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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 15 2015 02:34 GMT
#781
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 15 2015 02:44 GMT
#782
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Town Puppy
Profile Joined February 2015
United States167 Posts
February 15 2015 02:44 GMT
#783
On February 15 2015 11:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:
I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.



The vast majority of it is "I don't agree with his reads" and predicated on HtS being lock clear town for you. That's great, HtS isn't lock clear town and disagreeing with reads doesn't qualify a case as "great". So yes it is weak.

How is HTS not lock clear town? She claimed miller. There is no cc. No one has posted anything to substantiate that she might be fakeclaiming.

And it's more than "I disagree with his reads." He called lian top town for nothing substantial, called Vayne mafia for nothing substantial. Go read his post and explain to me why he thinks Vayne is mafia. If you can do it, great, I read his post and I couldn't. Maybe you can make it make sense. In the meantime, his reason for thinking Vayne is mafia doesn't make sense, he's not half as active in the thread as he is when he's town, and that's a pretty good reason to kill him.
Town Puppy
Profile Joined February 2015
United States167 Posts
February 15 2015 02:47 GMT
#784
On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:
Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler +
b-baka
but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.


Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?

Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC.

My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game.


Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter.

I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.

And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE.

Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that.


RNGesus?

I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day.

What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia?

The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case.

And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet?

The case is just inconclusive.

Not praise.

It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because:
(1) Vayne hasn't rolled over
(2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty
(3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway

The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it.

I really don't see how my case is inconclusive.
Town Puppy
Profile Joined February 2015
United States167 Posts
February 15 2015 02:49 GMT
#785
Also if you don't like my case come up with something better plz. Slightly annoying to have people dumping on it by calling it bad logic but then not pushing anything better. s/o to rso
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 15 2015 02:56 GMT
#786
On February 15 2015 11:47 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:
Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler +
b-baka
but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.


Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?

Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC.

My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game.


Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter.

I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.

And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE.

Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that.


RNGesus?

I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day.

What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia?

The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case.

And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet?

The case is just inconclusive.

Not praise.

It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because:
(1) Vayne hasn't rolled over
(2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty
(3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway

The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it.

I really don't see how my case is inconclusive.


You don't see anything wrong with HTS claiming miller and saying she's doing it because of marv last game, when you explicitly know the circumstances of that claim since you instigated it, and there is absolutely no parallel between that and this game?

Lol, my BS meter, Eden xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 15 2015 02:57 GMT
#787
On February 15 2015 11:49 Town Puppy wrote:
Also if you don't like my case come up with something better plz. Slightly annoying to have people dumping on it by calling it bad logic but then not pushing anything better. s/o to rso


I'd be voting HtS right now if Rayn wasn't bugging me -shrugs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
February 15 2015 03:18 GMT
#788
I actually really like puppys case and the follow up

##Vote KSC
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 15 2015 03:22 GMT
#789
On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 15 2015 03:23 GMT
#790
On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.

EBWOP: Null on the fact she is claimed Miller but no one has counterclaimed yet so she could be town for it but otherwise I don't see her normal town play this game.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 15 2015 03:24 GMT
#791
On February 15 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.

EBWOP: Null on the fact she is claimed Miller but no one has counterclaimed yet so she could be town for it but otherwise I don't see her normal town play this game.

Near the beginning of the game when HtS was trying to make me seem uncomfortable, she said she was playing her normal town game. Where do you see differences?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
February 15 2015 03:26 GMT
#792
On February 15 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 12:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.

EBWOP: Null on the fact she is claimed Miller but no one has counterclaimed yet so she could be town for it but otherwise I don't see her normal town play this game.

Near the beginning of the game when HtS was trying to make me seem uncomfortable, she said she was playing her normal town game. Where do you see differences?

She been asking a lot of dead end questions compared to her normal town game. Idk if she is trying to change her play style or what.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 15 2015 03:27 GMT
#793
I'm back after a long evening, and catching up.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 15 2015 03:30 GMT
#794
On February 15 2015 10:10 liancourt wrote:
i'm just throwing this out there. Has anyone played d1 without opening their pm?

Kushm4sta
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
February 15 2015 03:31 GMT
#795
On February 15 2015 12:22 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:34 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin what you think of Eden? Also I starting to like ritoky this game


Not sure, honestly. He does bounce around a lot as town :/ as someone pointed out earlier, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time he built up a weak case on bad logic.

What's your read on HtS and Rayn, LS?

HTS Null She doesn't seem like herself this game :|
Rayn most likely town he and I got the same scum read on superbia and his posting seems like his normal town meta for now.


