suspicious for me. I was hoping Yamato to answer my "summary" post and later reminder. Not sure if he didnt answer because: a) my points could harm him b) my arguments are so "noob" that not worth answering me. However I want also to jump in Yamatos & Sicklucker train and lynch Kelsier for filling 3 pages of rubish in a thread that was taking a good direction (deeper analysis were going on). About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? Finally, trying to follow up a bit the points I opened yesterday here: On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote: After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them: 1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post. 2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is -Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this. 3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose. 4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment. 5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post. If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure! Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. - My initial opinions about Scarfs-Artanis and Yamatos openings were weak as those who have talked about this (Scarfs – Artanis and guess Kelsier in his way) pointed out. I had a fast look on other Mafia games and checked that is true that game openings are full of trollish bullshit (guess no news for the veterans, they were for me though). -Also going to stop, for now, my soft push on Artanis despite he also keeps being suspicious in my newbie thinking since although I can now understand his case on Tormented, I don't buy it. All accussations on Tormented seem weak to me so far, this is a feeling not something very rational. However, I can’t abandon the idea that Artanis may want us to follow a dead line just based on how well timed his case came into the thread. After putting all this toguether, it looks like nobody gonna follow my point and my potential vote on Artanis would be futile, so I decided I’ll gather more and better information in the future. -My actual thinking on other people mentioned in my post: (i) Probulous: a good but unsuccessfull case on Damdred which he abandons, and in general short townie looking good interventions. Can’t read on him. (ii) Damdred: I am know convinced by his own defense and most players opinion that he must be town. -And to add my fresh honest thinkings about the rest: (i) WaveShadow: cant read him other than town so far. (ii) Node: I read him town as explained in previous posts. Scarfs case on him didnt make me change my mind. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning. (iv) The Shining: ( empty ) (v) Eden: I like how she pushes, should be town. (vi) sicklucker: cant read him properly, I think if he keeps being so selective in his appeareances he could enter in my suspicious list easyly. Conclusion: I will wait some more before voting for Yamato or Kelsier based on what others may bring on the table unless something really new appears that makes me change completly my mind. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:46 Damdred wrote: Why is kel even mentioned at the end of your post when he's not in your paragraph really when you caught up on everyone? really weird post Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote: So conclusion is to wait on whoever gets the most traction and then join that wagon? If that would potentially save "any" of my extensive "believed" townies list, yes I would probably join "that wagon with most traction" (assuming the trains goes for Yamatos-Kelsier lynching). If that wouldn't change a thing, I will decide my self in which of those wagons jump in. On February 25 2015 21:44 KelsierSC wrote: Why don't you actually grow a dick and vote someone Beacause I want to give as much value to my vote as possible. No hurry for taking my final decision. | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.' Just in case I don't get back to things ##vote: tronak Can you elaborate please? <AFK 20 mins> I'll catch up with your answer, hoping it comes. | ||
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Again no, and again you or Yamato. | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also Tronak, with how many people suspect Tormented at least some of them have to be town, which means that there is a certain amount of logic on his push that apparently you're not seeing. By his push you refer on his push on Scarfs? or his initial bomb list? Is that the only reason you're suspecting me? My suspect on you, is not based on the target you chosed for your case by it self. Is based on a) I dont feel your arguments are solid enough to read mafia on Tormented b) how your case came in to swtich thread trending. Where would I place between the suspects you have and why? You place in list of suspects is a spot occupied only by yourself, reserved for those of my suspects that no other player are pointing out (not true entirely since Scarfs and Yamato pushed you a bit but none of them voted you). And I'll leave you here by now, hoping that either my opinion changes or I'll find better arguments to keep my suspicion alive knowing my actual arguments are seen as "weak". | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:09 Tronak wrote: About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't understand why you aren't pushing it though since as you've mentioned both Yamato and Snarfs have echoed your suspicions, so I ask my question again. Where do I rank between your other two suspects and can you elaborate on why? I cant push something no one believes (Yamato and Scarfs pointed at you but never supported my arguments) based on apparently "weak" arguments. I think this would only disturb town thinking. You cant be between my other 2 suspects, you are on a side, completly parked for now and by now I mean D1 unless a good case (much better than mine) appears on you. Cant see why you need more elaboration. Please enlighten me if you really need it. While writing this, I am starting to think you are just testing me now, which brings me to think you are town or a very clever mafia player. Since I believe you are clever and skilled enough to overskill me easyly, by the moment I don't want to dedicate much more time on you, since I would rather focus on my strongest suspects and whatever new starts to boil in the thread. | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:08 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis dont worry. People wont vote.on you today so there is no way that tapas will ever vote you Thanks sausage, thats exactly my thinking at the moment. | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:42 Damdred wrote: Tronak why you keep ignoring me What makes you think I'm ignoring you? | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:50 Damdred wrote: i'll keep posting this till you answer probably Firsty, sorry, I missed it everytime until your last reminder (missed 1st and your self quotes tricked me later since I hadnt opened those). Kel is high in my list for these simple reasons: -He trolled and trolled in his opening and following pages = I hate that because doesnt help the thread (same as Kels and Eden's recent SC spam). Why would a town do that? For having fun? What if whole town would join the trolling? In that case I will get lost in unusefull information, not what I expect as townie, neither as a wannabe good mafia student. -I liked Eden push on him last night which by it self was giving enough reasons to put a big "SCUM" warning on Kel's nose. Kel's reaction was again same trollish behauvioir which I cant understand either. | ||
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On February 25 2015 23:51 KelsierSC wrote: tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. This is actually important to me. Tbh sausage, I have about 6-7 hours in front of me to take my decision. I havent read any solid new argumentations to push me one way or the other (Wave believes Yamato is town, Artanis is not sure about him being mafia). Sorry for not being able to help you now. | ||
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On February 26 2015 01:23 KelsierSC wrote: Tapas is anti town/mafia and the only reason I don't want to lynch him is because he is new. that doesnt make sense... Explain to me please, what does being anti town/mafia mean? does it mean my game is so bad that I could only cause confusion to both factions? so I should be a cheap lynch for the town in early days? and mafia will easy shoot me tomorrow? (why could both be "anti" at the same time?). | ||
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On February 26 2015 02:38 KelsierSC wrote: So I think we need to consolidate some shit here. With regards to tapas and torment. They are new it is hard to read them. They probably do stupid stufff out of nerves/being Spanish. So we leave them today. Id say vote between SL,Yamato and me, if you still believe in scummy. If anyone out there has a stronger feeling then please submit it. I gave my case on sl and the cases on yamato from artanis, Eden and myself are quite good. If you vote now it gives us a chance to loook at the votes as they stand and evaluate again. Dont just hold it in Thanks sausage for free shooting on me for whatever reason thats makes you "have fun". Despite you think I am unusefull to town you placed my 2 suspects (Yamato and you) between your 3 suggestions for a vote. Putting yourself between those can only be a sign of your wannabe townie line of play today. | ||
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AFK in 5mins, back in 2-3 hours to revaluate. | ||
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On February 26 2015 02:56 KelsierSC wrote: Lots of people think I'm mafia so I should be someone to consider no? 3 are not lots, lol, you had 2 players voting you before your post and me (the 3) pushing, since I am unusefull for you, you should have considered only 2 people were considering you. Thats not "lots". So again this post and your line of last 5 hours stinks. /afk now will catch up later, gotta leave . | ||
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On February 26 2015 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count Snarfs (4): Node, _Tormented_, Yamato77, Damdred KelsierSC (2): sicklucker, Tronak Damdred (1): Probulous WaveofShadow (1): Eden1892 Yamato77 (1): Artanis[Xp] sicklucker (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (3): Tronak, The Shining, snarfs Currently, snarfs is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Why is that I appear as voting KelsierSC and also as Not Voting? | ||
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On February 26 2015 06:57 KelsierSC wrote: if you people think wave is scummy you should put my balls where your mouth is and vote him. What do you think about Wave? | ||
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Was hoping for you to put some weight in tbh. I am starting to believe in Eden's push on him (sorry Eden if that doesnt permit you close your case on him). | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:31 KelsierSC wrote: if you believe in the push then you can go vote for wave. you already think i'm mafia right so my input shouldn't really be important to you. I am reevaluating and many things are happening in last 2 hours. So I do care about your inputs, I even read with refreshed attention your recent last post about SL after ignoring like your 10 previous ones. | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. /agree I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve. However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented. How can you explain that Snarfs? | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:07 sicklucker wrote: Give it a rest ksc im not mafia and no ones voting me Artanis is online now though, so is a perfect time to resolve KSC questions... | ||
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Reasons: 1) I believe in Eden's case 2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours 3) You haven't made own reads so far. 4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence. | ||
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He answered that saying he didnt mean "tunneling" but "voting". Not that this would help though. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: I wasn't quoting you snarfs. Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis. yet now he's voting wave. I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view nad not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote: Damn you Tronak. We got scum on this wagon people. ?? dont expect me to defend my self now... its 1:00am here, I'm tired, and my child will prolly wake me up in 5hours. So now the push starts on me? Sorry you'll have to wait many hours for me to defend. nn (this is not a retreat just a see you later) | ||
