[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia - Page 5

On March 04 2015 02:03 kitaman27 wrote:


I've read your explanation about why koshi should be 100% town to your mom a couple times, but I don't fully understand why you're saying he should be so confident about this.

mafia hts + mafia koshi implying mafia isn't doing anything doesn't seem like enough to make koshi confirmed town from his perspective.

I suppose you can make the pre-flip association analysis for why mafia rayn and mafia koshi doesn't make sense from his perspective, but him not mentioning koshi in less than a page filter in a game with 25 of players doesn't seem completely out of the question like you suggest.

Is there more that I'm missing that makes you go from your mom being suspicious to your mom being 100% scum?

On March 03 2015 19:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Me explaining or not explaining my read on you or hts is irrelevant. Mainly because i don't give any fucks about explaining my read on hts as i don't read her scum any more. I don't want either of you shot, i want Koshi shot. Therefore i don't talk about things i don't want to talk about.

Your read is forced because of several reasons:
1) you take a small portion of my posts and make a conclusion the rest of my filter contradicts with
2) you claim you know me well, then you should know i explain my reads when i want to and me calling people mafia without explaining it straight away is never going to be a scumtell for me, in fact it is a towntell because (as you know -- as you know me well as you state) a big portion of my play relies on making comments that are intended to make people think and one of the best ways for me to gather reads is to make those statements and see which people actually agree/disagree with me and what their reasons are. Like it's literally the best way for me to gather reads -- especially townreads -- and that is a known fact for anyone who has ever played a game where i have been town in. Yet somehow you don't seem to know that, despite "knowing me so well".
3) you are still trying to argue in favor of your read and everything you bring up is either irrelevant or i have already proved it wrong.

On March 03 2015 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i am making this very simple.
post 1 rayn: "here are some people i think are mafia, X, Y, Z and W."
post 2 rayn: "X is definitely mafia we should kill him"
post 3 your mom: "rayn is mafia because he leaves a door open for having many suspects"

clearly my post #2 here proves your case is wrong. It LITERALLY does so. Now if you had made your case before i made my post #2 your case could be valid. But this is not the case here. The case here is you are ignoring the rest of my posting. It means that you are:
1) misconstruing something i said to look like it's something i didn't in fact do (as i have proven since)
2) not reading the thread properly, not thinking about why i say the stuff i do, and making a half-arsed case onto something that could be seen as inherently scummy

both of those are scum traits.

On March 03 2015 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record i wanna press the device to see what happens, now when if it's a bad thing it doesn't fucking kill us outright.
sandroba suggesting this:

is scummyscummyscum.....

The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately.

On March 04 2015 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:


I don't think he has to be that certain on either of the reads for you to put it as drastically as you did. I have reads that don't match up all the time and I'll still discuss them, mostly stating something along the lines of "so that's what I think, but here's the thing: Those two being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever so I'm wrong on one of those two but no idea which one yet" afterwards
(and people lynch me because that's apparently waffling)

On March 04 2015 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case people are too lazy or mafia. Now there is no way you can ignore this.

On March 04 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:

that's because I'm smarter than him

Don't get me wrong, I could get behind a your mom shot I just don't like people exagerating their reads and saying they're 100% certain on something. That's a lie, in 99% of the cases. Most times it's something townish because people want to look confident to get people on their side rather than being wishy-washy but I don't like it nontheless.

Look at it from my point of view, my last game I played was a game that HTS and I were both about confirmed town 24 hours in (72 hours), Palmar stopped playing and spammed away "lynch Toad, I am 100% certain he is mafia" and nothing else. In the end people gave in, mostly out of annoyance as well as an unfortunate timeschedule on my part because Dungeons&Dragons on the day the lynch happened so people were annoyed about me not posting. And I flipped town obviously.

And that's what I'm saying here. I don't think the chances are anywhere close to being 100% for it to be that way even if it sounds cool to say so. And as I'm saying that towards you the same could be said for him, he could be overselling his confidence while leaking out his true uncertainty about it when he's not paying attention. Still makes him look bad, just not 100% bad.

he could be overselling his confidence while leaking out his true uncertainty about it when he's not paying attention.

On March 04 2015 02:44 geript wrote:
Rayn. I'm going to be honest. I don't really get your your mom read. I think I'd rather shoot Koshi. Idk. I real hard time think right now. Not sure if I will shoot.

