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On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you: Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:
It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default. Show nested quote +On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol. While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier. Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other. The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc. This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However: I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere I couldn't convince anyone to follow me Half the players thought I was mafia. I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched. So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG. Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG. Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill. any questions?
i have a question
are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over?
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On February 15 2015 09:31 Onegu wrote:
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(1) Half the Sky - raynpelikoneet
(1) Fecalfeast - liancourt
(1) Blazinghand - rsoultin
(3) VayneAuthority - Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Town Puppy
(1) ritoky - Fecalfeast
(1) Superbia - LightningStrike
VayneAuthority is set to be lynched. Voting ends in
I thought I unvoted
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On February 15 2015 09:28 liancourt wrote:
But do we want to waste a lynch on d1 on policy than obvious scum FF?
Huh, I'm fairly close to an omgus vote. Why am I scum?
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I'm gonna extrapolate a bit from assuming HTS is town claiming miller, because that's probably what actually happened. I think Kelsier's two big posts are unsatisfying and he's possibly mafia.
His first post has him scumreading Vayne, but with no clear reason for it. He brings up a joke and what he felt was a 'forced' comment, but he doesn't explain how the joke was suspicious and he doesn't even post the comment for me to see what he means, let alone explain how the comment is suspicious. He begins to make a case by commenting on Vayne's activity, but instead of the correct read that Vayne going inactive is null, he finds a reason to think it's alignment-indicative (specifically, mafia-indicative) because it 'feels' like something that happened in a previous game.
He also has lian as top town, for something that... I guess could make him town? But doesn't really make sense, because unless you think HTS is fakeclaiming miller (a matter on which Kelsier gives no opinion), you have to think she's town, which would make her top town given her activity level besides.
In his second post of note he says that HTS shouldn't be townreading him. So? If HTS is town (hint: unless you argue conclusively that she fakeclaimed miller, she is), who cares if her townread on you isn't for the best reasons? If you're town you should be glad she got there quickly and let it sit. It's just a strange objection that reads to me like he wanted to look like he was townie (for arguing someone townreading him). I say it looks like that because he doesn't followup with anything to dig into HTS to learn her alignment - important, because his post clearly is going in the direction of "HTS is mafia," but stops shy of it.
I remember him being a lot more frequent of a poster, and I know Valentine's Day could be messing with that, but his posts seem a lot stiffer and difficult than as in Imperial. He was a lot more freewheeling with his posts, I think.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: KelsierSC
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Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.
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My filter isn't even 3pg long yet. You guys should be so proud of me.
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i'm just throwing this out there. Has anyone played d1 without opening their pm?
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On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:15 Breshke wrote:
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Where did the scumlean on superbia come from?
You think a scum palmar "gets caught" wanting to hunt for power roles. I think that is a bad read.
super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy. Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:
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You think HtS is scum? No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you.
I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads.
Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up?
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On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
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super has less than a page of filter and spends most of it talking about BH's RNG post when he claimed to have a scumread on rayn. When rayn asks about the scumread, super goes AWOL for 13 hours? scummy.
Ok, maybe palmar's not that bad, it still seems scummy to me. Almost like a cocky "you caught me but who cares?" So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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No i don't i am obviously just talking shit.... What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you. I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads. Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up?
Null at best. Learn to read xP So are you saying you still have no scumreads?
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##unvote
BH, how does sheeping being a skill translate to sheeping you being a skill?
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ITT: way too many ppl playing defensive without coming to any conclusion.
I found it funny kelsier gave me a tr for doing jack all. Fite me.
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On February 15 2015 10:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:28 Breshke wrote:
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So you think superbias scumread of rayn was serious? I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say: On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:
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You think HtS is scum? and then On February 14 2015 18:55 Superbia wrote:
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What? It was all a joke or some shit? if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you. I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads. Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up? Null at best. Learn to read xP So are you saying you still have no scumreads?
How bout you stop dodging the question and actually give your reads.
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Also superbia are you still around?
