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On February 20 2015 06:07 Blazinghand wrote: OK, the signups list is updated! Any new players, if you have questions or want to learn more, I recommend you check out the guides linked here. I'm also available for Q&A here in the thread before the game start. I'd expect it'll take a few more days for this game to fill up. /thanks I'll surely check the guides while this starts. | ||
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On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts. | ||
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1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post. 2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is -Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this. 3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose. 4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment. 5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post. If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure! Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. | ||
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Sorry, just realized i didnt end this sentence, so just forget it. Third's comments will prolly add more that I would have done. | ||
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On February 25 2015 02:27 Snarfs wrote: Tronak I hope that answers your question as well. Thanks it does. On February 25 2015 02:27 Snarfs wrote: As for my willingness to follow Yamato against Tormented, let's remember there are 10 town and 3 mafia. My opinion is that of the people talking last night when the game started, maybe only 1 will actually turn out to be mafia, posssssssibly 2, but we need more posts to determine that. Tormented is a better candidate than Damdred, imo. Aha clear also, so both would be possible suspicious for you until now. Just one more than the other. | ||
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On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote: Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please? Actually some points: -He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes. -About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you. - Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia). | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote: I'd lynch Tormented,Damdred,Node,Tronak and SL Why? another post like your first ones to see who reacts? | ||
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On February 25 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also want more comments on my case. I cant take seriously your case on Tormented, lyching someone for being paranoid on you during first posts while you were trolling around is not a solid argument from my point of view. First I thought you could be putting some pressure on Tormented, now I am thinking, again, you are trying to bring attention to a dead point, again. | ||
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On February 25 2015 06:51 KelsierSC wrote: what is it with you people trying to put these crazy motives behind my actions. why would you answer with such an empty question to my simple and legit demand? maybe you thought I was trolling, so I'll rephrase... since you included me in your wannabe lynch list me I would like to know the reasons. | ||
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About my "summary": -I needed it to my self, my questions were honest and hope they contributed. Still waiting for some reactions (Yamato's and Prob's). About my post about you Node: -I wouldnt have written it if Snarfs wouldnt have asked for it and was directed to him. I read town on you, said it 4 of 5 times , I just leaved a possible scummy scenary opened. Scarfs investigation (self explanatory if trusted and I did) and your post about me (I am noob, and I deduce that playing weak, but I think is logic from your side to push me) are enough reasons to think again you are town. | ||
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I cant follow your line of game yet, thank you though that at least now you giving some 4 lines posts to explain your thinking, much better than those rushy posts (was getting lost in there) | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote: scum read me if you want i don't give a fuck lol Following Eden's thoughts on Kel with interest and agreeing with her so far. Gonna throw 1 question for you Kel before i go to sleep: 1 - Do you really care about the results of this game or you were persuaded to come make this replacement? | ||
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Thanks for curving the answer. My game is unexperienced. Why should you be so agressive? That makes you feel better? ok, this wont help on anything, so I'll rather hit my pillow. nn | ||
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On February 25 2015 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote: As for reads yamato, my schedule has been particularly brutal as of Monday. I'll try to look at stuff after iris tonight. QUOTE]On February 25 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not going to lie, I have zero clue what is going on in thread right now. I don't know who is a suspect, who looks scummy to whom. This hasn't been a particularly productive day so I'm going to attempt to re-read later tonight to see if I pick up on anything.[/QUOTE] <Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one> On February 25 2015 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh. I know I'd never say anything as terrible as 'I don't think you're scum yet' as scum. Trying to work up the motivation to re-read. I probably should too since I won't be around for deadline. Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion. | ||
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On February 25 2015 16:47 Eden1892 wrote: tbh I could lynch yamato for a couple of reasons: (1) don't like a couple of his reads. I feel like he has no good reason to be keeping Artie in null and on further reflection, his Tormented and Kelsier suspicions seem too easy (2) it is really odd how he complains about the game direction while (a) having 3-4 townreads and a couple of scumreads who are viable d1 lynches, per his filter, and (b) how he's been one of the more active and involved posters in the thread. I'm not even sure I have as many reads as he does right now (though I could be wrong) and I think the thread direction is fine, as long as the rest of the turn isn't stagnant. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: yamato77 I could jump in this train since Yamato is still suspicious for me. I was hoping Yamato to answer my "summary" post and later reminder. Not sure if he didnt answer because: a) my points could harm him b) my arguments are so "noob" that not worth answering me. However I want also to jump in Yamatos & Sicklucker train and lynch Kelsier for filling 3 pages of rubish in a thread that was taking a good direction (deeper analysis were going on). About this, Eden what made you abandon your line of scum arguments on Kelsier? Just his case on sicklucker? You considered Yamato a better target? or any other thing I cant arrive to see? Finally, trying to follow up a bit the points I opened yesterday here: On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote: After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them: 1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player? Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post. 2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given? Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is -Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why? I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this. 3) Tormented throws his bomb list. Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose. 4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment. 5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post. If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure! Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way. - My initial opinions about Scarfs-Artanis and Yamatos openings were weak as those who have talked about this (Scarfs – Artanis and guess Kelsier in his way) pointed out. I had a fast look on other Mafia games and checked that is true that game openings are full of trollish bullshit (guess no news for the veterans, they were for me though). -Also going to stop, for now, my soft push on Artanis despite he also keeps being suspicious in my newbie thinking since although I can now understand his case on Tormented, I don't buy it. All accussations on Tormented seem weak to me so far, this is a feeling not something very rational. However, I can’t abandon the idea that Artanis may want us to follow a dead line just based on how well timed his case came into the thread. After putting all this toguether, it looks like nobody gonna follow my point and my potential vote on Artanis would be futile, so I decided I’ll gather more and better information in the future. -My actual thinking on other people mentioned in my post: (i) Probulous: a good but unsuccessfull case on Damdred which he abandons, and in general short townie looking good interventions. Can’t read on him. (ii) Damdred: I am know convinced by his own defense and most players opinion that he must be town. -And to add my fresh honest thinkings about the rest: (i) WaveShadow: cant read him other than town so far. (ii) Node: I read him town as explained in previous posts. Scarfs case on him didnt make me change my mind. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning. (iv) The Shining: ( empty ) (v) Eden: I like how she pushes, should be town. (vi) sicklucker: cant read him properly, I think if he keeps being so selective in his appeareances he could enter in my suspicious list easyly. Conclusion: I will wait some more before voting for Yamato or Kelsier based on what others may bring on the table unless something really new appears that makes me change completly my mind. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:46 Damdred wrote: Why is kel even mentioned at the end of your post when he's not in your paragraph really when you caught up on everyone? really weird post Not true, Kel is mentioned at the very start of my post, re-read it please. | ||
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On February 25 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote: So conclusion is to wait on whoever gets the most traction and then join that wagon? If that would potentially save "any" of my extensive "believed" townies list, yes I would probably join "that wagon with most traction" (assuming the trains goes for Yamatos-Kelsier lynching). If that wouldn't change a thing, I will decide my self in which of those wagons jump in. On February 25 2015 21:44 KelsierSC wrote: Why don't you actually grow a dick and vote someone Beacause I want to give as much value to my vote as possible. No hurry for taking my final decision. | ||
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