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I will explain my line of arguments that drived me to vote for Wave further (having lunch while I read you, and i'll need some quotes). Meanwhile and to complete your analysis, that I just read and find very interesting and better that your "oh look shoot this scum newbie"), why don't you refresh me why did you vote Wave? aren't you as suspicious as me? I mean you look more suspicious to me at this point (before diving in you filter). | ||
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First, I couldnt have imagined I would need to explain these since I posted my reasons with my vote: On February 26 2015 08:39 Tronak wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow Reasons: 1) I believe in Eden's case 2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours 3) You haven't made own reads so far. 4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence. I go 1 by 1: 1) I believed it, was solid to me and I was trusting Eden reasonings so far and liking her pushes (specially in KSC) (not sure what to think at the moment given the results) . 2) Is related to this: On February 25 2015 19:04 Tronak wrote: I am jumping in almost all players filters... this made me stop: <Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one> Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion. He never answered to me, instead he did this: On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.' Just in case I don't get back to things ##vote: tronak 3) no reads = no help for town. 4) I did wanted to save Snarfs as stated several times. Then we got external reasons I didnt mention to not look more noob that I already do: - KSC was pushing for collapsing votes (I quickly found the utility of this but I hadnt a shit good idea where to jump until Prob voted for Wave) It took me about 30 minutes to put all toguether in a balance and decide thinking I was doing a right thing. Sorry I failed. | ||
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On February 26 2015 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: Hmm..tronak I actually like that post. I'll have to check your filter when I get back home to see if it makes sense but you explained your actions pretty well. The thing I dont understand is you made some reply to artanis saying that you thought snarf was scummy. Like .."I alwabt to learn but there is no way he doesn't remember who you pushed" I cant remember exactly. but then you voted on wave so is it just because you liked the case on wave better. Hmm also Yamato and I.wanted to lynch snarf so that gave you pause. You're probably the T town Lol Kelser thanks for 2 things: your town read on me, and not calling me tapas  .Now to your question: Snarfs been scummy and towny several times to me: his openings were scummy, his investigation on Node for me is towny, his silence during must critic yesterday's hours are scummy, his "I am back and I vote Artanis because nothing plusI like these players and read scum on these others" post can be townie or scummy. I found Artanys defense to this post very solid and agreed, completly (Artanys had in facct tunneled tormented and yamato clearly whole game), however Snarfs fast answer made me think townie of him again. Finally, my suspicious on Artanis are still alive (explained in my wall of text posts and will push more next day probably), so Snarfs suspecting on him was usefull for me too, as long he provides enough reasoning behind his cases in the future. Wave had been all I already explained above, for me was a much better target indeed. And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?. | ||
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AFK 30mins, I'll re-read carefully again when I'm back. | ||
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On February 27 2015 01:54 Snarfs wrote: Tronak, you've said it multiple times, but can you actually explain what you mean when you say you're "learning" from me? Yeah sure, I'mean your game is a good source for me to learn to play this game. Warning: the rest of this post is not related to "this" game just on how I progress as a Mafia student so may want to skip. For instance, from you Snarfs I've learnt: - How to open a game and make people talk without being trollish vs other veterans' opening styles I did not like. - That answering all questions thrown to you is good for: (i) make people read you town and (ii) actually help town since you are giving the information someone requested and that may help him and others. - That brief and direct answers can be a good defense when pushed. - Keeping a neutral "tone" helps the rest understanding the real meaning of your arguments. KSC is my favourite new teacher, he has passed from "What a troll" to "I hate this guy" to "He is scum" to "Damm his pushes are continued and interesting" to "wtf how fast can he keep pushing until the very last second of EOD" to "he is very rational after his bad guy mask". | ||
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On February 19 2015 07:58 Blazinghand wrote: This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen: A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon The mafia will be informed as to which setup is chosen, but the town will not! You guys warned already that town shouldnt be talking about "blue" roles. But is there any interest on us to try to investigate which is the actual "setup"? Or that would only help scums to find our roles? | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If you could be more specific, I'm feeling very lazy today. You were actually VERY lazy (in terms of helping catching mafia) during the most critic hours of this game so far. | ||
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On February 27 2015 03:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I consistently pushed those that I thought were mafia until the end of the day. I don't believe I've been lazy at that time. Completly untrue: -Long 8hours passed since the moment you stopped writing in thread (assuming you pushed until last minute) -You didnt push Yamato or Tormented at all from the moment you came back up to EOD. -And you didnt push Snarfs at all, you defended from his post, read him scum for his weak accusation on you and you voted him. So you dint push anyone at all during your last 10-11hours of D1 game. | ||
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On February 27 2015 04:05 KelsierSC wrote: I'm sort of considering a team where snarf is town and the mafia isnlike Yamato,probulus and node Game might be simpler and snarf is just mafia but I don't think people would be so eager to call him town and get off that lynch if he was mafia. Plausible and interesting, push your theories further please I could buy this one. I read node as town many times at the start of D1, but he dissapearing suddenly... Would Artanis fit as mafia in this line somehow? | ||
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On February 27 2015 05:42 KelsierSC wrote: I actually think yamato was ok end of day. He did put pressure on snarf from what I can see so I don't know why you guys lied about that. I am lost now, who supposedly lied? | ||
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On February 27 2015 06:31 Snarfs wrote: Kelsier: I read this as town realizing too late that it's a lynch between two town. If you're mafia, why do you even bother saying anything at all? I also think town is more likely to contradict themselves. Especially in a scenario where he probably could have just jumped on my lynch given the aforementioned scumread. On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote: Too late for a switch? Who would ask this? you switch or not switch, but don't waste your supposed few time in asking if its too late. It was indeed too late to wagon on me, but it wasn't too late maybe for him to abandon his vote on Wave and shoot me. | ||
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On February 27 2015 06:53 Probulous wrote: Trust me I would have.I was thinking and typing at the same time. I thought there might be an option to switch but realised just trying to convince people you were scrum would take too long. Ok but again, it could take too long but you were already convinced at this point, that I was mafia and Wave was innocent and about to lynched. If you are town and being at this point, why the hell you wouldnt ##unvote Wave ##vote tronak? | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:08 Probulous wrote: Where did I say that? Could have been a day 1 bus. Wtf you asked if there was time to switch? why would you ask if you were not thinking Wave was innocent? | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:11 Probulous wrote: Despite Wave flipping town I would do the same thing if I was in the same position with the same information, switching would have caused all sorts of chaos and probably led to a Snarfs lynch which I was less sure about. Now you give a proper "towny" reason for first time. Not sure if this comes late to me though. | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:13 Probulous wrote: Not really Do you know what "bussing" is? , I may deduce is puting a sheep after sheep on new good case? | ||
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On February 27 2015 07:21 Probulous wrote: ROFL, no bussing is when scum vote their own team. That way when one flips they look town. The problem is that a bus doesn't make sense if Snarfs is town. Of course I didn't realise how all this logic works out at the time of posting. I was sure I had caught a scum and wondered whether I could get people to change. That was why I was so aggressive after the lynch, it felt like a missed opportunity for me. Upon re-read things look different. Thanks for explaining, you have ascended 2 steps on my favourite teacher list So your thought about me being mafia wasn't clear between: a) I could had been bussing Wave b) I could have been lyching town Wave Ok your defense is now at least plausible to me. I'll leave it here, lets see if KSC gets more of you. | ||
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On February 27 2015 05:14 Tronak wrote: Completly untrue: -Long 8hours passed since the moment you stopped writing in thread (assuming you pushed until last minute) -You didnt push Yamato or Tormented at all from the moment you came back up to EOD. -And you didnt push Snarfs at all, you defended from his post, read him scum for his weak accusation on you and you voted him. So you dint push anyone at all during your last 10-11hours of D1 game. | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can't believe Mafia didn't shoot me, they're going to regret it. You came and asked for questions before night ends. Since today you have been "very lazy" I was actually expecting some new analysis coming from you before night ended. I hope you day play changes, a lot! and besides tunneling Tormented and Snarfs you provide much more in depth analysis on what have happened in the almost last 33hours. | ||
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On February 27 2015 09:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If I'm right on both Tormented and Snarfs then all I need to do is to get town to actually listen to me. Have you considered that possibility? No, I would rather see you incoming in other townies discussions, giving in depth analysis, and providing much more information. At any case, my time to sleep. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:29 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not scum though. Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies, how can you think he did that as scum? Hi, nice meeting you. Your statement is completly false, prove it if you can. Now, as repacement, I expect you to do your homework. Read the ton of of pages and give us your conclusions before (or after) AFKing into another game. | ||
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On February 27 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: replacing in this late is fucking stupid, skims the thread and will give shit reads. i don't really give a fuck anymore Please do not abandon. Keep it up. | ||