I need to look at Superbia again. He's made such a low impact on me :/ Rayn did an interesting flip-flop on Palmar based on prplhz's post that just didn't sit well with me. Prplhz's argument about Palmar suddenly reading the OP was a good point, but he then went on to reiterate the same thing 2-3 more times in the same post that just left a bad taste in my mouth.

When Rayn quoted that post from prplhz, he left the awkward follow-up paragraph out. That and townreading Bresh for that entrance have me reluctant to vote with him right now.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
February 15 2015 03:33 GMT
#796
On February 15 2015 12:26 LightningStrike wrote:
She been asking a lot of dead end questions compared to her normal town game. Idk if she is trying to change her play style or what.


Old news. Already responded to others on why the questions from early D1 are being asked and how I'm using them.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 15 2015 03:36 GMT
#797
Man, I got lilies, I got truffles, (the chocolate kind), I got dipped strawberries, I wrote 3 paragraphs in a card with a quote that sums up our current situation...

Am I crazy?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Town Puppy
Profile Joined February 2015
United States167 Posts
February 15 2015 03:42 GMT
#798
On February 15 2015 11:56 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2015 11:47 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 11:12 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:59 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:
Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler +
b-baka
but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.


Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?

Bogus charge, my most substantial post of the game by far is my case on KelsierSC.

My filter isn't even long, not sure why you're having trouble reading it this game.


Hardly a bogus charge. You've posted several posts now townreading people, saying that BH's RNG is getting better and better...including directly after that large KSC post. It seems really disconnected to me, even for you xP Also, KSC isn't making my town list, but your arguments for scumreading him were pretty weak when compared to his filter.

I think my case against Kelsier is great. If you're gonna call my reasons "weak compared to his filter" then you better be prepared to say why.

And I keep commenting on BH's RNG lynch because I don't have a good reason yet to think anything of Vayne. I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town or mafia. There's a pretty real chance that Vayne gets lynched today, so I have to decide for myself if I'm okay with this happening or not. In absence of Vayne being clearly town, figuring out a bunch of townies that aren't Vayne makes me feel better about him getting lynched, because for every person who steps up and shows themselves to be town, that's one more incremental step toward Vayne being mafia by POE.

Also, where did I praise BH? I saw you said that in your earlier post as I typed this one. I wouldn't say I've done that.


RNGesus?

I don't see anything particularly alignment-indicative in KSC's filter. It's short. It's Valentine's Day.

What makes KSC scum about thinking that VA may be rolling over to deny town information if he's mafia?

The lian read was kinda weird, imo, as a "too scummy to be scum" sorta deal, cause not sure how that translates to top town, but that wasn't part of your case.

And I don't understand your HtS point at all? Is the argument that she's the only one who has claimed? If KSC isn't reading her as "top town" then why does it matter if he thinks she shouldn't be townreading him yet?

The case is just inconclusive.

Not praise.

It is suspicious that KSC concluded VA decided to roll over as scum and deny information because:
(1) Vayne hasn't rolled over
(2) Vayne being lynched is far from a certainty
(3) Vayne hasn't actually done anything alignment-indicative, and Kelsier's description of his activity is a description of a null player, but then Kelsier decides Vayne is mafia anyway

The lian read being weird was part of my case, thanks for adding to it by taking another angle on it.

I really don't see how my case is inconclusive.


You don't see anything wrong with HTS claiming miller and saying she's doing it because of marv last game, when you explicitly know the circumstances of that claim since you instigated it, and there is absolutely no parallel between that and this game?

Lol, my BS meter, Eden xP

No, not particularly. I don't think HTS is gutsy enough to fakeclaim out of the gate as miller. Simple as that. If there's a cc then we can talk, but right now we have an un-cc'd miller from a player who isn't known for making high-risk decisions. I don't care if she got inspiration for it from another game. She saw how much hot water marv would have been in had he been mafia and fakeclaiming, and could easily see how much hot water one of the mafia could have been in had they fakeclaimed and gotten cc'd by marv.

I'm getting worried about you, bud. I don't get the sense you're really engaging my arguments. You're saying stuff that almost gets to the point of a response to my points, stuff that on the surface looks like a counterargument, but when I unpack it you aren't really rebutting my core premise. None of what you said in the post I'm quoting does anything to falsify my premise.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 15 2015 03:45 GMT
#799
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
February 15 2015 03:57 GMT
#800
On February 15 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
can anybody explain this hts miller business to me because i don't understand it at all

Half the Sky claimed miller instantly.

Rayn and Robik say, therefore she is scum.

Town puppy, I think Blazinghand, and I say therefore town

You say, Wut u saying ppl.
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