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On February 22 2015 12:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 11:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
Guys if we find the SK for scum and mislynch we basically lose so if we're going SK hunting let's be very sure we have a scum lynch locked in today That's not actually true, is it? 7:3:1 find the SK 6:3:0 going into tomorrow 7:3:1 mislynch 6:2:1 or 5:3:1 going into tomorrow <- that seems a lot more dangerous I think I'm just going to put my vote on prplhz for now, cause while I like VA's point, he's the one I think is most likely to flip scum. But strategically finding the SK is not a bad thing at all if it removes one night KP. ##vote: prplhz
I want a response to this, FF
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On February 22 2015 12:11 rsoultin wrote:
I think LS is still the lynch?
That's a huge case LS ^^;;
I remember agreeing with some of it and not understanding most of it. Is there any way you could condense it into a point with a single sentence for each thing you're scumreading him for?
A. He claimed Red which is a power role in this game but in normal games that isn't this game or Carol Mafia is Red
B.He contradicts himself a lot this game espcally about Rayn first calling him Green (VT or Miller) then went on to calling Rayn Mafia but wouldn't lynch him top scumread in Rayn due to Rayn's reputation.
C. Asking pointless questions a ton.
D. His read progression isn't clear for someone who is a Vet in TL Mafia.
E. Voted without explaining until much later kind of reminds me on how Cele did that from Unvoting me to Voting JarJar in Newbie LX when Cele was Mafia.
F. Attacking KSC and BH on small things they said and shit.
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So...curious. Only mention of SK in ritoky's filter is constantly calling FF it, then this post:
On February 20 2015 19:15 ritoky wrote:
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Like I said earlier in my previous vote analysis, I think there is likely 2 mafia if not more who voted on lian day 1. damdred/breshke was 1, which would leave likely 1 more between LS/FF/rsoul. If you look at the prior to rayn claim sample for votes, LS has followed damdred onto rayn, rsoul is on VA, and FF isn't voted (he is I believe the last person to vote on rayn).
The only 2 question marks who weren't on rayn last phase were VA (voted on BH both phases) and prphlz (who is in modkill range after not voting, so isn't worth discussing unless he comes back). If we assume there's 1 mafia amongst these two lurky players (which isn't an unreasonable assumption); then that leaves the last mafia in slam, palmar, and hts; and an sk somewhere.
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Though I guess it could just be because the vote analysis doesn't really apply to finding an SK, I found it interesting that he drops FF, then picks him back up again.
Other than that I just see him accusing LS and HtS of WIFOM TMI in regards to the SK without actually calling them the SK.
Then of course there's this feeling that he's not playing like he would as either alignment, but I don't know him well enough to make that judgment call, even if I go diving through his games for the next hour and a half.
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On February 22 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 12:11 rsoultin wrote:
I think LS is still the lynch?
That's a huge case LS ^^;;
I remember agreeing with some of it and not understanding most of it. Is there any way you could condense it into a point with a single sentence for each thing you're scumreading him for? A. He claimed Red which is a power role in this game but in normal games that isn't this game or Carol Mafia is Red B.He contradicts himself a lot this game espcally about Rayn first calling him Green (VT or Miller) then went on to calling Rayn Mafia but wouldn't lynch him top scumread in Rayn due to Rayn's reputation. C. Asking pointless questions a ton. D. His read progression isn't clear for someone who is a Vet in TL Mafia. E. Voted without explaining until much later kind of reminds me on how Cele did that from Unvoting me to Voting JarJar in Newbie LX when Cele was Mafia. F. Attacking KSC and BH on small things they said and shit.
Thanks for making this easier, LS <3
A. Okay...soft-claiming could be something.
B. I actually agree that strong town players shouldn't be lynched Day 1, to be honest. I don't think that's an unusual sentiment.
C. This. There were many posts that led nowhere.
D. Mmm, I see your examples. It's not enough to lynch him by itself, cause not everyone is clear on their reads even as town, but I can see it as a supporting point with other scummy things about him.
E. That was the last lynch of the game? JarJar's mislynch one mafia the game. I'd actually think that scum would want to be clear on why they were placing their votes just so it doesn't kick them in the butt later, but that's WIFOM.
F. Agree on this. It generally irritates me, actually, when people start sniping instead of reading a player as a whole.
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EBWOP:
homonyms, the mislynch won mafia the game -_-
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You know what? yolo
FF is oddly opposed to an SK lynch when we're at the point that 2 KPs every night is way more likely to hurt town than help. He also was definitely scumreading Damdred night 2, because he specifically took offense to me having him as a scumlean (solely based on the thought that he could be SK) and Damdred just as null.