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On February 15 2015 10:20 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:17 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 10:14 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 08:09 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 08:05 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 07:50 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 07:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
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I think it was pointless. If he was joking, why would he say:
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if he was joking around ? I don't think you can really compare ayns HTS thing to superbias rayn thing. Rayn had given reasons and what not to why he thought HTS was scum so for him to back flip and say it was a joke would be weird. I think it is totally possible superbias can make a joke read while call bullshit when he thinks someone else made a joke read Rayn addresses superbia: On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. to which super replies On February 14 2015 18:49 Superbia wrote:On February 14 2015 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia explain your scumread and stop talking about irrelevant shit. You think HtS is scum? They are literally talking about super's scumread how can I not use this as an example of super's read being serious? Im dumb i should really read nested quotes. So superbias scum read on rayn was because he was scum reading HtS. Okay maybe it wasn't a joke. @Rsoul do you have any reads or are you just going to throw scum on everyone? Lol, of course I have reads xP Even some townreads. Actually reading people's posts does wonders. Do you have any scumreads, or are you just going to be defending everyone all day? (HtS, Eden, LS, Superbia, half-and-half me, etc. etc.) That bolded phrase is probably the most common sentiment used to scumread me in all my town games, btw ^^ oooooo that dig hahaha. I read peoples posts I just dont click the button to read everything I struggle to get scumreads D1 town reads are much easier. I think that FF's stuff on superbia is actually really good now. I also think you are fairly scummy because you are posting but you arnt saying anything On February 15 2015 00:37 rsoultin wrote:On February 15 2015 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:28 rsoultin wrote:
Speaking of...any opinions on the Breshke entrance? Anyone can answer this. town I dunnae. Coming into the thread to tell people where to vote is kinda blah imo :/ Take this for example. Is blah town or scummy, why is trying to clarify where people vote alignment indicative. Your reads would be nice thanks Coming in to tell someone where to post and joke about them being modkilled is blah, which translates to at best null. It's just an entrance post, of course...but that you've managed to develop no clear scumreads since start of day has me leaning scum on you. Note the context of the post: I was contesting Rayn's townread on you. I'm not going to force a scum read when i don't have any. You have played with me before i don't see how you think its weird i didn't have any clear scum reads. Yes you were contesting rayn's read but you brought it up so either you were just doing that to post words or you thought there was something alignment indicative about it. Yet you came to the conclusion of blah which you say means null so why did you feel it was necessary to bring up? Null at best. Learn to read xP So are you saying you still have no scumreads? How bout you stop dodging the question and actually give your reads.
What, do you want a list post or something? I've already clearly expressed suspicions about you, HtS and Puppy while saying ritoky is probably town.
Not exactly rocket science.
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On February 15 2015 09:46 Town Puppy wrote:Also liancourt is town. Not that I'm RNG lynching or anything + Show Spoiler + but the RNG lynch is looking steadily better with so many people getting themselves out of the "possibly mafia" pool.
Why are so many of your posts focusing on the percent chance VA is mafia and praising BH, yet you're voting for KSC?
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I'm around now for a little bit. What's up breshke?
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On February 15 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
I'm around now for a little bit. What's up breshke?
Why did you not expand on your rayn read straight away instead of just dropping it in the thread and leaving. Did it not feel important to you?
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On February 15 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
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##unvote
BH, how does sheeping being a skill translate to sheeping you being a skill?
I'm the natural choice. I've made a solid case and gathered support for it. Nobody else has a read or a case with my level of conviction.
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On February 15 2015 10:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
I'm around now for a little bit. What's up breshke? Why did you not expand on your rayn read straight away instead of just dropping it in the thread and leaving. Did it not feel important to you?
Honestly I was kind of tired and about to go away when rayn entered the field.
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On February 15 2015 10:39 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 10:36 Breshke wrote:On February 15 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
I'm around now for a little bit. What's up breshke? Why did you not expand on your rayn read straight away instead of just dropping it in the thread and leaving. Did it not feel important to you? Honestly I was kind of tired and about to go away when rayn entered the field.
Except you opened with your rayn read then moved on to talk about BH RNG shit and didn't say anything about rayn until he called you out.. You could have talked about it before you were asked directly
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