On February 26 2015 07:02 Probulous wrote:
Has Sicklucker ever been town???
Has Sicklucker ever been town???
...bruh I just quoted a game where he has LOL
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On February 26 2015 07:02 Probulous wrote: Has Sicklucker ever been town??? ...bruh I just quoted a game where he has LOL | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. On February 26 2015 05:44 Eden1892 wrote: Here we are just over 2 hours out from the lynch and Wave, after spending the better half of the last 24 hours on a woe-is-me I'm-so-lost pity party, is content just to fling stupid one-liner shit instead of trying to find mafia. How are we not lynching this guy? this still eagerly awaits refutation from SOMEBODY ANYBODY PLS RESPOND | ||
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THIS IS SO IRRITATING | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:52 KelsierSC wrote: wave does tornak fit this description Show nested quote + On February 24 2015 15:25 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote: On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were: On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote: @yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. This one is curious. It's typical new player fare. He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh. Now I think there's maybe something to it, but a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction. I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way. Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either. And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play. I'm far less convinced by this than I am with Damdred's play right now. Damdred is far better than he has played thus far, and his excuses are a little weak. What exactly do you find to be 'ehhhhhhhhhh?' asdf literally already brought this up like 5x now thank god someone is finally talking about it | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Artanis I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. why is snarfs town to you | ||
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On February 26 2015 07:56 _Tormented_ wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 07:54 Eden1892 wrote: On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote: ##unvote ##Vote Artanis I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it. why is snarfs town to you I voted him originally for his post against Node that seemed a pretty big stretch to me, along with not helping find any scum besides that post. I actually liked his recent post with his actual reads, but that is just me. I could just as easily be wrong. ...meh this is actually ok. what did you think was townie about them | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote: I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:07 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote: I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case I don't think sheeping someone when you are confused is scum sided. Dunno, I just like him I guess. His interaction with damdred early on felt pretty good. What about the part where he says he has trouble distinguishing between newbie players not playing well and scum, and the part where all his votes and suspects this game besides Damdred have been newbies he hasn't bothered to dig into | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:13 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:13 Eden1892 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:07 KelsierSC wrote: On February 26 2015 08:05 Eden1892 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:05 KelsierSC wrote: I think wave is town if that is of interest to anyone reply to my case I don't think sheeping someone when you are confused is scum sided. Dunno, I just like him I guess. His interaction with damdred early on felt pretty good. What about the part where he says he has trouble distinguishing between newbie players not playing well and scum, and the part where all his votes and suspects this game besides Damdred have been newbies he hasn't bothered to dig into yeh well i'm waiting for an answer to that part. You're not going to get one because everyone kept ignoring/shitting on my case until he felt confident he could just afk for the rest of d1 This guy is doing jack shit to figure out the game. He's been "lost" for like a full fucking day now and hasn't done anything to not be lost. He's just sheeping an easy lynch on a new(ish) player he doesn't even explicitly suspect, and before that, even though he admits he has a blind spot for new players vs mafia, he just votes a new player doing newbie things and calls him scum without bothering to dig into whether or not he's actually scum. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote: he said he liked snarfs post I said was it because "he called me and artanis mafia" tormented carried on like "im not calling you mafia anymore..." but the thing is snarf didn't actually call me mafia in his post and he didn't want to lynch me. so tormented didn't even read what snarf wrote. i get where your mind is, but that doesn't mean what you think it means you implicitly asserted that he thought you were mafia. his comment was to correct your implied assertion | ||
