On February 02 2015 04:30 Trfel wrote: Damdred is town because he claimed blue. Not sure if you saw that. I am confidently townreading marvellosity, though there is still a very small chance he is scum (and unless something happens to make me doubt him, I think that chance is so small I am willing to forfeit the game in that case).
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote: [quote] Why does my self vote make you think I am not? [quote] Since the dawn of time.
Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo.
Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments?
How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players?
I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia.
These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open.
I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit.
What the heck. Let's start investigating Holyflare today. A lot of people have voiced suspicions of him for various things, that makes it worth a look.
Since a Robik lynch doesn't seem to have the support, I guess Eden1892 is probably the best vote.
On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote: Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF?
I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then
I'm back in thread. Will be here through deadline.
First thoughts on the whole Eden thing, I believe we might have something. Eden sometime back said that Palmar had to be town based on his behaviour in Hammertime. I disagreed with this since Palmar maintained that he had no meta and he could troll as either alignment. Yet he was willing to townread Palmar based on the same behaviour.
Granted, Eden himself is trolling, but started posting stuff, the quality of his posts I know is up for debate.
As for Palmar, Marv for one suspected Palmar, and I think Chez did post a quote from a game from last year.
I realise neither of them have flipped but it's something to further think about.
On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote: Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk. Another option is that he wants to be a bad scum so he dies and doesn't have to keep playing scum, but that isn't the impression that I get from his filter.
One thing to the contrary is that he stopped complaining about this in the Hammertime Mafia obs qt, which Artanis named Eden's Hammertime obs rant corner because he was upset about getting killed on night 1. Eden1892 didn't do much ranting about it then. Why would he rant now? I can definitely see it coming from a town!Eden1892, but it does seem a bit strange.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
On February 01 2015 14:55 Eden1892 wrote: WAIT no nevermind hes blue lol
This is a terrible post. His progression is "Did Damdred really just claim blue with zero votes" -> "Kill Damdred" -> "Never mind Damdred is blue".
Eden1892 also said that he isn't coming back for End of Day. He will get back just in time to see the lynch. So we aren't going to get any help there.
I guess I'm fine with voting Eden1892. The inconsistencies in his play can be explained, but there are more of them than I would like to see. And those aren't things that he is intentionally doing to not get killed on Night 1.
Really hoping that he is able to check on the thread and give some thoughts.
This post is kinda weird i'm not sure how I feel about it
On February 01 2015 18:01 Holyflare wrote: Like the ls point if it's true but far far too tired to fact check any of it, eden point might be worth checking into as well since i thought i was on same wavelength as him but might be what you say instead.
On February 01 2015 18:01 Holyflare wrote: Like the ls point if it's true but far far too tired to fact check any of it, eden point might be worth checking into as well since i thought i was on same wavelength as him but might be what you say instead.
On February 02 2015 04:33 Trfel wrote: Here's my analysis of the Eden1892 case.
First, I will give Eden1892 a slight town lean for all of the not wanting to get killed on Night 1 stuff. It just seems like a really weird play as scum. He's already shown that he can play a fine scum game, so why would he do all this talk about playing badly to avoid getting killed Night 1 if he was scum? It's just adding an unnecessary risk.
I disagree. It's something he's clearly been thinking about outside of the game, so it's easy to bring out during the game. Non alignment indicative at best.
While he says that he is going to play poorly to not get killed on Night 1, he also shows signs of reading the thread and thinking about it. See his comment on Holyflare's joke case on Damdred, see his questioning of sicklucker on his "my meta says" comment.
Could you quote these? We have limited time and if you know where they are that'd speed this up.
The next major thing is his progression on his sicklucker read. He starts by questioning sicklucker's "my meta says" statement, which is a good pressure. Then he says that he is willing to vote sicklucker for not answering the question, and then says that sicklucker actually did answer it. I reread that section twice and I didn't see sicklucker's answer in between these posts (though I guess I could have missed it......). I'm assuming that Eden1892 realized that sicklucker actually did NOT answer this question, and that is why he was willing to follow Holyflare and vote sicklucker to help add pressure. Therefore, I can accept Eden1892's explanation, though the inconsistency that Holyflare brought up still has some merit.
