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On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark.
My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos.
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On March 03 2015 11:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote:
Eh, I dunnae. Slam's play was kinda transparent, so people not really reacting negatively to it doesn't mean much imo.
I can also see geript being unwilling to trust a shot to someone else even as town. The fact of the matter, though, is even if the plan doesn't ultimately work because we can't actually force a shot on the person with the most votes, we still get more information out of it than a clusterfuck of yammering followed by a race to be the first to get a shot out at the 24 hour mark. My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos. No. I'm fine with Slam RNGing. Im not fine with an RNG shot in general. There's a big difference there.
Are you against my vote count idea?
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On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting.
But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town.
Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target.
What's your less stupid idea?
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On March 03 2015 11:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:36 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea? My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers.
I guess I could get behind this. Assuming that we lynch any non vote declared shooter. That way we have 24 more hours to talk.
I'm running off the assumption that at the deadline to be able to shoot, someone IS going to shoot. I'd rather us vote for someone to be shot, and shot at deadline by the consensus. It's really just like a normal lynch vote but only 24 hours long instead of 48. We would only lynch someone for the shooting if they shot someone outside of the consensus.
My only objection to electing a vigilante is that I feel we are just as likely to kill a townie anyway. I'm not sure which idea will offer more information though.
Currently, though I wouldn't shoot HtS. If Onegu doesn't do anything then I wouldn't object to you shooting him. But why not shoot Koshi? He seems fairly likely since he just blantantly said he can't be asked to do anything.
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On March 03 2015 12:04 geript wrote:
Which is the exact thing he did his last mafia game. That makes him uber likely to be mafia.
I remember you thinking HtS was town or maybe town. Mind explaining that in full detail.
Just feelings? But again I badly misread her in our newbie game you analysed (thank you again for that, I keep rereading it).
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On March 03 2015 12:10 geript wrote:
Any feelings you can explain in any reasonable way?
I feel like she was in there in the beginning just talking. I don't think anything was leading anywhere but I also don't have that expectation for the first 12 hours of the day though. I think she would have way more calculated and less posts, where these seem more conversational.
Plus, I feel queasy for people who get drilled right from the start. Seems it mostly happens to towns.
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I'll ##Vote: Koshi Also. I'm headed out for dinner and a skate. Be back later. I do like Epiphany's thoughts on the device.
Day 1 Shoot Vote Count
Half The Sky (2): Raynpelikoneet, Toadesstern
Koshi (4ish): Siclucker, Geript?, LightningStrike, Tubesock
Nominate a Vigilante:Geript
Not voted : Everyone else
As it currently stands, Koshi is slated to be Shot.
Countdown:
A loose device count:
Armed: Damdred, Fecalfeast, Rsoultin,Tubesock,Toadesstern
Guard: Sandroba, Keirathi, AT.Epiphany, Tubesock
Destroy: ----
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Had these in a tab if anyone cares. had to cut and paste so they're a little weird.
LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 18:55. Posts 4646 On March 03 2015 12:50 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote +Tons of people haven't really visited why does it matter kit especially?
Also why did you talk about being paranoid about Hts and wanting to call her scum but you quoted grript a town game instead of a scum game? Seems you want people to call her town He said he needed a town game of hers from recent times so I gave him her latest game like I can't read her anymore on Day 1 without her claiming Miller after watching her in Void and playing with her in Newbie LX when she rolled scum. I also noticed just multiple people haven't posted yet so idk they all Null because the fact they haven't posted yet. May I get your thoughts on HTS and rsoultin and maybe Robik?
LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 18:56. Posts 4646 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter On March 03 2015 12:54 geript wrote: Show nested quote +Meh. I haven't seen that at all. I kinda feel bad about calling him bad a bunch in palmers game. We shouldn't discuss any ongoing games bro lol.
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Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much.
Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him.
So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now.
##Shoot: Koshi
LightningStrike United States. March 02 2015 19:04. Posts 4646 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote #
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rsoultin what your thoughts so far in this game? Just curious.
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On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote:
So here's my scumread on Geript:
Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.
It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.
1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.
2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.
3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.
4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).
I think Geript is moving the thread forward and critically thinking. To me it's more towny to say my vote idea is stupid and point out holes in it. Wouldn't that freak you out if everyone just blindly said "great idea! Let's do it!!"? There is value in playing devils advocate. I do agree with you Epiphany that he is being a meanie face to you. Now, toughen up, he's an asshole, so what?
1) I took from his objection is that we vote for someone to do the shooting and it could happen well after the deadline to be able to shoot. There is value in extending the day past just 24 hours. He seems to believe the players here won't just yolo shoot someone. Personally, I think some town is going to yolo and shoot another town. Hence, my idea.
2) He explained that in a perfect world it is better to shoot 3P instead of mafia today. Which i think is true, you get rid of 2 non towns. Easier to PoE. He also said hunting 3P is the same as Mafia, so no real difference.
3) These are reads, and towns are supposed to give reads.
4) uhhhh he and like pretty much everyone else in the thread thinks that talking about the device is worthless at the moment.
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I'm ##unvoting Koshi due to his appearance. Probably going to sheep Rayn about Your Mom. More in a minute.