On March 04 2015 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP i misquoted the last post.
corrected:

On March 04 2015 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is why your mom is mafia.

His case on me. Read the conversation between us. Not only did i effectively debunk every single piece of his argument with actual reasoning i showed why his case is 100% a forced case that takes things out of context and/or does only account the things that pushes his agenda. Fuck i am really bad at finding the correct words and i am sorry for it but just read the argument between me and him. He literally made a case based on a couple of posts that are (1) towntells for me based on meta and (2) he ignored the rest of my filter which speaks directly against his case.

His case on HtS. Same thing here as above. HtS was asked to give a read on someone. She did, yet your mom somehow turns this into "you fabricated a read because you needed to give one". It is at least as likely that HtS gave the read as town because SHE WAS ASKED TO!! She answered a question "what do you think my alignment is". Why is it impossible this is the case here? That -- for a vet player -- should be at worst a null-tell.

Now those are his only scumreads in this game. Both are fake. So very fucking fake and badly reasoned.

On top of that he refuses to talk about Koshi at all.There is absolutely zero references to Koshi in his filter. Why is this scummy? Because Koshi should be 100% town for this guy. First of all there is no fucking way both Koshi and HtS are mafia in this game because that would mean mafia is not pushing anything, which is a no-go (note this was before the Breshke thing went up). Second, he scumreads we, and i was pushing a Koshi shot at that time. There is no way both of me and Koshi are mafia, so if he scumreads me as strongly as he implies to that should mean he 100% thinks Koshi is town.

Yet he makes no attempt to defend Koshi. Townies do not wanna shoot townies. Especially in this case every smart player defends all of their townreads whenever someone puts them up for being shot. Why? Because it gives mafia options. Read the next sentence carefully: If we have like 8 (or even 6) shot targets at the 24h mark, do you think there is any chance we are going to catch mafia in case mafia gets the shot? Right.

Yet your mom cannot even say "Koshi is town, because i think you are mafia, and HtS is mafia, neither of you is mafia with Koshi. Don't fucking shoot Koshi". That would be the natural thing to say as town, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO TELL THE OTHER TOWNIES NOT TO SHOOT TOWN!

Now i don't know if this is because he doesn't want to look bad if Koshi flips mafia, or if he actually wants Koshi shot and not tell people to shoot him as Koshi is a good player as town. But it doesn't matter, Koshi can be dealt with later on.

your mom is mafia and should be killed with a bullet asap!!!

On March 04 2015 02:48 Toadesstern wrote:

I'm not even sure I know what his case is he did on you. I think you're referring to that post when he quoted me and took a jab at you for not explaining all your reads except for one?

Just asking to be sure before going into more detail.

On March 03 2015 18:18 your mom wrote:


im quite jealous that you attribute hts being called out to rayn, cause he was the fourth in a series of three in which i think i was the first to point out the scummy posting. rayn basically just called her mafia without a given reason and then proceeded to do so with a lot of other people including me, diluting his committment to a mafia hts and giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular.

On March 04 2015 02:52 rsoultin wrote:
Okay I'll TLDR it for you then

- Rayn read shit cause meta points bad; didn't put it in context of filter
- HTS read shit cause scumming NAI post; didn't reevaluate/put it in context of rest of filter
- Should be townreading koshi if scumreading you and HTS

is that more or else it?

On March 04 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote:
Cause I didn't like his reads, either, but I'm not sure how this makes him scum? Couldn't he just be bad? There are a lot of bad players (myself included depending on the game).

On March 04 2015 02:58 geript wrote:
How is 1 different from epiphany though.

On March 04 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote:


rayn, talk to me about this post and how it fits in your narrative, pls

On March 04 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote:


I guess for me, and maybe this is just cause I'm looking at things too simply, if you're scum pushing a town (shot/lynch/whatever) that has some traction, why go out of your way to claim responsibility for it?

His stubbornness and reads are bad, but if I'm scum I'll just let others take the heat on the push I started. Maybe that's what makes me bad at scum though lol -flicks geript-

On March 04 2015 03:18 geript wrote:
I get what rso is saying. He's like trying to take credit for HtS. Which is weird if HtS is town and mom is scum.

On March 04 2015 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:

Nah...planning on shooting kurumi