Is this the same point you've mentioned before? Because when I went through Eden's filter I saw very little actual digging and more observations.
On February 02 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote: Also, I'm not really liking Eden this game on a gut level that I'd have to iron out, but why do people want him as a lynch over all the other possible lynches today?
Damdred, can you answer that? HF?
I don't but i haven't read him yet other than in real time and he seemed ok then
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote: [quote]
Your self-vote doesn't seem like a mafia play, but it's not a good town play either if you're town, imo.
Well, gonna have to let the vets sort out the veracity of your claims on Palmar and FF. I've actually liked your play so far, so this and the long absence were really the only questionmarks. Do you have the time to catch up some and give us updated reads/comments?
How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players?
I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia.
These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open.
I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit.
Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1?
Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere.
On January 31 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: super serious time
On January 31 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote: Voting damdred is good especially when i'm motivated to do things.
I feel good this game and will be happy to play town.
But yea the other blue named role should probably claim with robik if there is one.
trying to get blues to claim
On January 31 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: Well I guess finding out the setup isn't that important. But anyway
but then says setup isn't important
On January 31 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I am having to go to work for a bit I should be able to make it back for voice in a bit though.
Also people put way to much emphasis on blue play, and if they are claiming named VT or the blue VT it helps narrow down the setup for everyone which scum already knows anyway meh.
still talks about setup and repeats the same thing
On January 31 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Scum will know the setup PARTIALLY by know there own makeup, and when robik claimed they were able to figure out and if edens claim is true they pretty much know it at this point.
explains the same thing AGAIN
On January 31 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Oh my god let me explain the setup talk
A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros
If scum has a godfather setup (A and D) and has two distros claim the setup is known that it has to be D. If they dont' have a godfather they know its between B and C. And if more than one distro claims it really doesn't matter just the doc or cop know what the setup is just as likely as the scum does at that point.
So yea even when you take in the next part you can rule out setup A for sure. Etc., just logically
AND AGAIN!!! :O
On January 31 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Of course I always lynch mafia or at least give good thoughts when I can!
then he lies right to my face!
bro is totally mafia cz role fishing and over explanation after he said it wasn't important at all
##vote damdred
Wat. Setup spec isn't role fishing bruh. I didn't think he was actually role fishing
On January 31 2015 06:53 Holyflare wrote: super serious time
On January 31 2015 06:05 Damdred wrote: Voting damdred is good especially when i'm motivated to do things.
I feel good this game and will be happy to play town.
But yea the other blue named role should probably claim with robik if there is one.
trying to get blues to claim
On January 31 2015 06:07 Damdred wrote: Well I guess finding out the setup isn't that important. But anyway
but then says setup isn't important
On January 31 2015 06:14 Damdred wrote: I am having to go to work for a bit I should be able to make it back for voice in a bit though.
Also people put way to much emphasis on blue play, and if they are claiming named VT or the blue VT it helps narrow down the setup for everyone which scum already knows anyway meh.
still talks about setup and repeats the same thing
On January 31 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Scum will know the setup PARTIALLY by know there own makeup, and when robik claimed they were able to figure out and if edens claim is true they pretty much know it at this point.
explains the same thing AGAIN
On January 31 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Oh my god let me explain the setup talk
A) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 1 tar, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros B) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 tar, 8 Linux Distros C) 2 That One Programs, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 Favored Distro, 1 | grep, 8 Linux Distros D) 1 That One Program, 1 Proprietary, Intermittently-Functional Driver, 1 OS X, 2 Favored Distros, 8 Linux Distros
If scum has a godfather setup (A and D) and has two distros claim the setup is known that it has to be D. If they dont' have a godfather they know its between B and C. And if more than one distro claims it really doesn't matter just the doc or cop know what the setup is just as likely as the scum does at that point.