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On February 27 2015 15:40 yamato77 wrote: you softed blue it's terrible I'm not going to put in more effort than this Please do not stop efforts, keep it up too. We got 2 towns losses to recover from... | ||
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Hint for the replacement: gave my reasons on several previous posts, read if you interested, the rest should know already. | ||
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On February 27 2015 16:59 Tronak wrote: Gonna be busy some hours, meanwhile ##VOTE: Artanis[Xp] Hint for the replacement: gave my reasons on several previous posts, read if you interested, the rest should know already. Forgot bolds ##VOTE: Artanis[Xp] | ||
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On February 27 2015 16:59 Snarfs wrote: Keep pushing them Tronak. 2 town losses at this point is about 75% of games according to those stats from the beginning so don't feel discouraged. What do you think of the shining at this point? Null on Shining at the moment. I'll have a look later on, gotta go now. I'll answer that. | ||
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On February 27 2015 16:59 Snarfs wrote: Keep pushing them Tronak. 2 town losses at this point is about 75% of games according to those stats from the beginning so don't feel discouraged. What do you think of the shining at this point? About TheShining after jumping 10mins in his filter: -He arrives terribly late because he forgot his tablet at work. 2 questions for TheShining: 1) Shining can't you play from another technology at your house? 2) Why didn't you play from work as you have recently made? -A pretty big proportion of his posts are useless for the game. I am refering to: 1) those related his presentation. 2) his apologies for coming back late into the game, the comunication of his progress of pages readed and comments on closed cases like Prob's case on Damdred all over in the midle of last 2 hours of EOD without adding a single usefull thing. 3) other spamm like: I am playing this other mafia game (I dont care at all what else you playing or how it goes) or I'm playing League of Legends. 4) his emotional posts with KSC (Iit happened the same to me, however this is my first game, is his 4th). -Then he puts this post comes in: On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote: Probulous - town lean Artanis - scummy SL - null(I have a post addressing this) Tronak - null Yamato - suspicious, leaning scum Tormented - town lean Shining - town Eden - null Snarfs - town HTS/Kelsier - had HTS as suspicious, Kels play has me back towards town lean Node/Fecal - was scum, back to null Which brings me the following: 1) A scum read for lazyness on Fecalfeast. Fecalfeast we still waiting you do you homework and publish your own analysis of the previous 70 pages before you replaced, meanwhile your posts are useless. 2) About my reading on Shining for his list: clearly scummy. -He enters the wagon on Artanis lynch (mafia could do this at this time of D2 even if Artanis is mafia as I believe so far) -Reads town on Prob/Tormented/Kelsier/Scarf. -Nulls on Eden, SL and me (why?) havent we given enough information to actually town or scum us? Conclusion: right now I would be happy lyching him as part of scum team. /thank Snarfs for asking me my opinion in this pearl (I would have skipped him many more hours). What do you think on him? | ||
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Ok just 2 things, I must leave for a dinner with friends in some minutes: 1-Answering Shining- Shining my reads may be weak (this is my 1st game ever in case you didnt noticed yet: read the thread  ), now instead of being fully emotional on your defense, relax and keep defending, no problem.On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote: Tronak good job on that conclusion. Too bad you have no vote up and even said in your post you wouldn't have looked at me for hours if Snarfs hadn't pushed you. If you're happy lynching me as scum team, why aren't you? Man up. What I see is someone soft pushing for a temperature check in the thread and seeing if my lynch will gain traction. Artanys been in my suspect list before any you even looked at him, I am voting Artanys, I wont change unless he shows me he is town. (Read the thread )On February 28 2015 04:10 The Shining wrote: Oh and where did I join the Artanis wagon? On February 27 2015 12:46 The Shining wrote: Artanis - scummy (Read your own posts )On February 28 2015 03:50 The Shining wrote: And I was ASKED by FF for that list post, I'm not a fan of those but meh. I saw no reason not to. And again, read the thread. SL I moved to town. Eden I'm town leaning but I'm really having fun watching her reaction to me being evasive about it. You, I feel can be scum especially after such a horrible post and I saw both scum and town points in your filter. And I don't necessarily read ppl I've never interacted with. Gotta admit I missed your read changings, you should have updated your list or dont throw spamm in your game. At any case this was a good point for you and a -1 for me. Will be happy to interchange more words with you tomorrow if needed. 2 On February 28 2015 03:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll be around in like 2.5 hours. Can we have a big party here with everyone then? I wont be able to be there in 2,5hours ( I wish), neither on 3 or 4, maybe on 5 for a very short time before hitting bed. | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:22 Fecalfeast wrote: Going through your filter I saw this post I had missed before. I don't understand what you want me to prove here. "Is node new to the game? He was more active and elaborate than most new townies" This is what I want you to prove. Moreover since you are not willing to read the thread and catch up... (scummy) Now since you havent write the name Artanis in any of your posts so far. Whats your analysis and which are your reads after jumping in Artanis filter? I would appreciate if you could look it in deep and give your veteran thoughts. If you gonna tell me you havent jumped in Artanis yet after having 4-5 votes on him I am gonna tell you again that you are being extremly lazyscum. | ||
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On February 28 2015 06:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh hai. Planned session is discontinued. Normally Capoeira gives me energy, but today it was actually exhausting. Would recommend the sport though, it feels pretty great. However, I'll tell you the plan for tomorrow. Everyone votes for me and that doesn't change unless I become a universal townread. We treat me as green and start bouncing reads back and forth on the rest of all the players. We don't discuss whether we lynch me or not unless EVERYONE thinks I'm town. If I'm mafia, it's all wifom but no harm done. If I'm town, you'll have a lot of good reads from someone who is now confirmed town. Sound good? Oh hai. I'm gonna add +12hours to you already 33h hours, summing up 45hours wasted in this game to provide us: (i) a tunnel on tormented (ii) a yamato scan (iii) a scum read on Snarfs. I am tired your "Ask me questions I'm gonna apply the best logic you guys can follow" instead of actively contributing on helping resolve the crossfires we are mantaining. | ||
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On February 28 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: Artanis is town Hi exfavouritenewteacher, to use one of your sentences: On February 27 2015 06:43 KelsierSC wrote: woo woo chill out bro let him answer for himself We owes us. | ||
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-Artanis (how did saturday started in the Netherlands, good to practice Capoira? or you willing to help us on this game?) -Fecalfeast (still waiting your analysis on Artanys' filter, kk thanks) -TheShining (my eyes are not on you now, I'll be happy to talk with you further though) Now I also expect more debate from: -Yamato (plz )On February 26 2015 00:00 yamato77 wrote: I told you guys eden/snarfs +1 On February 26 2015 00:01 yamato77 wrote: I'm going to NAIL THESE GUYS when I get home from the bar and then when I get NKd you sheep me in my memory and lynch the fuck out of them Did this ever happened? I mean Yamato, your inputs been very few lately. Ok you wanna lynch SL for slacking on keeping silence about blue roles. I cant read scum, but would you plz. help us resolve other cases somehow? -KSC: I understand your reasonings = FF = useless lets lynch him and move on. They seem kinda too "easy" to me though, keep it up please. | ||
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On February 27 2015 04:03 Eden1892 wrote: Something about Artanis's reply to my question didn't feel right but I can't follow up rn on mobile. Promise I will before I'm nightkilled What were you thinking about Artanis's reply at this moment Eden? same as I used just later or...? | ||
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On February 27 2015 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Snarfs still second. After that I'm not sure, there's still a few people I need to reread but I'll have plenty of time for that tomorrow. Tomorrow arrived yesterday, now is after tomorrow and you gave us zero input so far. Stop your bullshit. | ||
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. .. ... Snarfs can you give me your best read of Node/FF please? | ||
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I keep being anxious to read: what FF gotta say, Snarfs' read on FF, Yamato inputs, wtf I would like this thread alive before EOD. | ||
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On March 01 2015 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote: So to you I am the most likely scum because I haven't dome what you told me to do? Nice Most likely because you havent done anything. | ||
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On March 01 2015 03:45 _Tormented_ wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2015 03:33 Tronak wrote: ##unvote ##vote Fecalfeast Are you not sure on Artanis or just more sure on Nodefeast? Already explained (top post in this page) You asking this to Mr. newbie, I lack reading skills. However, I'll try to re-explain... I've been asking for Artamis to give us inputs (other than single tunnel you+some reads when asked for) during days, instead in my opinion he stopped playing as town 72hours ago. However, he based his inactivity on OOG reasons ("I am feeling lazy" "I am tired I've been in Capoira" "Flew"). I got no hurry to lynch him and dont care at all if he is actually lynched tonight, will be happy to do it if he doesnt contribute next night/d3. FF been in for 36hours after Node was out another 36. He has given 0 inputs to me so far. He hasnt explained his vote on Artanis and Prob's case on him is pretty good + KSC looks sure +Damdred also had him in his list (as well as Artanis) if I remember well. | ||
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On March 01 2015 04:03 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh you want my read on him now? I haven't dived his filter and have only looked at him in relation to artanis. Let me check. I actually don't know when deadline is, I will also check that since people in this game see laziness as a scum trait. Have you already dived in Artanis filter? | ||
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On March 01 2015 04:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Yep, and since you've been so adamant about a detailed analysis I will no longer be posting an analysis. Feel free to ask questions though! been inflexible? sorry then.. I had to push you to do things as the one you just did: your analysis about Tormented. Which I liked a lot gotta say. What happens if we lynch Artanis being the player that has tunneled Tormented whole game? | ||
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On March 01 2015 05:52 The Shining wrote: So Artanis is set to be lynched right now. What happened to this Tronak that has been suspicious of Artanis "before everyone" except maybe Tormented? He just sheeped a Prob case onto FF(to get off the Artanis mislynch?) after saying he won't change unless Artanis shows he is town. Has Artanis done this, Tronak? Artanis has done shit nothing. If no one wagons FFs and since FF has started to contribute to the game, I'll happily switch again into Artanis wagon, which remember I've been pushing for 48h don't make me look scum for abandoning it. Read the thread ...On March 01 2015 03:29 Tronak wrote: Thanks for those inputs Prob. I could easyly switch my vote into FF, let Artanis defend without flew, and lynch him if nothing changes in 72hours. However I already gave him 72 hours and hit inputs are null other than we already know. I keep being anxious to read: what FF gotta say, Snarfs' read on FF, Yamato inputs, wtf I would like this thread alive before EOD. At this point FF refused to make an analysis on Artanis. Therefore I lynched him. | ||
