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On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you 
Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread?
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9 page Trfel interacting with the thread and not making large list posts of fluff (ever since the start at least) make me pretty confident in town!Trfel Dammy whammy.
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On February 02 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread?
I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread.
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On February 02 2015 04:41 Damdred wrote:
Trfel sudden posting leaves me feeling a sense of weirdness and spine tingly feelings
Sudden posting?
I've been writing that post for quite some time. You have made the argument that Eden1892 is scum. Therefore, I was making the argument that he is town and seeing how its validity compared. I decided that your argument was better.
What is the problem here?
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On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. Show nested quote +While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. Show nested quote +The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations.
Truffle, your analysis...
It's kinda icky.
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On February 02 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:41 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:
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I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
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What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere. Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two. Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird.
What are you talking about?
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On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread? I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread.
Just a second ago. The post she just made. I feel like I wasted precious seconds of my life reading it.
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On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations. Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky.
Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it.
What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did?
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On February 02 2015 04:45 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:41 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:
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Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere. Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two. Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird. What are you talking about?
When marv said palmars meta makes him very likely mafia and eden defended him saying he was town because he did something that was nothing like his town game.
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This is tough. Using my knowledge of his super town play in Hammertime, I'm more inclined to scumread him on this play, but given his ranting in that game, I can understand him wanting to tone it down. Since we don't know whether it could be a cover, it is why I was treating his rant as NAI.
I'm still feeling worse about Robik, but another angle looking at Eden is whether he could give his one good point for the day (like that SL read, I mean a lot of people at that time were scumreading SL) and figured that if he was just good enough to not get lynched, he could afk.
His scum play in NYE party mafia was just that. He wasn't townie, but did just enough or convinced just enough to not get lynched.
I had recapped the point on Eden how after the point on SL it was a point on defending Rasputin in the face of 3 of us questioning her but a scum Eden would have perfect information such that he could do that without suspicion.
On February 02 2015 00:54 Half the Sky wrote:
The key points I'm gleaning from Eden's filter (from the large posts):
1 The meta claim issue with SL, which he pushed on. (page 2-3 of his filter)
2 Comments on Rasputin after her questioning of Damdred on read progression
3 Defending Palmar based on Hammertime
4 Recapping SL's post
1 and 2 seemed like thought out concepts but afterwards I see what you mean Damdred...
But on account of #3, I feel Palmar can troll as either alignment, and I don't like Robik's claim.
I can see why Eden would be a good lynch for today. I was going to filter dive Robik before leaving but let me look at both those two now.
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On February 02 2015 04:45 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:42 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:35 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 00:46 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF? I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then Your most recent post on him? I'll highlight the discrepancy for you Alright I can believe that. What do you think of HtS' reentrance into the thread? I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread. Just a second ago. The post she just made. I feel like I wasted precious seconds of my life reading it.
Yeh i read the rehash of the thread and it really just said nothing :/
Forgettable hts is mafia 
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On February 02 2015 04:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations. Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky. Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it. What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did?
The problem is that it seems you're going for this semi defense thing where you bring up reasons for him to be town and frame it in a town perspective.
The problem with seeing you as scum for it is that you end up voting for Eden anyway and that you're not actually accomplishing any scum objectives with it should you be scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to post it as scum.
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But between those two, if I had to decide this VERY second, I'd say Robik. If something jumps out at me specifically from the tilers I'll post here.
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On February 02 2015 04:45 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:44 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:37 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote:
Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best. While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment. Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up. The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit. Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations. Truffle, your analysis... It's kinda icky. Hrmph. Seems like no one likes it. What I don't understand is why everyone is picking my analysis, while I arrived at the same conclusion that they did?
Some of your analysis is a bit weird i'm going to admit. The first part is probably more null than anything as a true towny would love to get killed N1 because it means they did there job...or they were so bad had to claim blue and theres no pride in that, overall eden is a decent town player and has good thoughts which are not seen in his filter.
Your sl part is ok, eden drops it really fast though which is the lack of follow up i'm talking about.
Some other things are ok in your analysis, but I can't see how eden is doing what ehs doing as town.
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On February 02 2015 04:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:45 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:42 Holyflare wrote:On February 02 2015 04:41 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:39 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:34 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:
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I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options;
1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard.
2. The current leading wagons are also town.
3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum. Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo. Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game. I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit. Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1? Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere. Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two. Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird. What are you talking about? When marv said palmars meta makes him very likely mafia and eden defended him saying he was town because he did something that was nothing like his town game.
Oh yeah I saw that I think. Not sure what to think of it.
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Well whatever superbowl and shit, going to afk so you guys better not switch.
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Oh and to confirm my alignment I'm going to claim Artanis.
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On February 02 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
I don't remember anything she's done since the first time she entered the thread.
Odd of you to say this considering we both pushed Rasputin together yesterday...
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I KNEW IT! It was the rule of chez that got me.
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I see the imposter is here again.
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