So yea even when you take in the next part you can rule out setup A for sure. Etc., just logically
AND AGAIN!!! :O
On January 31 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Of course I always lynch mafia or at least give good thoughts when I can!
then he lies right to my face!
bro is totally mafia cz role fishing and over explanation after he said it wasn't important at all
##vote damdred
Wat. Setup spec isn't role fishing bruh. I didn't think he was actually role fishing
he totally fished for roles until i said not to and then went onto setup speculation after saying it was bad and then continued to talk about it after saying it was bad
vote him
I have no idea why you think this makes sense, so I'm gonna shitpost with this hilarious Vine instead of responding.
I think these are the only ones about hf case onme?
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On February 02 2015 03:56 Chezitwo wrote: [quote] How can those who are veterans assert whether these claims are correct when they do not even know who I am, let alone grasp how I might view both these players?
I will be present until deadline. I'm not sure if catching up or trying to participate in current conversation is a better use of my time.
I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia.
These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open.
I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit.
Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1?
Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere.
Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two.
On February 02 2015 03:53 Damdred wrote: I really want people to read my case read Edens filter.
I keep going back and Trfel whats so good about the pressure does it go anywhere? Is there any true conclusion about SL from it? does SL reasoning make sense for how it was dropped and eden just moved on to me?
I read it and I read Eden's filter.
I don't feel like he has been trying to find the poorly functioning programs between the distro's. He has been throwing up firewalls in front of himself and others, but he does not scan for malware. I am willing to uninstall him.
On February 02 2015 04:00 Trfel wrote: [quote] I don't think you are among the top lynch candidates at the moment. I would prefer if you spend maybe an hour or so catching up, and then discuss closer to the deadline?
What do you think of me?
Your playstyle makes it difficult. But I get the feeling that you are reading the game and putting some effort.
Mostly, I feel that an extra day to read you would make the read far, far, far more accurate.
I find it weird that marv disagrees, yet his idea does not gain any traction. I am a potentially easy mislynch that no one will blame anyone for, yet no one pushes it through. If I weren't me I'd suspect me being mafia for it. Since I have unique information that this isn't the case, there are a few options; 1. Mafia is afraid of pushing me because I'm a wildcard. 2. The current leading wagons are also town. 3. Mafia has no thread presence/all current players discussing are town.
I'm not sure what to think.
I'd disregard #1, if only because I don't think anyone knows who you are?
So the real question is if all the wagons are town, who is scum? Or is scum just not here right now?
The wildcard means they might not want to take the risk. There's also this thing called the Chezinu rule that states the first person to call Chezinu mafia that hasn't played with him before is always mafia.
These people have posted since Marv voted on me but before I came back: rsoultin, Trfel, HolyFlare, Damdred, Palmar. LS also ninja voted in the meantime. I already townread Trfel and LS before. Damdred seems clearly town from how he's aggressively pushing things. rsoultin seems kinda town as well, leaving HF and Palmar open.
I guess it's definitely possible everyone that's been there is town. It'd help a lot in exonerating a town Palmar if Eden flipped scum.
Hm. I'm inclined to think marv is town, too, just by how he's been interacting with me. (Both when he suspected me and just now.) HF's response to the suspicion was basically "hey, I was thinking that, too" yet I don't recall seeing anything further from him. That's probably the most suspicious reaction in-thread imo.
Palmar I can't read. Trolling. I'd be happy to lynch him just so I don't have to think about him anymore, but the Eden case is decent and lines up with what I've been feeling about Eden all game.
I think scum Palmar would've plopped his vote on a townie if Eden were scum. He doesn't seem to give a shit, so mind as well promote a mafia agenda whilst not giving a shit.
Mmm...bah lol. Can I just say right now that I absolutely hate Day 1?
Okay, so either Palmar is town and Eden's alignment doesn't matter or Palmar is scum and Eden is probably town. This isn't getting me anywhere.
Switching it on its head, Palmar is more likely to be town if Eden flips scum. Eden is the scummier of the two.
Yes, the weird meta thing about how palmar is town is still weird.
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