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Can you guys tell me how you guys read Artanys "I have Few" post? | ||
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Answering both, will help me decide. Meanwhile and to be consistent with my last post: ##unvote | ||
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On February 28 2015 20:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I'm really sorry but I actually managed to catch a flu last night and I feel like shit. And before you say it, I never lie about OOG excuses. Never have, never will. I don't see any way I'm not getting lynched today, all I ask you is that once I flip green is to look heavily into Tormented. I really think I'm onto something here and once my flip confirms my read as genuine, this should really cause some alarm bells to go off because I'm rarely wrong about these things. I'll try to be around here and there but I can make no promises. ##Vote _Tormented_ Can anyone give me his experienced opinion? Would Artanys use his "flu" in his /afk prelynch defense? How do you read the rest? | ||
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On March 01 2015 06:38 Eden1892 wrote: he's very probably telling the truth and it means nothing about his alignment Ok I thought the same. Anyone else agree? And to those who have played with him before. Would he do this? | ||
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Since the start of the game I felt Artanis was treated by most players as a pro player. This was confirmed by 2 things: 1- Every time he was asked questions about others? he would answer giving some "free" (if he is mafia) reads who no one questioned. But actually only me (a bit of Snarfs, Deamdred and finally Eden) pushed him directly. 2- Snarfs posted a damm long list of his games. If was in his position and about to be lynched I wouldnt post that "flu" excuse (which I want to believe). This will be recorded in his meta forever. Therefore my question? do you think this is "normal" in him? | ||
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On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote: OK, Tronak. The haste with which you switched your vote was just odd to me and the tone with which you just defended yourself seems...well, overly defensive. Did me telling you to read the thread that one time get to you that much? I mean, I did say in my last post that you were sheeping Prob onto FF. But you said you wouldn't move off of Artanis unless he showed he was town. You moved off of him so I needed to see if you thought Artanis was town or not. You moving off the wagon you claim to have started because he hasn't offered us anything to a guy who is here and doing something before EoD doesn't line up. And it might just be wording but "easily" being willing to switch off of your main wagon to another just doesn't fit the tone you've had regarding Artanis. About my "tone". After 15hours waiting for debate on FF and Artanis and while I was reading Kelser's filter (damm long). I come back i find 3 people asking/pushing me about my swtich. About why I swtiched so "easy": Prob's case looks good and by switching I wanted to push FF (and looks worked a bit, as he gave a full scan on Tormented). If we lynch Artanis and he flippes to be town. This could be very usefull. On March 01 2015 07:17 The Shining wrote: That being said, I really am thinking we should give Artanis a chance here. There are quite a few players who had much more content and posts D1 as opposed to now. Artanis, yamato, Snarfs, Kelsier are names that come to mind as driving forces D1 and almost non existent D2. And if that is alignment indicative, I'm really bad at this game because there are four names there. Artanys case is not based only by my arguments (Snarf's put some others on the table you may want to refresh). I would only switch for FF at this moment. Unless a really really good case appears. | ||
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On March 01 2015 07:18 Snarfs wrote: Out of game teaching moment: Really don't think much of it. As far as I'm aware people around here don't make up out of game excuses for either faction. if he feels like ass then maybe he's not gonna care too much about this game either way. Be lenient on people when they have valid reasons and try to judge them based on other characteristics. Ok, thanks. On March 01 2015 07:18 Snarfs wrote: Back in game: Can you give some examples of the free reads he's been giving? Because that is an alignment indicator and the main reason I think he's mafia and it seems others do as well is because he hasn't been giving out free reads. He read "town" on me because of what he calls "my genuine paranoia". I never gave importance for his alignment since during D1 I've been seen as the "useless noob" so if he has to give a free read I am a good one to give for free. I think he has a "few" more, gonna bring them from his filter. | ||
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On February 25 2015 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reading through I'm pretty sure Eden is town. Case on Tormented then backing away from it based on reflection plus his response to Yamato felt really townie. | ||
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On February 26 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, Damdred is probably town. His explanation makes sense, he just worded one post poorly. | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. | ||
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Well I lost the focus. Back to the point... ##vote Artanis[Xp] Now... may I have reads on FF? (I asked you a couple of times Snarfs, I asked you too Shining). | ||
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On March 01 2015 07:53 Snarfs wrote: And what was the general thread feeling towards those people at the time? About me, Tronak: I was being read townie/scummy/null not a clear trend. About Damdred: was clearly town for most since Prob's had refused his case already. About Eden: guess townie for most (not sure). About Snarfs: you were about to be lynched lol. Btw I didnt mentioned Tormented/Yamato on purpose they were discussed many times already. So hope you guys know what Artanis posted about them. If not jump in his filter. | ||
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On March 01 2015 08:24 KelsierSC wrote: Damdred had list of scum Right people get lynched Artanis is town So node is mafia. On February 27 2015 03:12 Damdred wrote: Well right now here sums it up town: damdred yamato Kel Eden snar prob (rereading) Tormented nullish town Shining Tron Scum Sl Node Art Obviously you think I will be wrong on you so who am I really really reading wrongly on. is all of my scum team incorrect to you? | ||
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On March 01 2015 08:38 KelsierSC wrote: Let me explain to you tronak one more time. People who are right get lynched. But damdred is wrong on artanis. So he was probably right on node. So node/ff is scum No need to explain me, I would jump in FFs wagon easyly (dont wait until last minute because I'm damm slow typing english) Now you have had 48h to actively defend Artanis and you could have come here to push FF as I encouraged you to do. Now dont hurry me, explain your points so we can understand you. | ||
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On March 01 2015 08:47 sicklucker wrote: Artanis isint even voting to save himself I see no reason we should I thought in that already, he actually voting to save him self. He votes his tunneled Tormented the one possible switch he could expect if we considered Artanis town. | ||
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On March 01 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote: Do what you want Done with this game. Hoping you dont. | ||
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On March 01 2015 09:03 yamato77 wrote: prob/sl/snarfs pick 2 At this moment I have to save Snarfs (Artanis' 2nd target) = And I chose 5 KSC/probs/sl/FF/Shining the rest are still somehow in my paranoia, gotta think further though. 1am here, I'll read you tomorrow. | ||
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Thanks Eden for your case on Yamato. Looking forward to look it in detail tomorrow. I read scum on Yamato most of D1, his "DONT LYNCH WAVE" drama just before Wave flipped town made me change my mind though (acting? could be). Then, it is true that yesterday he pushed Artanis lynch more than any other during last hour, however he didn't gave any own explanations, bussing? could be, never seen one. Now, to resume my actual ideas: If I was Vig: I would shoot FF, no doubt. Despite I read Node as scum during early game. FF has made no effort (other than giving a full scan on tormented). He refused to explain his vote on Artanis (not sure if he actually gave any reason) so bussing is more viable here. If he flips town, we lose a lazy town = not a big lose. Could use similar reasoning on SL. If I was Cop: I would check on Kelser. If he flips town I would still push him tomorrow until i would discard (Godfather option). Why? Because of his spamm when he replaced, because of his lack of answer on some questions, because his lack of explanations on a lie or miss I catched him doing on me "When he said I had said I liked to lynch Snarfs" on late D1/EarlyN1). Because he was pushing for a switch last night. Because I thought he was veteran and someone posted he had 6 games only on his Mafia career. SL>Prob>Shining would be my next targets to check, maybe Yamato to help solving tonights dilema. | ||
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On March 02 2015 05:34 Eden1892 wrote: Good question. I really need to see more production from him. The more time passes without it the more I start to think he should be scanned Well he looked town but Prob actually made 3 big errors in only 2 days: 1) Case on Damdred -> he cancelled later. However if not mistaken Yamato and specially Artanis introduced Tormentors case, while case on Damdred was still open (should check for accurity). Since Artanis turned mafia, I dont think mafia would introduce 2 different false cases at same time (would they?). So Prob should be town at this moment. 2) Pushing up your wrong case/wagon on Wave -> not alignment indicative as long Snarfs remains as town in my eyes. But it was a good place to jump in as mafia in the town-town scenary. 3) Afk vote on FF yesterday 20 minutes later of Artanis "I have flu" post. He left a very good case behind before doing this though (could this have been last bullet to save Mafia Artanis?). | ||
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Tbh, with Shining busy almost whole D1, HsT afk and replaced by a trolly Kelser (during some hours), Node afk and replaced by lazy FF, and Artanis AFK preparing a plan while practicing Capoira. Mafia has had very good cover to work slow and plan any bussing, wifom scenaries. So I "feel" (these are not rational arguments = Kelser you may skip them) 3 things right now: -At least 1 Mafia must be between the replacements group+Shining. -Any of my actual towns reads could be mafia. I know this is a damm scummy comment and sorry if this expands my "genuine paranoia" (quoting Artanys again) on you guys, but this is how I feel so the more people participates giving reads and putting up alternative cases, the more chances I am not going to place a vote on them. -I could buy any good case, so lets put the efforts to bring them on the table tomorrow and lets analize our "scummy" reads in depth. (I wrote both posts ^^ toguether, posting one after another since not necessary related). | ||