##unvote
##vote: FF
Plus he's not talking to me ;o;
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I'll switch back to prplhz if I can't get enough votes, but I think this is where the lynch should go.
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On February 22 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote:On February 22 2015 12:11 rsoultin wrote:
I think LS is still the lynch?
That's a huge case LS ^^;;
I remember agreeing with some of it and not understanding most of it. Is there any way you could condense it into a point with a single sentence for each thing you're scumreading him for? A. He claimed Red which is a power role in this game but in normal games that isn't this game or Carol Mafia is Red B.He contradicts himself a lot this game espcally about Rayn first calling him Green (VT or Miller) then went on to calling Rayn Mafia but wouldn't lynch him top scumread in Rayn due to Rayn's reputation. C. Asking pointless questions a ton. D. His read progression isn't clear for someone who is a Vet in TL Mafia. E. Voted without explaining until much later kind of reminds me on how Cele did that from Unvoting me to Voting JarJar in Newbie LX when Cele was Mafia. F. Attacking KSC and BH on small things they said and shit. Thanks for making this easier, LS <3 A. Okay...soft-claiming could be something. B. I actually agree that strong town players shouldn't be lynched Day 1, to be honest. I don't think that's an unusual sentiment. C. This. There were many posts that led nowhere. D. Mmm, I see your examples. It's not enough to lynch him by itself, cause not everyone is clear on their reads even as town, but I can see it as a supporting point with other scummy things about him. E. That was the last lynch of the game? JarJar's mislynch one mafia the game. I'd actually think that scum would want to be clear on why they were placing their votes just so it doesn't kick them in the butt later, but that's WIFOM. F. Agree on this. It generally irritates me, actually, when people start sniping instead of reading a player as a whole.
I was talking Day 1 in Newbie LX when Cele did a unexplained vote change then made that giant post on why he changed and stuff. His explanation for his vote on BH was 7 hours after he voted him and unvoted him which is a really long to keep a question mark on why you voting someone like you should explain your reason for voting someone not leave it without a explanation for long period of time. Also don't Yolo that will get me lynched my lady T_T
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On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
WIFOM ALERT:
I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me.
FF has an 18-page filter this game. I repeat, 18-page filter. Usually we have to beg him to play lol ><
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A) yea people who claim mafia are often mafia eg. rayn in this game.
B) yes lets lynch the people who thought rayn was town then scum, no wait that's everybody in this entire game.
C) no pointless questions. please provide one single example of this and i will lie down and get lynched.
D) no idea what you're trying to say.
E) okay i remind you of someone, whatever. i'm usually lazy like this and hope someone else will explain things so i don't have to.
F) well that's just how i play. some people like text walls but i don't, i look for single things that make me think people are scum because even scum are usually only scummy in a few posts.
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On February 22 2015 12:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:On February 22 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote:On February 22 2015 12:11 rsoultin wrote:
I think LS is still the lynch?
That's a huge case LS ^^;;
I remember agreeing with some of it and not understanding most of it. Is there any way you could condense it into a point with a single sentence for each thing you're scumreading him for? A. He claimed Red which is a power role in this game but in normal games that isn't this game or Carol Mafia is Red B.He contradicts himself a lot this game espcally about Rayn first calling him Green (VT or Miller) then went on to calling Rayn Mafia but wouldn't lynch him top scumread in Rayn due to Rayn's reputation. C. Asking pointless questions a ton. D. His read progression isn't clear for someone who is a Vet in TL Mafia. E. Voted without explaining until much later kind of reminds me on how Cele did that from Unvoting me to Voting JarJar in Newbie LX when Cele was Mafia. F. Attacking KSC and BH on small things they said and shit. Thanks for making this easier, LS <3 A. Okay...soft-claiming could be something. B. I actually agree that strong town players shouldn't be lynched Day 1, to be honest. I don't think that's an unusual sentiment. C. This. There were many posts that led nowhere. D. Mmm, I see your examples. It's not enough to lynch him by itself, cause not everyone is clear on their reads even as town, but I can see it as a supporting point with other scummy things about him. E. That was the last lynch of the game? JarJar's mislynch one mafia the game. I'd actually think that scum would want to be clear on why they were placing their votes just so it doesn't kick them in the butt later, but that's WIFOM. F. Agree on this. It generally irritates me, actually, when people start sniping instead of reading a player as a whole. I was talking Day 1 in Newbie LX when Cele did a unexplained vote change then made that giant post on why he changed and stuff. His explanation for his vote on BH was 7 hours after he voted him and unvoted him which is a really long to keep a question mark on why you voting someone like you should explain your reason for voting someone not leave it without a explanation for long period of time. Also don't Yolo that will get me lynched my lady T_T
I'll move back to save you if it comes to that, no worries, but I think FF is the SK, and VA doesn't want to lynch prplhz. I've already demonstrated how lynching the SK would put town in a stronger position.