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On February 26 2015 04:45 Eden1892 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 25 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I don't think your wave case is that strong. I pointed out that he was adhering more to thread sentiment already here and he replied that he's changing his meta. I actually feel like he's been probing people's thoughts for the most part in the rest of the game. I also don't think his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory; he could simply find it stronger than the case on Tormented, though I still don't understand why people keep ignoring that case. "Adhering more to thread sentiment" isn't what Wave was doing with Kelsier. He just floats the question out there and does nothing with it afterward. He even said "I think this is a scummy question" and then ignored me when I asked why. That isn't probing people for their thoughts. He kinda did some probing with Damdred which is why I'm a little hesitant (not enough to matter), but after that he just goes on cruise control. And yes, his suspicion of Tronak is contradictory with the quote I provided. He acknowledges a weakness in being able to read new people who say things that are superficially suspicious. A new player says something superficially suspicious. A townie in this situation would question the new player further to understand where that player is coming from, being cognizant of his own weakness in reading and seeking to overcome his bias and find a more accurate read. A mobster in this situation would just vote the guy for contradicting himself and then go "oops, looks like my newbie-reading weakness caught me again, haha!" after the guy flips town. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:27 Probulous wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:16 Probulous wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow Answer the question. he's not going to be here wtf are you doing? I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum. Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum. thank you | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:28 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:27 Probulous wrote: On February 26 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:16 Probulous wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow Answer the question. he's not going to be here wtf are you doing? I don't like a Snarfs lynch, he is active trying and willing to be wrong. Artanis is spammy as hell but so are others and he has been pushing his tormented case all game. He is at least active and trying to find scum. Wave has done absolutely nothing all game despite being asked for it. Many times. He wasn't a lynch target so he just AFKs. Classic scum. He didn't just AFK, he has a fucking job and a family dude wtf ...ok? so does everyone else here ...well, mostly i guess? point being, RL shit happens to everyone. that's not really an excuse for repeatedly saying "damn i have to reread this game it's so hard" for an entire day and then not getting anything done like if some irl issue or w/e has been keeping him from being able to do it, i would have figured he would mention it by now? | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Holy shit Wave's filter since the Damdred push is terrible. FUCKING HELL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I still prefer a Snarfs lynch over a Wave lynch. I just find it hard to imagine he wouldn't know who his main suspect is voting for and suspects if he actually put any effort into reading the filter whatsoever. I feel like Wave's play can be explained more easily by playing bad than Snarfs can. lol so one mistake made by a newer player in a moment of forgetfulness is hard to explain away (see look I already did it) but an entire half-turn of filter of utterly nothing good is just "playing bad"? artanis pls | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:41 Eden1892 wrote: On February 26 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think I still prefer a Snarfs lynch over a Wave lynch. I just find it hard to imagine he wouldn't know who his main suspect is voting for and suspects if he actually put any effort into reading the filter whatsoever. I feel like Wave's play can be explained more easily by playing bad than Snarfs can. lol so one mistake made by a newer player in a moment of forgetfulness is hard to explain away (see look I already did it) but an entire half-turn of filter of utterly nothing good is just "playing bad"? artanis pls You don't just "forget" to be paranoid. Either you're paranoid or you're not, it isn't a goddamn choice. lol I actually misread what Snarfs was doing But it's even more clearly explained by him being town actually. He said he was making the point that you spent a lot of time on yamato this turn for being "tunnelled on Tormented." That's not a slip or even bad play, it's a fucking rhetorical point. Come on man. | ||
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On February 26 2015 08:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2015 08:44 Snarfs wrote: On February 26 2015 08:40 KelsierSC wrote: On February 26 2015 08:04 Tronak wrote: On February 26 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On February 26 2015 07:37 Snarfs wrote: On February 26 2015 07:30 _Tormented_ wrote: Sigh...that post does seem rather towny. I do agree with your opinion of artanis, but I believe someone posted that he usually does tunnel someone they think is scum. So the fact that he provided very little else to the entire D1 could possibly be explained with that. I just really dislike that I need to go back and read to figure out who he thinks is scum. If he was tunneling I'm pretty sure I'd know off the top of my head. I think it was yamato? Okay, I've made up my mind. You're scum. There's no way you're reading the thread if you don't know who I've been going after all game long. /agree I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve. However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented. How can you explain that Snarfs? I was trying to make a point about artanis's so called "tunneling". I've already explained this. I knew he was suspecting Tormented, but the fact that he switched to yamato and then tried to push him was not a memorable event. It should be a memorable event if you're accusing someone of being mafia the entire day. One would expect a bit more knowledge over their top suspect that they've had the entire day. this post is so fraudulent are you kidding me you're clearly out to punish this guy for something that doesn't even mean anything and not reading with an open mind at all | ||
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