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On March 02 2015 06:17 Fecalfeast wrote: So wait, Tronak, your idea is that I bussed artanis? That's what makes me a good vig shot? Calling me a lazy town even though I put in work? What about the fact that artanis was scumreading me? It would make more sense to call me town for a bullshit reason that looks like TMI when he flips mafia. Or was this also a bus? What a good mafia plan. IDK, I just don't think vig should waste a shot shooting into someone who has NO REAL SCUM CASE ON HIM. Unless someone can show me how prob's case is based on real life and not speculation and assumption, the only reasons for calling me scum I have seen are: "He is lazy" and "I read node as scum" I hate people trying to call the vig's shot. Artanys NEVER scum read you actively. You are so lazy that in the case you were mafia I'm pretty sure I know better than you which reads your mafia collegue Artanis gave us, and between those was NEVER a scum read on you. Dont bring me his last post, I can clean my ass tonight with it, before believing most of it and being pretty sure he put some Wifom in there, meaning we throw it in the trash bin, I dont plan to play Artanys game. | ||
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you want me play Artanys last-post game? I want you dead tonight, and if not i want you lynched on D3. Clear as water. | ||
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On March 02 2015 06:54 Fecalfeast wrote: To me you are saying: "I want a town player to die" Do you wonder why I gloss over your posts? You act like a disgruntled schoolteacher No, I actually I wonder why: - you refused to read the thread and just jump in filters. - you chosed to jump in Artanis filter after Snarfs and others filters. - you chosed to analyze Tormented. - you voted Artanis. - you refused to analyze Artanis and give us your feedback. - you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post. - you lied while trying to trick me. Mmm let me correct my self: I dont wonder anymore. | ||
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On March 02 2015 07:07 Fecalfeast wrote: -Reading the thread after already reading it from an outsider's persepective is boring. Filters allow me to get reads on people. -Artanis was a topic of discussion at the time -Artanis asked me to, bear in mind at this point he was not confirmed scum. -I got scummy feelings from his filter and was partially sheeping eden -I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do. -Explain the trick I pulled as I did not intend to do anything of the sort. -Also explain -I would have done as replacement. -I was meaning why didnt you chosed him first since he had 4-5 voted already on him? Instead you wasted your lazy time in other filters. -So you come into a game. A player has 5 votes on him. He asks you to read Tormented's filter (can you quote that? I cant remember Artanis asking you to do that) and you go and follow it before actually giving an analysis about Artanis. -Ok so you sheeped (or buss) "- you just tried to trick me bringing up Artanis last post." What exactly do you want me to explain about this sentence. The trick you pulled was saying that Artanis was reading scummy. Lol, Artanis NEVER read you scummy (here is your lie) until his last post (exactly 2 mins before being lynched). And you quote that post trying us to play Artanis game. Enough of your bullshit, if you want to make something usefull focus on the cases we got opened at the moment (and if you dont know them go read previous pages instead of bugging me). | ||
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My Scums: FF My scummy: you, SL, Shining, Prob My townie: the rest atm Hitting my pillow now, read you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Whats your opinion on what happened in thread's page 89? Can you give me your read too Eden? | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:35 sicklucker wrote: Was anyone roleblocked today? Its really important I was not. | ||
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On March 02 2015 18:35 The Shining wrote: Would scum goon Artanis vote scum Godfather FF to save himself? I toyed with that possibility. It explains his unwillingness to defend himself and shift off his wagon to save himself. I certainly can't follow why Artanis and FF can't be mafia toguether. | ||
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1)-Artanis started D2 knowing he was going to be lynched already. He had Eden, Snarfs, Tormented, me and lately SL on him. No way he could escape. He already mentioned that in his "I have flu" post. So in this scenary he can only have 1 possible switch town would believe: "tormented", if we, during D2 arrived to believe Artanis was town, Tormented was "best" target for a switch that would save him. So, in this same "flu" post (and his last post) he reminds us this. 2) FeacalFeast comes into the game: - If he is mafia, he finds Artanis afk in "flu", Node afked early therefore without (maybe) leaving him a plan to follow. Then we got Kelser claiming he will /afk vote FF (just for being a replacement) and Yamato claiming he will /afk SL (for saying he had been roleblocked). So if FF is mafia, is very easy for him to chose to buss Artanis, he hasnt a better plan, so he starts building it by following Artanis scum reads... jumping on Snarfs filter (why??), jumping in Tormented's filter (why? because Artanis asked him he says - Artanis never asked him to do this - and since he cant build a case by himself to "save" Artanis he decides to "buss" Artanis without giving any reason of his vote until today and refusing to build an analysis. - If he is town his excuse is that he is "lazy". Why does he bring us Artanis last post and tries me to play around it? (his excuse is that "it was unintentionally") So Prob + FF scenary is totally plausible IF Node played a good mafia, enough to look as towny for us. FF still havent given any reason for me took him as town. Looking forward to get more from him though. Prob+Kel, Kel+FF, are also valid scenaries. (I could include you Shining easyly in my paranoias too). | ||
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His line of thinking is very towny but his reads were: 1 -"Snarf is mafia" 2 - "Deamdred you look scum" 3 - "Tronak you look scum" (because of my "summary" post which was pointing at Snarfs-Artanis-Yamato) 4 - Talking to Eden "And if you'd be willing to call Tronak scum based on what we've seen so far, be my guest. I'm not. My hope is that he'll see the pressure and step up to the plate, but if he doesn't, well, my vote can certainly be changed." 5 - On February 25 2015 11:16 Node wrote: Snarfs has nothing to lose by "concluding" that I'm town if he is mafia, so my vote remains unchanged. But I like to see actual analysis, and more of it on other people is likely to sway me. With Damdred and Snarfs being town and knowing I am town. I have to change my mind completly about Node and read him as scum before going afk (26hours after game started if not mistaken). So again, I'm pretty sure Fecalfeast is now more scummy than ever for me. | ||
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On March 02 2015 07:07 Fecalfeast wrote: -I refused to give you a detailed analysis on his filter as you have been really getting on my nerves this game. I even told you to ask me questions which you did not do. On March 01 2015 04:36 Tronak wrote: been inflexible? sorry then.. I had to push you to do things as the one you just did: your analysis about Tormented. Which I liked a lot gotta say. What happens if we lynch Artanis being the player that has tunneled Tormented whole game? I this a legit question FF or your "lazyness" made you skip it "unintentionally" too? Guys, common, I want to read Prob too, but this guy is so mafia than he even is a bad player as mafia. Lets lynch him! | ||
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On March 03 2015 01:20 _Tormented_ wrote: ##Kill Probulous I have a really hard time buying that both prob AND ff are scum. I hope you tried at least. I just read Prob's filter and damm weird/scummy on D2 but up to D1 EOD looks townier than Node to me. Btw... ##vote is the correct format for your ##kill | ||
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How come you can't defend your self if you wanna be town? You could start by answering last question I asked you: On March 02 2015 23:35 Tronak wrote: And just catched another of his lies on page 89: Is this a legit question FF or your "lazyness" made you skip it "unintentionally" too? Guys, common, I want to read Prob too, but this guy is so mafia than he even is a bad player as mafia. Lets lynch him! Now about Probulous, I didnt want to make this work for you but since are sooooo lazy: On March 01 2015 09:14 Tronak wrote: EDIT: At this moment I have to save Snarfs (Artanis' 2nd target) = And I chose 5 KSC/probs/sl/FF/Shining THESE are still somehow in my paranoia, gotta think further though. On March 02 2015 04:50 Tronak wrote: SL>Prob>Shining would be my next targets to check, maybe Yamato to help solving tonights dilema. On March 02 2015 06:33 Tronak wrote: Well he looked town but Prob actually made 3 big errors in only 2 days: 1) Case on Damdred -> he cancelled later. However if not mistaken Yamato and specially Artanis introduced Tormentors case, while case on Damdred was still open (should check for accurity). Since Artanis turned mafia, I dont think mafia would introduce 2 different false cases at same time (would they?). So Prob should be town at this moment. 2) Pushing up your wrong case/wagon on Wave -> not alignment indicative as long Snarfs remains as town in my eyes. But it was a good place to jump in as mafia in the town-town scenary. 3) Afk vote on FF yesterday 20 minutes later of Artanis "I have flu" post. He left a very good case behind before doing this though (could this have been last bullet to save Mafia Artanis?). On March 02 2015 09:18 Tronak wrote: Hi Onegu, catch up as fast as you, I'll be looking forward to get ur reads. My Scums: FF My scummy: you, SL, Shining, Prob My townie: the rest atm Hitting my pillow now, read you guys tomorrow. On March 02 2015 21:20 Tronak wrote: So Prob + FF scenary is totally plausible IF Node played a good mafia, enough to look as towny for us. FF still havent given any reason for me took him as town. Looking forward to get more from him though. Prob+Kel, Kel+FF, are also valid scenaries. (I could include you Shining easyly in my paranoias too). Do you need more reads from me on Prob? This is my scum ranking atm: FF: ***** Prob + Onegu: *** Shining/SL: * Now you may want to defend your self or give us real inputs since you refused to do any real read and just sheep Eden/Yamato and spit lies all around. | ||
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Ok, so Probulous will be lynched, not going to disagree on that unless he shows up and reverses by himself the situation. I gonna leave my vote on FF for the record though since I am still convinced he is mafia, he could be mafia with Artanis and he can be mafia with Prob. And for the record again: I wont be here at the end of N3 (last hour), and first 22hours of D4 (got a business trip that will keep me pretty busy and without proper internet connection most of the time). | ||
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Fecal Feast Flames while Failing Figuring Feasible Flipsides Look, I'll rather be looked as toxic before giving up analyzing on what I think are plausible options. You gave up since the moment you started playing, you started lying, gave up explaining your votes and you yesterday gave up defending yourself. I hope Probs turns mafia, otherwise I'll have not many options other than push again for lynching you on D4 (quite boring tbh). | ||
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On March 04 2015 03:28 yamato77 wrote: even if he's town, lynching the modkill is a good play here Yeah agree, we dont lose anything, just a possible scum fleeing. | ||
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-Cheers on the lynch! Another one bites the dust! -Good play Tormented. 1) Prob "tried" to save Artanys pointing at FF with Kelser/Onegu's tunnel help, in fact Kelser's tunnel (something like "oh you are a replacement you gonna be lynched!!") on FF came before Prob's case on FF. 2) FF you are town to my eyes as long Onegu remains guilty, however I wanna understand why you have never actively defended your self. Should check for accurity, no time now, if you defended from Prob's case on you, you actually tried with me, making so many mistakes... 3) Shining and SL become a "bit" more towny to my eyes with the lynch, so same should apply. 4) Eden Godfather is an option. 5) Yamato/Tormented must remain town in my brain or it would explote. TLDR: By now I would ##vote Kelser/Onegu. | ||
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On March 04 2015 10:18 sicklucker wrote: So to explain to the newer players. Since roleblock is missing that means mafia did it on the person they nked. Because if you roleblock and kill a person then the veteran powers do not work. So thats how I know its a vet/cop setup I dont understand can you please explain that again? | ||