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haha that's not even what happened here i never explained why i moved from BH because it was obvious that i just didn't think the claim looked scum. rayn explained later why it didn't look scum and the entire thread agreed. now you're complaining that i did a thing everybody thinks is town and i didn't explain it and that makes me scum. seriously.
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i can believe people are voting me for lack of activity but i can't believe anyone is voting me for LS' case
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On February 22 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
A) yea people who claim mafia are often mafia eg. rayn in this game.
B) yes lets lynch the people who thought rayn was town then scum, no wait that's everybody in this entire game.
C) no pointless questions. please provide one single example of this and i will lie down and get lynched.
D) no idea what you're trying to say.
E) okay i remind you of someone, whatever. i'm usually lazy like this and hope someone else will explain things so i don't have to.
F) well that's just how i play. some people like text walls but i don't, i look for single things that make me think people are scum because even scum are usually only scummy in a few posts.
On February 14 2015 21:56 prplhz wrote:is this sarcasm?
On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you: On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:
It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default. On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol. While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier. Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other. The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc. This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However: I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere I couldn't convince anyone to follow me Half the players thought I was mafia. I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched. So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG. Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG. Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill. any questions? i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over?
On February 19 2015 06:26 prplhz wrote:
any particular reason everybody is ignoring everything i say?
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On February 21 2015 14:49 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2015 14:36 rsoultin wrote:
I apologize, VA. You're right. prplhz actually was voting Breshke at a time where he could have easily become the main wagon, because TP hadn't CCd BH yet. Dumb move for scum.
Well, now back to the question of whether or not we should be looking for the SK in particular. He could shoot scum, but if he shoots town we're in trouble. Is this making sense to anyone else, or am I just sleep-deprived? If we look specifically for the SK and lynch town today we are basically handing mafia the game. In 4/3/1 an SK lynch wins for mafia and since mafia only needs 2 townies on the wagon where town needs all 4 or 3+SK on a mafia wagon to get majority. Basically if the SK doesn't shoot mafia they are in the worst position I can imagine
This point is very true, though, lol. Meh. I really don't think FF is scum. I'd feel way more confident pushing a lynch on him if I could make an argument both ways, but my feel is he's SK or town...just have never seen him this excited about playing town. Or playing at all, really.
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On February 22 2015 12:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2015 12:45 prplhz wrote:
A) yea people who claim mafia are often mafia eg. rayn in this game.
B) yes lets lynch the people who thought rayn was town then scum, no wait that's everybody in this entire game.
C) no pointless questions. please provide one single example of this and i will lie down and get lynched.
D) no idea what you're trying to say.
E) okay i remind you of someone, whatever. i'm usually lazy like this and hope someone else will explain things so i don't have to.
F) well that's just how i play. some people like text walls but i don't, i look for single things that make me think people are scum because even scum are usually only scummy in a few posts. Show nested quote +On February 14 2015 21:56 prplhz wrote:On February 14 2015 16:15 liancourt wrote:
Loving this town atm. is this sarcasm? Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote:On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you: On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:
It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default. On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol. While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier. Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other. The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc. This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However: I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere I couldn't convince anyone to follow me Half the players thought I was mafia. I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched. So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG. Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG. Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill. any questions? i have a question are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over? Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 06:26 prplhz wrote:
any particular reason everybody is ignoring everything i say?
as you failed i will not be lying down.
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this is a double townie lynch btw, it's saturday and no one is around.
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Blazinghand
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are we really not lynching LS?
also superbia could easily be SK, but we're not lynching him today anyways. universally non-mafia read, not universally townread
On February 22 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
WIFOM ALERT:
I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me. FF has an 18-page filter this game. I repeat, 18-page filter. Usually we have to beg him to play lol ><
words, words, words
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HtS; talk to me. You're the only other one who thinks LS is town.
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