Day 1 Shoot Vote Count
Half The Sky (2): Raynpelikoneet, Toadesstern, your mom
Koshi (3): Siclucker, Geript, LightningStrike, Tubesock, Breshke
Geript: AT.Epiphany
Mocsta: Batsnacks
Breshke: Mocsta, Toadesstern
Your Mom:(3) Raynpelikoneet, Obiwanshinobi, Half The Sky
Nominate a Vigilante:Geript
Not voted : Everyone else
As it currently stands, Koshi is slated to be Shot.
Countdown:
A loose device count: (If someone says they PM'd the host I'll Underline)
Armed: Damdred, Fecalfeast, Rsoultin,Tubesock,Toadesstern
Guard: Sandroba, Keirathi, AT.Epiphany, Tubesock, Kitaman27
Destroy: Mocsta
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On March 04 2015 03:23 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2015 03:21 IAmRobik wrote:On March 04 2015 03:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think Robik is planning on shooting me.
Hrm. Nah...planning on shooting kurumi shut up he is not mafia. wrong
Isn't Chez supposed to be tough to read like Slam? How from his 2 posts did you get he's town?
Earlier you said you were working on figuring out the game. Any luck?
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So, you guys would rather not have any tracking of who people want to shoot? So, at the deadline then some random is just going to pull the trigger on another random?
At least my idea has some accountability to it. you guys just want to have mass chaos.
I just woke up and skimmed for what people think they should shoot. I'm rereading and will have more soon.
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On March 04 2015 03:32 geript wrote:
I'd still rather shoot Koshi. He's done fuck all this game.
Why Koshi over Robik or keirathi? Koshi hasn't done much of anything this game, but Robik and Keirathi have done even less.
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On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing.
Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.
Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).
Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.
Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.
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On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated") now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it?
I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet.
Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way.
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On March 04 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. This is probably a semantics point here but...can you please explain to me your Your Mom read in more detail? The way it reads right now is that you have no read on him.
I'm pretty lost on Your Mom.
Scum point due entirely by my sheep of Rayn's town conviction. Your Mom gets town point for interacting, and what I think is doing stuff and being at least somewhat helpful. I just can't shoot Your Mom today. But I can't argue against Rayn's case either.
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On March 04 2015 04:14 your mom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 04:00 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:51 your mom wrote:On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him. rayns arguments are that i scumread people off a few posts before looking at the entire game, and keep scumreading them for those posts (which is supposed to make the whole "fabricated") now point me to the part you find convincing please. rayn called me mafia on the get go so he couldnt have thought that i was mafia cause stubborn, since it was shortly after game start and before i went to bed. he called me mafia after i woke up today for reasons. but the first time he calls me mafia, do you see a reason for it? I didn't see a reason for him scumming you at first. But later he does, and lays them out. I read Rayn's case and thought that makes sense. I then reread your filter and the first few pages looking at you and skimming the rest, but then I don't see the scum. But I really think Rayn is town. So, I'm conflicted and unsure. It is why I'm not voting you just yet. Geript is doing stuff and interacting a lot. He grilled Epiphany (still even but more politely). He doesn't appear to be afraid to say anything and is pushing an agenda. There's some things he's done that seemed scummy (pushing for chaos with plan rejection and not pushing an alternative, pushing the ninja stuff) but that stuff is either outweighed by or explained by his other actions. It's definitely possible he's scum, but we can't shoot him today. No way. there are no votes today. scum would be dumb not to shoot and let the day end that way, the good ones will try their best to prepare their reasoning for the shot they are going to choose. in fact i find it scummy you didnt think about this, it gives me the impression youre disconnected from the game. in fact you play all the way like youre trying to not get your hands dirty, moving responsibility away from you etc.
I guess I just don't understand your reasoning here. If you mean that I'm going to only post the "counts" and not throw out any reads then yes, that is a reasonable reason to scum me. That to me would be keeping my hands clean, but I'm also putting out reads which I think moves responsibility back to me. I don't see how I'm skirting that.
good mafia preparing their best reasoning for a shot is going to happen whether or not we do a vote count. They do this for lynches, and the shot is going to be seen by everyone, no shooter can hide from it. Why is this relevant or an argument for or against deciding the shot victim by majority?
There's been a couple players saying they were going to shoot at deadline no matter what. I don't think my idea is insuring the shot goes at deadline any more than what they've already said even before I proposed this idea. I'm still not seeing anyone introducing a more town favored plan. The only objections were from people saying it's a naive idea.
Is there something that Rayn is doing that is scummy other than scumming you?
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My tinfoil hat says Your Mom is Palmar. I keep thinking about Palmar when I read his stuff. Mostly, fantastically early scumread on someone and sticking to it for years.
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Why is Keirathi town? How can you town him but scum koshi for doing the same thing? I don't understand.
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On March 04 2015 04:58 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - Tube, got the names mixed up. I was getting more townie vibes from Keirathi from the little he posted, but would like to see more before calling him town.
Do you not like the content in his filter or just the quantity of it?
Both. my notes say "not a single thing". But really he has one post where he calls out Rayn for not calling Toad mafia even though he beat around the bush about it. The rest is nothing nothing.
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