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On March 04 2015 10:50 Tronak wrote: I dont understand can you please explain that again? Oh you calling it on an hypothetical situation that cant happen anymore?. | ||
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1) Give any possible scum feedback in Kelser/Onegu's filters. 2) SL & Shining same for them as long i have enough time. -FF and Eden, I will ignore while Kelser/Onegu is scum. 3) Prepare my business trip before vanishing from game for about 23h starting from 1h before N3 ends. Before doing that and to not ignore the posts above this one: -Thanks FF for explaining the roleblock thing better than SL could by himself. I understand now. -No I'm not mafia, if you or anyone need my explanation of why I switched from tunneling pushing Artanis into FF and back to Artanis you will find it in pages 4,5 and 6 of my filter (Shining pushed me about it at the end of D2). | ||
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HtS: 1)-Her first read of the game = Prob is probable town. On February 24 2015 10:18 Half the Sky wrote: In any case, as far as Prob being serious...I don't know him. I don't know whether people played more serious back in the day, assuming he's another old timer. He's serious but he's not stiff. I don't sense any discomfort in his posts. He seems assertive/comfortable from what I read of his posts so he's probably town. 2) Tone reads about Artanis and Eden being "laid back". 3) Last post: Yamato is scummy On February 24 2015 11:07 Half the Sky wrote: Yamato is coming off elusive so far. He seems scummy. Not answering the question. The disappearance, the reappearance. And then these last few posts. Elusive. 4) Then she AFK and is replaced by Kelser. TLDR "HtS": with me assuming Yamato is town and Prob being mafia = she can perfectly be scum. I'll continue with Kelser | ||
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1) Opening: give me time and trolling 2) First reads: On February 25 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote: I'd lynch Tormented,Damdred,Node,Tronak and SL 3) Followed by: On February 25 2015 06:15 KelsierSC wrote: ##vote sicklucker On February 25 2015 06:31 KelsierSC wrote: did I say that, wow my memory is terrible. SL felt like mafia then he made some fucking terrible post so I voted him. He refusing to explain more atm. 4) 2nd read: Damdred feels like mafia 5) 3rd read: prob and snarf are ok but I wont explain why On February 25 2015 07:00 KelsierSC wrote: prob and snarf seemed ok When asked why by Damdred he answers: On February 25 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote: ??? super scummy answeri don't have reads on everyone in the game. 6) Then SL and me ask him why are we scum in his eyes, answer: he doesnt like my "summary" post and SL posts are shit. 7) He suddenly reads town on Node On February 25 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote: that post from node is really good he/she is town. For a single post: On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote: We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day. And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far. "Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town." "Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia." Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious. This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town) 8) ##unvotes SL 9) Then says he wouldn't lynch Tronak or Tormented because we are "new". 10) Then reads scum on Eden: On February 25 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote: I get the same impression of him, a lot of his play seems , opportunistic. His post about node was just "you called him mafia, but you did the same thing" I didn't really like that at all. I'm looking at his play this game compared to the game in Titanic. what I have noticed is that he does give a lot of early town reads in that game. In titanic he gives a lot of easy town reads but he backs them up with reasons. When he has been going this game is giving his town list. But he hasn't really given reason for any of them. Just yeh they are town. So then I also look at this post of his about you. So he had you as a maybe, but now you just enter his town pile. This feels like he is hedging his bets to see how the thread swings. This is shit tier. overall his play feels less confident and more snipey, rather than being out there and making his voice heard. Could lynch him easily. 11) Eden and me (sheeping Eden) push him. He dodges with elusive answers. 12) Starts his tunnel on SL On February 25 2015 08:53 KelsierSC wrote: fuck it mind blown time is now boys. so I had SL as my scum read early because his posting was pretty fucking awful. just a feeling then he made this gem. Like this kind of "meta" read on damdred is like the most superficial garbage . Damdred can just talk to a thread it isn't beyond his intelligence. Maybe damdred is town but SL shouldn't be reading him town. So then I'm like well SL makes bad reads as both alignments, and as for his arrogance, well he is an obnoxious mo fo in general. I remember in a mafia game he said he had hf "twisted around his finger" hehe so i'm like ok maybe i'm not sure. let's step back , he's a fool. let's see what he does. Since I stepped back we get... Nothing. He doesn't give a shit about this. Just two shit tier town reads. I got him boys, join in on this ##Vote SickLucker 13) He almost insults me and Eden. 14) He votes Yamato On February 25 2015 20:44 KelsierSC wrote: No one read my case on SL? That sucks. This looks good though ##unvote ##vote yamato77 You seem too anxious to prove yourself town than actually find a mafia. Eden's case is ok too. 15) Starts pushing me to vote between Yamato & himself (since I had already said I would park Artanis case like no one was going to follow at that moment) 16) He will still vote SL or Yamato On February 25 2015 23:51 KelsierSC wrote: Alright. I agree his recent stuff has been good. Id probably lynch sl or Yamato. I would lynch either of yhr two noob T's but id feel bad lynching a nooby on d1 and they could easily be town just coming across badly. tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. 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So D1 ended with this: On February 26 2015 08:58 KelsierSC wrote: inb4 wave and snarfs are both town and yamato,eden are mafia together 1) N1 started with Probolous mad at me for voting Wave (following Eden and him) but between that KelsierSC shoots this pearl: On February 26 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote: if we have a vigi just shoot snarfs then we can clear up d2 better. Do not get confused by times in quotes (those are my time-zone) this happened during first minute of N1. 2) Now his lie: This is from late D1: On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: I wasn't quoting you snarfs. Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis. yet now he's voting wave. Which I answered: On February 26 2015 08:53 Tronak wrote: I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view and not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave. Now he comes with his lie again on early N1, helping Probulous's N1 push on me: On February 26 2015 09:06 KelsierSC wrote: you did say you liked the snarf lynch i'm pretty sure. Which I answered when I woke up and after explaining my vote on Wave and my read on Snarfs at that moment: On February 27 2015 00:16 Tronak wrote: And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?. He never answered this. 3) And he continues mixing all things but never involving Artanis/Probolous mafia. With these 2 posts one after another he happens to read 4 mafias: On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote: why the fuck would anyone like tormented after that lynch? snarf made some bullshit legacy post that offered nothing of interest, which he obviously didn't read properly. and that was enough to make him switch off him ? yeh , no On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote: Eden yamato team is real On February 26 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: it's a joke really. But If snarf is town then a Eden, yamato team could be real to me. but snarf needs to die tonight or the game is guna be over. 11 minutes later: On February 26 2015 09:29 KelsierSC wrote: i understand this is a newbie game so I sort of understand why d1 was such a cluster fuck of scum like I could happily lynch anyone of this lynch right now. SL, Tronak,Eden,Tormented,Node, Shining, snarf [red]Whoohoo he would lynch whole town team and suddenly forgets Yamato that was teaming with Eden? lolololol[/ed] 4) Keeps wanting to shoot Snarfs before going to sleep On February 26 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote: lol ok i don't really give a shit about this game until vigi shoots snarfs 5) He wakes up and reads town on me and Damdred because of our posts. Keeps suspicious about Tormented though. And doesnt want any question from SL. 6) Then considers Artanis and Yamato can be mafia 7) Then switches to Yamato-Probulus and Node can team OR Snarfs be mafia. 8) The mix of options continues On February 27 2015 04:28 KelsierSC wrote: I think tomorrow we can look at Artanis, Yamato,prob, node, tormented, On February 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote: Also damdred if artanis is mafia then take back what I said on tormented being mafia. I doubt the new player tor would bus a veteran. 9) After copy/pasting most Yamato's filter reads him as "ok" On February 27 2015 05:45 KelsierSC wrote: <I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion> I actually think yomato looks ok EOD actually. 10) After jumping in Probolous filter: On February 27 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote: <I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion> Prob would be my top lynch tomorrow 11) D2 starts: FF replaces Node. On February 27 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote: ##vote Fecalfeast 12) And he pretty much tunnels this whole D2 while calling town on Artanis. 13) Except to remember us he would lynch Tormented too: On March 01 2015 08:21 KelsierSC wrote: I dunno about tormented Mafia ir bad right? Yamato and artanis both dont like him, you don't like him. Id lynch him probably and not wide eyed over it 14) Now his 2nd lie On March 01 2015 08:24 KelsierSC wrote: Damdred had list of scum Right people get lynched Artanis is town So node is mafia. When I answered that he replays that Damdred was wrong with Artanis: On March 01 2015 08:38 KelsierSC wrote: Let me explain to you tronak one more time. People who are right get lynched. But damdred is wrong on artanis. So he was probably right on node. So node/ff is scum And we arrive EOD of D2 TLDR KelsierSC N1&D2: scum and weird switches from one side to another always mantaining Artanis as town | ||
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5 minutes before Artanys is lynched: On March 01 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote: Do what you want Done with this game. N2 then he said: I suck and that he should look on Prob and SL again and maybe on Yamato without many explanations. Then he focuses on his maths, wrong as Eden pointed to him, then correct. To conclude he says before being banned: "so if we shoot wrong we lose a lynch right. so in that case vigi shouldn't shoot unless he is pretty sure he hits scum" So Vigi shouldnt shoot on N2 but he should have shot on N1 to Snarfs. He was prolly right but is just weird. Snarfs is shot 5mins later. TLDR whole KelsierSC: he never really pointed to mafia lynched or made a correct case, if he was town we should look to SL otherwise I believe he really didn't drop anything very usefull. | ||
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 - completely absorbed my time and I am not feeling like jumping in SL and Shinings filters today. Hope my inputs helped, I'll be around 5 more hours before my sleep+business trip and I'm looking forward to read others cases when I'm back. | ||
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First: ##vote Onegu Second: On March 06 2015 10:33 The Shining wrote: Yep I am. Cuz if you flip town, town is screwed, and I'm the only one seeing that possibility. Deja vu. Ggs. We gonna have a big problem if Onegu flips town, I can see that too. In that case, I am going to look at SL (because I have never looked at him deep yet and because Eden asked us to do that), and you Shining (you push me and the are cases opened on you), and reconsider FF (FF lied us 3 times -unintentionally he claims and I at this moment believe). You should know that already. Last: If you need explanations of why I voted FF you should look in my filter or re-read thread pages 89, 92, 93 (I still remember those). Gotta leave for a while now. | ||
