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On February 02 2015 04:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad  Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:
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I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. Another thing to consider is that marv voting on you is rather new to the thread and i'm trying to push eden through since then.
The idea has been softly pushed already though by Fecalfeast and HTS who have both voiced suspicions. There seemed to be willingness to start the wagon.
Also I'm a terrible Chezinu. I'm breaking character until the lynch I guess.
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On February 02 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote:
cut off to soon, i'm nto sure how eden has put a ton of effort intot he game not much real thoughts besides sheeping and dropping stuff instantly
I'm going to ignore these questions. Let me finish looking into it and then we can talk about it.
I'm sorry that I am slow. I can't help it, unless you want my read accuracy to be even lower.
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Here's what I'm working with:
1. Marv is town because marv has rolled scum 3 games in a row or something and he's never going to try as hard as he has here.
2. Marv suspects me and marv is a smart player.
3. Marv's towngame is one of the if not the most respected game of people currently active.
4. Multiple people (FF, HTS) have already indicated a suspicion of me.
5. Marv votes me, it's unlikely that given the character I'm playing there'll be a good defense. No one would be blamed of a mislynch on me.
6. No one joins.
Why?
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If we go down this line of t hought there are two distinct possibilities.
Mafia is not active in the thread when it was going on as you indicated earlier or mafia want to keep you around for a mislynch later as they think you can't clear yourself through play. If we assume you are town and marv is town anyway
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On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:41 rsoultin wrote:
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Chezzy, your insta!meta-quotes and vote on Palmar caught Marv's attention after having to explain FF's play to you, and I'm inclined to think it's weird how quick they came, too. How do you know Palmar and not FF? I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
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On February 02 2015 04:21 Damdred wrote:
If we go down this line of t hought there are two distinct possibilities.
Mafia is not active in the thread when it was going on as you indicated earlier or mafia want to keep you around for a mislynch later as they think you can't clear yourself through play. If we assume you are town and marv is town anyway
You forgot the option where mafia don't care because all wagons are town. That's the one that worries me a little.
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On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
So do all who live to make such cases, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to do is decide what to do with the votes given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Damdred, besides the forces of the mafia.
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I still feel like the mafia thread presence is low. I can't explain it. But that's what I think.
Unless of course it's Holyflare or a serious marvellosity....... but please please please let that not be true.
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On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:
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I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember. How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia.
These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime.
I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open.
I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
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On February 02 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote:
I still feel like the mafia thread presence is low. I can't explain it. But that's what I think.
Unless of course it's Holyflare or a serious marvellosity....... but please please please let that not be true.
The chances that Marv is scum this game are extremely low.
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Damdred is town because he claimed blue. Not sure if you saw that. I am confidently townreading marvellosity, though there is still a very small chance he is scum (and unless something happens to make me doubt him, I think that chance is so small I am willing to forfeit the game in that case).
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On February 02 2015 04:26 Chezitwo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2015 04:23 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 04:12 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 04:07 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 04:04 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote:
I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me? I read it and I read Eden's filter. I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him. On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:On February 02 2015 03:42 rsoultin wrote:Okay, damdy. Switching to Eden. Still want your response, Chez. I was townreading you. You're making me sad Why does my self vote make you think I am not? On February 02 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
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How long have you been playing on this site, Chez? Since the dawn of time. Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo. Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments? How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players? I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time. I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline? What do you think of me? Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort. Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate. I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town. I'm not sure what to think. I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are? So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now? The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia. These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open. I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
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HF I thought you were ok with eden what changed your mind?
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On February 02 2015 04:30 Trfel wrote:
Damdred is town because he claimed blue. Not sure if you saw that. I am confidently townreading marvellosity, though there is still a very small chance he is scum (and unless something happens to make me doubt him, I think that chance is so small I am willing to forfeit the game in that case).
Didn't see it. Named VT?
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On February 02 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
Voting eden
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Damdred, does this make you comfortable at all? He's been saying all night that we may be right but he didn't see it, and now he's just sheeping.
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On February 02 2015 04:31 Damdred wrote:
HF I thought you were ok with eden what changed your mind?
Ummmmmmmm is that really a question?
Player hf says eden looked ok at cursory glance from responses in live play
Player ff says he's just sheeping sentiment
Player damd makes case
Player hf reads filter confirms things and votes eden
Profit?
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Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. Another option is that he wants to be a bad scum so he dies and doesn't have to keep playing scum, but that isn't the impression that I get from his filter.
One thing to the contrary is that he stopped complaining about this in the Hammertime Mafia obs qt, which Artanis named Eden's Hammertime obs rant corner because he was upset about getting killed on night 1. Eden1892 didn't do much ranting about it then. Why would he rant now? I can definitely see it coming from a town!Eden1892, but it does seem a bit strange.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
On February 01 2015 14:55 Eden1892 wrote:
WAIT no nevermind hes blue lol
This is a terrible post. His progression is "Did Damdred really just claim blue with zero votes" -> "Kill Damdred" -> "Never mind Damdred is blue".
Eden1892 also said that he isn't coming back for End of Day. He will get back just in time to see the lynch. So we aren't going to get any help there.
I guess I'm fine with voting Eden1892. The inconsistencies in his play can be explained, but there are more of them than I would like to see. And those aren't things that he is intentionally doing to not get killed on Night 1.
Really hoping that he is able to check on the thread and give some thoughts.
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On February 02 2015 04:32 rsoultin wrote:>< Damdred, does this make you comfortable at all? He's been saying all night that we may be right but he didn't see it, and now he's just sheeping.
Quotes please since this never happened
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