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Interested in this question too, who is the other red for you sicklucker? | ||
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On March 06 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote: You mean our Cop is uber townie? Wtf, why would you bother reading an unCCd blue role? Or did you miss that and that's why you killed Eden instead of Tormented? Since I was not here and couldnt do it before... a critical reflection about night shot on Eden. Assuming these 2 things: - Tormented is Cop as he claimed. I got not a single reason reason to not believe him by the way... - Godfather is alive so Cop is useless. My thoughts and what Godfather should have in his head too: 1) Tormented was not better target than a clear town any vanilla townie. It was clearly better target though than Veteran (shot wasted). 2) Eden feared death the night before and last night, so he shouldn't be Veteran. So 2 options: a) Mafia knows there is a Veteran. But since Eden is fearing death it shouldn't be him. b) Mafia knows there is a Doctor. However town is assuming Tormented gonna be shot so if doctor exists he may be protecting Tormented. (b) is less probable than a) since no one doctor dodged yet and Damdred+Snarfs+Eden were all good townies to protect) Conclusions: -Eden was a better target than Tormented for mafia. We lost an experienced player seen by all as town (as happened with Damdred and Snarfs), however mafia closed the possibility of Eden Godfather that Tormented had opened and me was considering as a remote but plausible option. -Now Eden was pointing at Onegu and SL (and pointed to Yamato before going for Prob the day before). May be wifom in here? | ||
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On March 06 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote: Big post that says very little. What I do want to point out is how many times they call themselves newbie, or just out of newbies. Newer scum do this all the time, they are paranoid someone will pick up on their play being scummy they say I'm new, I just out of newbies to cover their tracks. Shining does this all the time. Why do you say "they?" why you talk in plural if you got only 1 suspect and is shining? My noob line of thinking, this part of your case looks as written by a newbie scum tbh. Is as weak as me saying in my first game ever played that all replacements are scum when they say things like: On February 25 2015 05:27 KelsierSC wrote: I don't really care what HTS did or w/e. you should just make your reads on me when I start doing stuff. On March 05 2015 12:16 Onegu wrote: Also I won't be responding to the case as it wasn't me playing at the time. Oh, I look like a noob, cause I'm a noob. But tbh, my noob case is stronger than yours on shining. First: On March 02 2015 09:14 Onegu wrote: Here I am I am unfortunately not scum. So can one of the vets tell me who is scum? Thanks. Will read some filters later as long as they aren't 20 pages long. But mostly I will be making gut reads as they work the best for me. So why didnt you care at all about newbies opinion? wouldnt this make us feel weaker while playing and needing to justify our possible bad reads reminding you we are noob? That opening is, very scummy. Second: is your case on Shining a gut read or did you actually read some other players filters? I am not trying to defend Shining, just trying to think what made you base your defense on a newbie's case... | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:23 Onegu wrote: Also your case may have good points but I didn't read it, but I am town. This is wisdom as Hell but you can look in my past games if I was scum in this position I would concede. Can you please bring us some quotes or examples to prove that? | ||
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On March 07 2015 07:33 Onegu wrote: I expect.to get lynched and I don't mind and I expect Yamato to be the NK. So FF I expect you to read my shining case know I am terrible at writing cases but my reads are normally strong. Trust Yamato also when he thinks about the game he figures things out. SL come on now who is the other scum read of yours when I flip town. Well again, you only will trust in the veterans FF and Yamato... Now take a look to my position: -FF says "I dont know what to think about this case" (or something similar) -Yamato says "nothing", even after FF questioned him about it, and just switches his vote and calls for a vote switch without for instance saying I agree with whole case, I agree with this quote, or whatever points he thinks are good for the switch. So you dont trust in newbies following your case, and the veteran sheeping you (yamato) and the one refusing to follow you (FF) doesn't give us a detailed explanation of why they arrived to take those decisions, meanwhile SL complains about the low activity while ignores to give his second scum read. I put all that toguether in my brain and none of those makes me change my mind about you or shining (HTS could be scum, Kelser was scum to me, and you may be scum, shining keeps being scummy to me). And, again, why did you defend using Shining for your case? Did you actually read other players' filters or it was a gut read? | ||
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I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions. Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays". Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh... | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:21 _Tormented_ wrote: If Onegu Conglomeration turns up town. Tomorrow it should be between Shining and Tronak. Btw it was you asking for a Conglomeration. I made best case I could. Shining what do you think of Onegus case on you? | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:43 The Shining wrote: Tronak case. D1 opening: Really odd. Introduces himself as a newbie which is okay but then offers up an agreement to scumProb's stance on RNG lynch. Normally, its okay to be against an RNG lynch but as he says himself, that debate was over. So all he is doing is echoing thread sentiment and parroting scumProbulous. Then he follows with a kind of list/summary post that scum usually like to hide behind. Pressure Snarfs for being a vet and suggesting RNG. Lightly pressures scumArtanis for his opening but wants to hear more from him. Fees that scumProbulous "won the mini battle" against townDamdred. And everyone not mentioned in this post is town, which is odd because later in his filter I'm null and I don't think SL had posted by this point either. There at least 1-2 scum on this list, according to Tronak, the newbie. Probulous and Artanis are in this list. This could be a very early way to set yourself up if bussing is necessary later in the game. Especially as Godfather, since you won't be a red check. However, even listing these 2 early as possible scum, he waffles over the Artanis vote on and off and stays off the Probulous vote for FF. There is a lot more to this case but I figured getting something out before EoD might help town, in case votes swung my way while I posted this. Good you arrived to my filter's page number1, why didnt you brought that up during D1 or D2? My summary post was throwing out all my thinkings about the game. I thought i was helping tbh. It helped me to push and save Snarfs after his answers which on the later proved to be much more usefull than Wave was. It helped me to identify scum on Artanis and push him during N1 to the point of knowing he was mafia. It helped me push Yamato and get opinions from him and about him. As I said I voted FF "for the record" since I was convinced he could be mafia, Prob was clearly scummy as I already explained too. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:53 The Shining wrote: Wasn't planning on defending it unless I was leading in votes. I'm more concerned with Tronak than saving myself. If you are town you should defend if you want to win. | ||
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On March 07 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote: This post is pretty scummy. Not voting me because he believes the Onegu case(which he's attacking while saying I'm scummy?) But instead would vote me because I'm on him. Paranoid? Read my filter tbh. My main targets been for last days Kelser>SL=shining>FF. I havent got game solving. | ||
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On March 07 2015 18:48 sicklucker wrote: Urg ill step it up now. I was in a final 3, then in a cell duel. And no ones really talking here Please step up. I am here (day time and sunny day in Mallorca-Spain), so in case you wanna talk I'm willing to. I was reading your filter earlier this morning, I haven't finished it yet. I couldn't find any scum hidden message in your filter's first 2 pages. I think your vote sequence fits in scum team though, so my plan for today is finishing your filter, and also try to understand why Eden read scum on you. | ||
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SL vote sequence & explanations: D1) Kelser On February 25 2015 06:15 sicklucker wrote: And ksc is scummy for wanting to lynch two towns. (One that didnt do anything..) And two newbs On February 25 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:##vote KelsierSC N1) On February 26 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote: I would have voted WaveofShadow if your interested. Snarfs is town that was def town vs town D2) Artanis (entering 4th in the wagon, if he was mafia he had chance to switch into FF's wagon though-Artanis being really in Flu and SL Wifoming us or a preplanned bussing would be the only explanations to me) On February 26 2015 03:45 sicklucker wrote: Artanis is a really good mafia he single handly won his team the game by pocketing the two of us. If hes not nked ill be pretty suspicious but as of now I didnt see anything. On February 27 2015 11:07 sicklucker wrote: I looked at the stats the other day? Does artanis really never get mislynched? That like greatly increases the chances hes mafia here ##vote artanis[xp] I remember seeing on the stats page he was something like 0% mislynch percentage On February 27 2015 16:13 sicklucker wrote: Here are my reads. Town - Eden, Ksc, Snarf, The shining, Probulous Mafia - Yamato, artanis His explanations before Artanis' lynch may fit with a bussing I guess and can be towny too. D3) Probolous (enters 6th in the wagon pretty much when all had been decided already) On March 03 2015 16:04 sicklucker wrote: Ah well hes got the shittest voting record and hes not even playing so ##vote Probulous D4) HtS/KSC/Onegu (enters 2nd in the wagon and very fast) On March 05 2015 09:18 sicklucker wrote: Ya like I was always suspicious of ksc. He was mad and replaced in all games he was playing so I dont think that means he was town. And its a great case by are cop. ##vote onegu Question for SL: Why did you say a "great case by are cop"? So there are only 2 reasons for me to believe SL may be mafia: vote sequence and the fact that he did not bring a single case on anybody yet just some soft pushes on ksc and Yamato. However he provided some town reads. 2nd question for SL were you roleblocked in N1 or that was just part of your soft blue role claim? | ||
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On March 08 2015 03:57 sicklucker wrote: If mafias smart they kill yamato why? If mafia is smart "he" kills Tormented. | ||
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Some fast thoughts after reading whole Shining filter again: I am not sure about him anymore. What I did not like: 1) His too late opening: reading Damdred and Probolous town when none of them were under discussion. 2) He reading scum on Yamato and Artanis early game and then never pushing Artanis, then even trying to give him more time to defend himself and finally voting FF despite he was null about him. 3) The too many switches of his reads: Snarfs is null then is town; SL is scummy then is town; Tronak is null, then town, yesterday mafia; Yamato is scummier than Artanis, he uses this to not vote Artanis but when Yamato starts playing he never pushes this anymore and is town, Probolous is town, then he is unactive and then is mafia (he jumped 2nd is Probolous wagon though and that is pretty early for a buss); he questioned FF, Eden and Tormented too. He accuses me of doing exactly what he did = suspect on everybody. What I did like: he seems trying to solve the game to me. I hope Yamato and FF give more feedback other than their "Ok ##vote Shining" and "I dont buy case on Tronak" to back up their last night vote switches. I hope you Shining don't give up so easy and if you expect town to win you should support your defense. | ||
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On March 09 2015 10:36 sicklucker wrote: Tronak whats your mafia experience again? You said you played with dandred on another site? how many games Zero, this is my first Mafia game ever, I read 2 guides before game started and thats all. Tormented was the one saying he had played before in another site and this was his first game TL, Shining said he has played with Tormented in that other site, not sure about Damdred. | ||
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On March 09 2015 13:21 yamato77 wrote: gonna play this game now I have lots of time before deadline to figure this out Good, why you voted Shining last D? | ||
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However how do you explain he jumped in Probolous wagon so early? (I cant see this coming from scum). Bussing to save his Godfather position? he was not under pressure I think, I should check this for accuracy because I remember my self pushing him at a certain moment. | ||
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On March 09 2015 18:26 yamato77 wrote: He was, I called him/prob the last two mafia, and then he followed me on the wagon. So yeah, no townie points there. Oh that would explain it. Gonna check. | ||
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On March 09 2015 19:15 Fecalfeast wrote: most other people thought i was scum because of node.. Why the difference? And looks like I am horrible reading players. Because... not me, I read town on Node at game start and my red alarms on you FF are alive because you lied/failed unintentionally 3 times while I was pushing you. However FF you should be town since Probolous tried to save Artanis and him self voting on you (not much sense if you were Godfather). SL is also a big question mark to me. There are things I cant understand on him like his last contribution, asking me if this was my first mafia game when you can find this in my very first post before game started (he never jumped in my filter being town?). | ||
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On March 10 2015 00:55 sicklucker wrote: Doing some vote analyst I think its my best contribution being so disconnected to the game. Nothing that interesting here except artanis is voting yamato. Which is typically town points for yamato. Altho artanis is very capable as mafia he just didnt try this game. So my question to yamato how come you didnt feel artanis was scummy day1? Did his vote on you make you think hes mafia or town? Here we have artanis voting with his scum read yamoto. Which is not scummy for yamatoe really especially in a town vs town vote. We also have me and shining withholding are votes which is acualy quite scummy in the long run. I just honestly mixed up the deadline time and told you guys I would have voted wave which a mafia probably would not admit to voting a town. This is probably an ok reason for voting shining today Heres the vote count on artanis. Of the alive players I was acualy the first to vote him so I hope that gives me some town points so we dont mislynch me. Its interesting that tronak votes artanis after me but then switches his vote off of artanis then back on to him last. This could be mafia behavior trying to get off his team mate but I cant remember the context and if mafia could possibly think artanis could live. FF also wastes his vote here which is scummy. Here again the alive townies are last to vote the mafia ( which is probably why were still alive) Here tronak looks scummy again the difference is hes a new player and probably would not want to bus. I think this is the most scummy thing I have found so far. That seems to be it. Theres not alot and I seem to have the best voting record which is unfortunate because I already know im town. Everyone has done something suspicious but tronak seems to stand out. If you were to put a shotgun to me head and ask me who my two lynches in the game would be I think its tronik and the shining I already explained my voting sequences, the Artanis one twice, you'll find that in my filter. To make it fast though: D1: I wanted to save Snarfs, Wave was worse town, he refused to answer to one question I had thrown him and Eden's case was good. D2: Artanis: his Flu post made me think that +72hours with him alive wouldnt be bad if, and only if, FF was mafia, which I started to believe thanks to Probolous case on him. So I voted FF during several hours to push him, he was not playing and refused to explain his vote on Artanis, then he woke up and gave us an analysis on Tormented which I liked, so I thought to my self ok, FF may be town, Artanis is still mafia, I vote Artanis. D3: Probolous was scummy to me, FF was pure scum to me (thread pages 89+92), I voted FF "for the record" even feeling good about lynching Probolous if I could I would have voted FF instead, good that no one followed me. D4: Onegu was best scum case to me, I didn't trully believed in Shining being scum until today that Yamato made me analize how he could be bussing on Probolous. | ||
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On March 10 2015 06:48 The Shining wrote: Sorry guys, life's been busy, haven't had much time and I played a horrible game. Also let temper get the best of me and it took me out of the game somewhat. But I'm going with the case I started, even though I never had time to finish it. It means nothing, as I doubt I'll be able to defend out of this lynch with so little time but better mislynch than modkill. ##Vote: Tronak Hey there, I'll ask you for your inputs assuming I'm town if you dont mind. Got any other under spotlight? | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:22 Fecalfeast wrote: i don't think sicklucker is mafia i don't think yamato77 is mafia I'm not mafia Need I go on? Please, I know that will be more explanations than those you've given up to this point for a vote, but I am really expecting them since you hadnt pointed at me lately and now suddenly everything looks clear to you. | ||
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I'm referring to pages 7 & 8 of his filter. Feeling like he playing with us. | ||
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On March 10 2015 16:10 sicklucker wrote: Well looks like im never getting nked now so ill come out and claim veteran. Sup? That should save your ass indeed... | ||
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On March 10 2015 16:14 sicklucker wrote: Like that whole kill me now thing was just to get some town reads so I can take a bullet and win the game. It was definitely fake as shit I didnt acualy think anyone was gonna vote me. No one votes martyrs. Well theres more than that: On March 07 2015 18:51 sicklucker wrote: I was scumming onegu and tronak. But now im not so sure tronak tried pretty hard yesterday. I think we should pretend this is a new game and revaluate. Let's play a new game. On March 08 2015 02:14 sicklucker wrote: Hum well lets see what the nk brings first Not too fast though... On March 09 2015 10:36 sicklucker wrote: Tronak whats your mafia experience again? You said you played with dandred on another site? how many games "Ok so I was scumming Tronak which he tried yesterday so now is town but we need to revaluate... lets start by the begining, is this your first game Tronak? (this is in my very first post of my filter, how you didnt read that while scumming me?). On March 10 2015 00:55 sicklucker wrote: Doing some vote analyst I think its my best contribution being so disconnected to the game. On March 10 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote: Unfortunately I dont think we learn much from the votes time to filter dive lol? On March 10 2015 07:50 sicklucker wrote: Can I vote myself? oh well not enough time There was plenty enough time for your game, 10minutes even if you were trying to trap mafia. On March 10 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote: Well the taunt play didnt work ##unvote ##vote the shining However, "just in case" you just gave us 14mins to consider your taunt... | ||
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On March 10 2015 16:26 sicklucker wrote: Tronaks super long case on a mislynch has him like pretty lock town. I dont think a first time mafia would ever make a case so long. First time mafias are nervous as hell you remember my first mafia game ff? If hes this good as mafia in his first game hes gonna be a star and ill accept the loss FF - I tricked him hes town. Like mafias not gonna lose a potential mislynch. ( I know he only wavered for a second but he wavered) The mafia is yamato ill bring more tomorrow its late. If Yamato is mafia I'll take my hat off. | ||
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On March 10 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote: Like do you not feel my reads are genuine? Do you think as mafia I go after the most experienced game and not the first timer? I dont see a cc do you? Well in this game you only pushed Kelsier as fast and deep in so little time, so yeah they look genuine but I also consider you skilled enough to be able to do that. | ||
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On March 10 2015 16:44 sicklucker wrote: Like do you not feel my reads are genuine? Do you think as mafia I go after the most experienced game and not the first timer? I dont see a cc do you? Rereading what happened few hours ago... newbie question: what does "cc" stand for? cant find it in mafia acronyms lists I'm using to translate things like NK, lylo, mylo... cc keeps being Crowd Control (WOW term) for me... | ||
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On March 11 2015 00:43 sicklucker wrote: Like somethings really off with you. I should be innocence untill proven guilty not the otherway around. Can you explain your reads in depth My reads on you? not much sense anymore... During next D, assuming I survive NK, my eyes will be on FF and I'll have to reevaluate Yamato. About FF, is simple: he lied us a couple of times (read thread's page number 89 & 96, btw on previous rememberings I had said read page 89 and 92, 96 is the correct), he quoted Artanis wifom byebye post, he claims to have done all those unintentionally or similar. Moreover he had never gave a more than 1 line explanations on his votes. However no one was seeing that and since FF been playing and making good questions during last 72h I never pushed him again. Also is hard to imagine Probolous making a case on GodFFather while trying to save Artanis. About Yamato is harder, he brought by himself a case on Probolous while Eden wanted to lynch him. He yelled to save Wave, he was very firm to lynch Artanis. I'll have to reevaluate in search of things I may have missed. | ||
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1) I counterclaim Veteran Town role!! I am the real Vet. 2) My mithril t-shirt worked perfectly as expected. I spent last 15hours since SL claimed the role and I followed his plan so excited with the possibility that finally the bullet might come to me!! And look at it, it happened!! I am not an anti town/mafia anymore but guess I was during last night!! (as KelsierSC called me once this game). Now I go back to bed (4am here) with same question than last night: who is mafia? Marvelous play SL, gotta admit if that came from scum would be superb, I wanna thing it comes from a townie now though. I'll let the experienced judge the situation knowing the facts. | ||
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At least my push helped for you to do your claim blue thinguie I guess. Mafia was a very good experience. I'll play again soon! | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:20 LightningStrike wrote: Good job Tormented and Tronak I enjoyed working with both of you as a coach! Any coaching feedback would be welcomed Thanks LS!! You did a good job too! Thanks a lot for helping me with game mechanics and timings, a pity that we couldnt have an extensive iteration due to time zones, however you answered my questions in all key moments. | ||
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